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Martine Rothblatt: My daughter, my wife, our robot, and the quest for immortality
Martina Rotblat (Martine Rothblatt): Moja ćerka, moja supruga, naš robot i potraga za besmrtnošću
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Osnivač satelitskog radija Sirijus XM, Martina Rotblat, sada vodi farmaceutsku kompaniju koja pravi lekove koji spašavaju živote od retkih bolesti (uključujući jedan lek koji je spasio život njene ćerke). U međuvremenu, radi na tome da svest žene koju voli sačuva u digitalnom obliku... i u robotu. U razgovoru na bini, sa Krisom Andersonom iz TEDa, Rotblatova deli s nama svoju snažnu priču o ljuibavi, identitetu, kreativnosti i beskonačnim mogućnostima.
Martine Rothblatt - Transhumanist
Whether she’s inventing satellite radio, developing life-saving drugs or digitizing the human mind, Martine Rothblatt has a knack for turning visionary ideas into commonplace technology. Full bio
Whether she’s inventing satellite radio, developing life-saving drugs or digitizing the human mind, Martine Rothblatt has a knack for turning visionary ideas into commonplace technology. Full bio
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00:12
Chris Anderson: So I guess
what we're going to do is
what we're going to do is
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Kris Anderson: Pretpostavljam
00:14
we're going to talk about your life,
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da ćemo pričati o tvom životu,
00:17
and using some pictures
that you shared with me.
that you shared with me.
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koristeći neke fotografije
koje si mi poslala.
koje si mi poslala.
00:20
And I think we should start
right here with this one.
right here with this one.
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Mislim da bi trebalo da počnemo ovom.
00:23
Okay, now who is this?
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U redu, ko je ovo?
00:26
Martine Rothblatt: This is me
with our oldest son Eli.
with our oldest son Eli.
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Martina Rotblat: To sam ja,
sa našim najstarijim sinom, Ilajem.
sa našim najstarijim sinom, Ilajem.
00:31
He was about age five.
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Imao je oko pet godina.
00:33
This is taken in Nigeria
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Ovo je snimljeno u Nigeriji
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right after having taken
the Washington, D.C. bar exam.
the Washington, D.C. bar exam.
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odmah posle polaganja pravosudnog ispita
u Vašingtonu.
u Vašingtonu.
00:39
CA: Okay. But this doesn't
really look like a Martine.
really look like a Martine.
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KA: OK, ali ovo baš i ne izgleda
kao Martina.
kao Martina.
00:44
MR: Right. That was myself as a male,
the way I was brought up.
the way I was brought up.
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MR: Tako je. Tada sam bila muško,
tako sam odrasla.
tako sam odrasla.
00:51
Before I transitioned from male
to female and Martin to Martine.
to female and Martin to Martine.
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Pre nego što sam prešla iz muškarca
u ženu, iz Martina u Martinu.
u ženu, iz Martina u Martinu.
00:55
CA: You were brought up Martin Rothblatt.
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KA: Odrasla si kao Martin Rotblat.
00:57
MR: Correct.
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MR: Tačno.
00:58
CA: And about a year after this picture,
you married a beautiful woman.
you married a beautiful woman.
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KA: I oko godinu dana posle ove slike
oženila si se jednom divnom ženom.
oženila si se jednom divnom ženom.
01:03
Was this love at first sight?
What happened there?
What happened there?
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Da li je to bila ljubav na prvi pogled?
Kako se to desilo?
Kako se to desilo?
01:05
MR: It was love at the first sight.
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MR: Bila je ljubav na prvi pogled.
01:07
I saw Bina at a discotheque
in Los Angeles,
in Los Angeles,
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Videla sam Binu u jednoj diskoteci
u Los Anđelesu,
u Los Anđelesu,
01:12
and we later began living together,
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kasnije smo počele da živimo zajedno,
01:15
but the moment I saw her,
I saw just an aura of energy around her.
I saw just an aura of energy around her.
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ali čim sam je videla,
primetila sam auru energije oko nje.
primetila sam auru energije oko nje.
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I asked her to dance.
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Zamolila sam je za ples.
01:21
She said she saw an aura
of energy around me.
of energy around me.
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Rekla je da je videla auru energije
oko mene.
oko mene.
01:24
I was a single male parent.
She was a single female parent.
She was a single female parent.
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Bila sam samohrani otac,
ona samohrana majka.
ona samohrana majka.
01:27
We showed each other
our kids' pictures,
our kids' pictures,
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Pokazali smo jedno drugom slike naše dece
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and we've been happily married
for a third of a century now.
for a third of a century now.
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i u srećnom smo braku već trećinu veka.
01:34
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
01:38
CA: And at the time, you were
kind of this hotshot entrepreneur,
kind of this hotshot entrepreneur,
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KA: U to vreme si bila važan preduzetnik,
01:41
working with satellites.
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radila sa satelitima.
01:43
I think you had two successful companies,
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Mislim da si imala dve uspešne kompanije,
01:45
and then you started
addressing this problem
addressing this problem
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a potom si počela da radiš na problemu
01:47
of how could you use satellites
to revolutionize radio.
to revolutionize radio.
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korišćenja satelita u revoluciji radija.
01:52
Tell us about that.
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Reci nam o tome.
01:53
MR: Right. I always
loved space technology,
loved space technology,
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MR: Da. Uvek sam volela
svemirsku tehnologiju
svemirsku tehnologiju
01:55
and satellites, to me, are sort of
like the canoes that our ancestors
like the canoes that our ancestors
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i sateliti su, po mom mišljenju,
kao kanui koje su naši preci
kao kanui koje su naši preci
01:59
first pushed out into the water.
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gurnuli u vodu.
02:02
So it was exciting for me
to be part of the navigation
to be part of the navigation
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Bilo mi je zanimljivo
da budem deo navigacije
da budem deo navigacije
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of the oceans of the sky,
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okeana na nebu,
02:07
and as I developed different types
of satellite communication systems,
of satellite communication systems,
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i kako sam razvijala razne tipove
sistema satelitske komunikacije,
sistema satelitske komunikacije,
02:12
the main thing I did was to launch
bigger and more powerful satellites,
bigger and more powerful satellites,
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bilo je najvažnije da lansiram
veće i moćnije satelite,
veće i moćnije satelite,
02:17
the consequence of which
was that the receiving antennas
was that the receiving antennas
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a posledica toga bi bile manje antene
02:21
could be smaller and smaller,
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koje primaju signal,
02:23
and after going through
direct television broadcasting,
direct television broadcasting,
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i posle direktnog
televizijskog emitovanja,
televizijskog emitovanja,
02:27
I had the idea that if we could make
a more powerful satellite,
a more powerful satellite,
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ideja mi je bila da ako bismo napravili
moćniji satelit,
moćniji satelit,
02:30
the receiving dish could be so small
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prijemna antena bi bila toliko mala,
02:33
that it would just be a section
of a parabolic dish,
of a parabolic dish,
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da bi bila sam deo paraboličnog tanjira,
02:36
a flat little plate embedded
into the roof of an automobile,
into the roof of an automobile,
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ravna pločica ugrađena na krov automobila,
02:40
and it would be possible to have
nationwide satellite radio,
nationwide satellite radio,
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i bilo bi moguće imati satelitski radio
širom zemlje,
širom zemlje,
02:44
and that's Sirius XM today.
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i to je danas Sirius XM.
02:46
CA: Wow. So who here has used Sirius?
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KA: Sjajno. Ko ovde koristi Sirius?
02:48
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
02:51
MR: Thank you for
your monthly subscriptions.
your monthly subscriptions.
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MR: Hvala vam na mesečnim pretplatama.
02:53
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:56
CA: So that succeeded despite
all predictions at the time.
all predictions at the time.
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KA: To je uspelo, uprkos svim
tadašnjim predviđanjima.
tadašnjim predviđanjima.
03:00
It was a huge commercial success,
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Doživelo je ogroman komercijalni uspeh,
03:02
but soon after this, in the early 1990s,
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ali ubrzo posle, ranih devedesetih,
03:07
there was this big transition in your life
and you became Martine.
and you became Martine.
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u tvom životu se desila velika promena
i postala si Martina.
i postala si Martina.
03:11
MR: Correct.
CA: So tell me, how did that happen?
CA: So tell me, how did that happen?
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MR: Tačno.
KA: Reci mi, kako se to desilo?
KA: Reci mi, kako se to desilo?
03:17
MR: It happened in consultation with Bina
and our four beautiful children,
and our four beautiful children,
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MR: Desilo se kroz konsultacije sa Binom
i naše četvoro divne dece,
i naše četvoro divne dece,
03:23
and I discussed with each of them
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razgovarala sam sa svakim od njih
03:28
that I felt my soul was always female,
and as a woman,
and as a woman,
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da se osećam da je moja duša
uvek bila ženska,
uvek bila ženska,
03:34
but I was afraid people would
laugh at me if I expressed it,
laugh at me if I expressed it,
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ali sam se plašila da će mi se
ljudi smejati ako je pokažem,
ljudi smejati ako je pokažem,
03:39
so I always kept it bottled up
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pa sam je uvek držala u sebi
03:41
and just showed my male side.
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i pokazivala samo svoju mušku stranu.
03:44
And each of them
had a different take on this.
had a different take on this.
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I svako od njih je imao drugačije viđenje.
03:48
Bina said, "I love your soul,
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Bina je rekla: "Ja volim tvoju dušu,
03:52
and whether the outside
is Martin and Martine,
is Martin and Martine,
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i bilo da je spolja Martin ili Martina,
03:56
it doesn't it matter to me,
I love your soul."
I love your soul."
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meni nije važno, volim tvoju dušu."
03:58
My son said, "If you become a woman,
will you still be my father?"
will you still be my father?"
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Moj sin je rekao: "Ako postaneš žena,
da li ćeš i dalje biti moj otac?"
da li ćeš i dalje biti moj otac?"
04:06
And I said, "Yes,
I'll always be your father,"
I'll always be your father,"
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Rekla sam, naravno,
uvek ću biti tvoj otac,
uvek ću biti tvoj otac,
04:09
and I'm still his father today.
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i danas sam njegov otac.
04:12
My youngest daughter did an absolutely
brilliant five-year-old thing.
brilliant five-year-old thing.
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Moja najmlađa ćerka je uradila
najsjajniju stvar petogodišnjakinje.
najsjajniju stvar petogodišnjakinje.
04:17
She told people, "I love my dad
and she loves me."
and she loves me."
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Govorila je ljudima: "Volim mog tatu,
i ona voli mene".
i ona voli mene".
04:23
So she had no problem
with a gender blending whatsoever.
with a gender blending whatsoever.
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Uopšte nije imala problem
sa stapanjem rodova.
sa stapanjem rodova.
04:28
CA: And a couple years after this,
you published this book:
you published this book:
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KA: I par godina kasnije,
objavila si ovu knjigu:
objavila si ovu knjigu:
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"The Apartheid of Sex."
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"The Apartheid of Sex."
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What was your thesis in this book?
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Šta je tvoja teorija u toj knjizi?
04:35
MR: My thesis in this book is that there
are seven billion people in the world,
are seven billion people in the world,
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MR: Moja teorija je da na svetu ima
7 milijardi ljudi
7 milijardi ljudi
04:39
and actually, seven billion unique ways
to express one's gender.
to express one's gender.
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i zapravo, 7 milijardi jedinstvenih načina
da se izrazi rod.
da se izrazi rod.
04:45
And while people may have
the genitals of a male or a female,
the genitals of a male or a female,
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I ako ljudi možda imaju genitalije
muškarca ili žene,
muškarca ili žene,
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the genitals don't determine your gender
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genitalije ne određuju vaš rod
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or even really your sexual identity.
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ili čak zapravo
ni vaš seksualni identitet.
ni vaš seksualni identitet.
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That's just a matter of anatomy
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To je samo stvar anatomije
04:59
and reproductive tracts,
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i reproduktivnih organa,
05:00
and people could choose
whatever gender they want
whatever gender they want
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a ljudi bi mogli da odaberu
koji god žele rod,
koji god žele rod,
05:04
if they weren't forced by society
into categories of either male or female
into categories of either male or female
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da ih društvo ne prisiljava u kategorije
muškarca ili žene,
muškarca ili žene,
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the way South Africa used to force people
into categories of black or white.
into categories of black or white.
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kao što je Južna Afrika prisiljavala ljude
u kategorije crnaca ili belaca.
u kategorije crnaca ili belaca.
05:13
We know from anthropological science
that race is fiction,
that race is fiction,
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Iz antropologije znamo da je rasa fikcija,
05:17
even though racism is very, very real,
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iako je rasizam veoma, veoma stvaran,
05:20
and we now know from cultural studies
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i iz kulturologije znamo
05:23
that separate male or female genders
is a constructed fiction.
is a constructed fiction.
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da je podela na muški i ženski rod
konstruisana.
konstruisana.
05:27
The reality is a gender fluidity
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Stvarnost je rodna fluidnost
05:30
that crosses the entire continuum
from male to female.
from male to female.
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koja pokriva čitav kontinuum
od muškog do ženskog.
od muškog do ženskog.
05:34
CA: You yourself don't always
feel 100 percent female.
feel 100 percent female.
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KA: Ti se ne osećaš uvek 100% kao žena.
05:37
MR: Correct. I would say in some ways
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MR: Tačno. Na neki način
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I change my gender about as often
as I change my hairstyle.
as I change my hairstyle.
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menjam rod onoliko često
koliko i frizure.
koliko i frizure.
05:43
CA: (Laughs) Okay, now, this is
your gorgeous daughter, Jenesis.
your gorgeous daughter, Jenesis.
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KA: (Smeh) OK, ovo je tvoja
prelepa ćerka, Dženesis.
prelepa ćerka, Dženesis.
05:51
And I guess she was about this age
when something pretty terrible happened.
when something pretty terrible happened.
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Pretpostavljam da je bila ovih godina
kada se nešto strašno desilo.
kada se nešto strašno desilo.
05:55
MR: Yes, she was finding herself
unable to walk up the stairs
unable to walk up the stairs
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MR: Da, odjednom nije mogla
da se penje uz stepenice
da se penje uz stepenice
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in our house to her bedroom,
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do svoje sobe u našoj kući,
06:02
and after several months of doctors,
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i posle nekoliko meseci poseta lekarima,
06:04
she was diagnosed to have a rare,
almost invariably fatal disease
almost invariably fatal disease
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dijagnostikovana joj je retka,
skoro sigurno smrtna bolest
skoro sigurno smrtna bolest
06:09
called pulmonary arterial hypertension.
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zvana plućna arterijska hipertenzija.
06:13
CA: So how did you respond to that?
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KA: Kako ste reagovali na to?
06:15
MR: Well, we first tried to get her
to the best doctors we could.
to the best doctors we could.
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MR: Pa, prvo smo pokušali da je odvedemo
kod najboljih mogućih lekara.
kod najboljih mogućih lekara.
06:19
We ended up at Children's National
Medical Center in Washington, D.C.
Medical Center in Washington, D.C.
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Stigli smo do Nacionalnog dečjeg
medicinskog centra u Vašingtonu.
medicinskog centra u Vašingtonu.
06:23
The head of pediatric cardiology
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Načelnik pedijatrijske kardiologije
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told us that he was going to refer her
to get a lung transplant,
to get a lung transplant,
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rekao nam je da će je uputiti
na transplantaciju pluća,
na transplantaciju pluća,
06:30
but not to hold out any hope,
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ali da se ne nadamo mnogo,
06:31
because there are
very few lungs available,
very few lungs available,
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jer je veoma mali broj pluća dostupan,
06:34
especially for children.
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naročito za decu.
06:35
He said that all people
with this illness died,
with this illness died,
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Rekao je da su umrli svi
koji su oboleli od ove bolesti,
koji su oboleli od ove bolesti,
06:40
and if any of you have seen
the film "Lorenzo's Oil,"
the film "Lorenzo's Oil,"
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i ako je neko od vas gledao film
"Lorenzo's Oil",
"Lorenzo's Oil",
06:44
there's a scene when the protagonist
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tamo postoji scena gde se glavni lik
06:46
kind of rolls down the stairway
crying and bemoaning the fate of his son,
crying and bemoaning the fate of his son,
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skotrlja niz stepenice, plačući
i kukajući nad sudbinom svog sina,
i kukajući nad sudbinom svog sina,
06:53
and that's exactly
how we felt about Jenesis.
how we felt about Jenesis.
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i upravo tako smo se osećali
zbog Dženesis.
zbog Dženesis.
06:56
CA: But you didn't accept that
as the limit of what you could do.
as the limit of what you could do.
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KA: Ali to niste prihvatili
kao ograničenje.
kao ograničenje.
07:00
You started trying to research
and see if you could find a cure somehow.
and see if you could find a cure somehow.
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Počeli ste da istražujete i vidite
da li nekako možete da pronađete lek.
da li nekako možete da pronađete lek.
07:04
MR: Correct. She was in the intensive
care ward for weeks at a time,
care ward for weeks at a time,
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MR: Tako je. Ona je tada nedeljama
bila na intenzivnoj nezi,
bila na intenzivnoj nezi,
07:08
and Bina and I would tag team
to stay at the hospital
to stay at the hospital
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a Bina i ja smo se smenjivali u bolnici,
07:12
while the other watched
the rest of the kids,
the rest of the kids,
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dok je ono drugo čuvalo ostalu decu,
07:15
and when I was in the hospital
and she was sleeping,
and she was sleeping,
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a kada sam ja bila u bolnici,
a ona spavala,
a ona spavala,
07:17
I went to the hospital library.
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išla sam u bolničku biblioteku.
07:19
I read every article that I could find
on pulmonary hypertension.
on pulmonary hypertension.
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Pročitala sam svaki članak koji sam našla
o plućnoj hipertenziji.
o plućnoj hipertenziji.
07:24
I had not taken any biology,
even in college,
even in college,
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Nikada nisam učila biologiju,
čak ni na fakultetu,
čak ni na fakultetu,
07:27
so I had to go from a biology textbook
to a college-level textbook
to a college-level textbook
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pa sam morala da krenem od osnova,
sve do fakultetskog nivoa
sve do fakultetskog nivoa
07:33
and then medical textbook
and the journal articles, back and forth,
and the journal articles, back and forth,
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i onda medicinskih knjiga, članaka,
napred-nazad,
napred-nazad,
07:37
and eventually I knew enough to think
that it might be possible
that it might be possible
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i na kraju sam znala dovoljno
da bih mislila da je moguće
da bih mislila da je moguće
07:41
that somebody could find a cure.
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da neko može da pronađe lek.
07:43
So we started a nonprofit foundation.
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Osnovali smo neprofitnu fondaciju.
07:47
I wrote a description
asking people to submit grants
asking people to submit grants
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Napisala sam opis, tražila od ljudi
da podnesu radove,
da podnesu radove,
07:51
and we would pay for medical research.
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a mi bismo plaćali
medicinska istraživanja.
medicinska istraživanja.
07:54
I became an expert on the condition --
doctors said to me, Martine,
doctors said to me, Martine,
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Postala sam stručnjak u toj oblasti -
lekari su mi rekli, Martina,
lekari su mi rekli, Martina,
07:57
we really appreciate all the funding
you've provided us,
you've provided us,
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stvarno cenimo svo finansiranje
koje si obezbedila,
koje si obezbedila,
08:01
but we are not going to be able
to find a cure in time
to find a cure in time
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ali nećemo uspeti da pronađemo lek
na vreme
na vreme
08:05
to save your daughter.
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da bismo spasili tvoju ćerku.
08:07
However, there is a medicine
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Međutim, postoji jedan lek
08:09
that was developed at the
Burroughs Wellcome Company
Burroughs Wellcome Company
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koji razvija kompanija
"Burroughs Wellcome"
"Burroughs Wellcome"
08:14
that could halt the progression
of the disease,
of the disease,
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i koji bi mogao
da uspori napredak bolesti,
da uspori napredak bolesti,
08:17
but Burroughs Wellcome has just
been acquired by Glaxo Wellcome.
been acquired by Glaxo Wellcome.
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ali tu kompaniju je upravo kupila
kompanija "Glaxo Wellcome".
kompanija "Glaxo Wellcome".
08:22
They made a decision not to develop
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Oni su odlučili da ne razvijaju
08:24
any medicines for rare
and orphan diseases,
and orphan diseases,
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nikakve lekove za retke bolesti,
08:28
and maybe you could use your expertise
in satellite communications
in satellite communications
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možda možeš da iskoristiš svoju stručnost
u satelitskim komunikacijama
u satelitskim komunikacijama
08:32
to develop this cure
for pulmonary hypertension.
for pulmonary hypertension.
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da razviješ taj lek
za plućnu hipertenziju.
za plućnu hipertenziju.
08:37
CA: So how on earth did you get
access to this drug?
access to this drug?
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KA: Kako si, zaboga,
dobila pristup tom leku?
dobila pristup tom leku?
08:40
MR: I went to Glaxo Wellcome
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MR: Otišla sam u "Glaxo Wellcome"
08:42
and after three times being rejected
and having the door slammed in my face
and having the door slammed in my face
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i pošto su me odbili tri puta
i zalupili mi vrata pred nosom,
i zalupili mi vrata pred nosom,
08:47
because they weren't going
to out-license the drug
to out-license the drug
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jer nisu hteli da daju licencu za lek
08:51
to a satellite communications expert,
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stručnjaku za satelitske komunikacije,
08:54
they weren't going to send the drug
out to anybody at all,
out to anybody at all,
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nisu nikome hteli da daju lek,
09:00
and they thought
I didn't have the expertise,
I didn't have the expertise,
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i mislili su da nisam stručna,
09:03
finally I was able to persuade
a small team of people to work with me
a small team of people to work with me
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konačno sam uspela da ubedim
mali tim ljudi da rade sa mnom
mali tim ljudi da rade sa mnom
09:10
and develop enough credibility.
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i da razvijem kredibilitet.
09:12
I wore down their resistance,
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Slomila sam njihov otpor,
09:14
and they had no hope this drug
would even work, by the way,
would even work, by the way,
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a usput, oni se nisu ni nadali
da će ovaj lek delovati,
da će ovaj lek delovati,
09:18
and they tried to tell me,
"You're just wasting your time.
"You're just wasting your time.
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pokušavali su da mi kažu:
"Samo traćite vreme.
Žao nam je zbog vaše ćerke."
Žao nam je zbog vaše ćerke."
09:20
We're sorry about your daughter."
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09:22
But finally, for 25,000 dollars
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Ali konačno, za 25.000 dolara
09:25
and agreement to pay 10 percent
of any revenues we might ever get,
of any revenues we might ever get,
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i dogovor da platim 10%
od bilo kakvih prihoda koje ostvarimo,
od bilo kakvih prihoda koje ostvarimo,
09:29
they agreed to give me
worldwide rights to this drug.
worldwide rights to this drug.
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pristali su da mi daju
svetska prava na lek.
svetska prava na lek.
09:34
CA: And so you put this drug on the market
in a really brilliant way,
in a really brilliant way,
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KA: Lek si izbacila na tržište
na sjajan način,
na sjajan način,
09:40
by basically charging what it would take
to make the economics work.
to make the economics work.
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naplaćujući samo toliko
da pokriješ troškove.
da pokriješ troškove.
09:45
MR: Oh yes, Chris, but this really wasn't
a drug that I ended up --
a drug that I ended up --
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MR: O da, Kris, ali to nije taj lek -
09:49
after I wrote the check for 25,000,
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pošto sam napisala ček na 25.000 dolara,
09:52
and I said, "Okay, where's
the medicine for Jenesis?"
the medicine for Jenesis?"
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i rekla: "U redu, gde je lek za Dženesis?"
09:54
they said, "Oh, Martine,
there's no medicine for Jenesis.
there's no medicine for Jenesis.
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oni su rekli: "Oh, Martina,
ne postoji lek za Dženesis.
ne postoji lek za Dženesis.
09:58
This is just something we tried in rats."
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Ovo je samo nešto
što smo isprobali na pacovima."
što smo isprobali na pacovima."
10:00
And they gave me, like,
a little plastic Ziploc bag
a little plastic Ziploc bag
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I dali su mi plastičnu vrećicu
10:04
of a small amount of powder.
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sa malom količinom praška.
10:05
They said, "Don't give it to any human,"
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Rekli su: "Nemoj ovo davati ljudima",
10:08
and they gave me a piece of paper
which said it was a patent,
which said it was a patent,
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i dali mi papir koji kaže da je to patent,
10:12
and from that, we had to figure out
a way to make this medicine.
a way to make this medicine.
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i od toga je trebalo da shvatimo
kako da napravimo ovaj lek.
kako da napravimo ovaj lek.
10:16
A hundred chemists in the U.S.
at the top universities
at the top universities
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Sto hemičara u SAD-u,
sa najboljih univerziteta,
sa najboljih univerziteta,
10:19
all swore that little patent
could never be turned into a medicine.
could never be turned into a medicine.
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zaklelo se da taj mali patent
nikad neće moći da postane lek.
nikad neće moći da postane lek.
10:23
If it was turned into a medicine,
it could never be delivered
it could never be delivered
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I ako se pretvori u lek,
neće moći da se primeni,
neće moći da se primeni,
10:27
because it had a half-life
of only 45 minutes.
of only 45 minutes.
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jer mu je vreme poluraspada
bilo samo 45 minuta.
bilo samo 45 minuta.
10:30
CA: And yet, a year or two later,
you were there with a medicine
you were there with a medicine
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KA: A ipak, godinu-dve kasnije,
imala si lek
imala si lek
10:34
that worked for Jenesis.
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koji je pomogao Dženesis.
10:38
MR: Chris, the astonishing thing
is that this absolutely worthless
is that this absolutely worthless
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MR: Kris, izuzetna stvar je
da ova potpuno bezvredna
da ova potpuno bezvredna
10:44
piece of powder
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količina praška,
10:45
that had the sparkle of a promise
of hope for Jenesis
of hope for Jenesis
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koja je dala iskru obećanja nade
za Dženesis,
za Dženesis,
10:49
is not only keeping Jenesis
and other people alive today,
and other people alive today,
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ne samo da danas održava u životu
Dženesis i druge ljude,
Dženesis i druge ljude,
10:54
but produces almost a billion
and a half dollars a year in revenue.
and a half dollars a year in revenue.
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nego i donosi skoro milijardu ipo dolara
zarade godišnje.
zarade godišnje.
10:59
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
11:02
CA: So here you go.
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KA: Eto.
11:05
So you took this company public, right?
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Ti si ovu kompaniju iznela na berzu,
zar ne?
zar ne?
11:09
And made an absolute fortune.
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I stekla ogromno bogatstvo.
11:11
And how much have you paid Glaxo,
by the way, after that 25,000?
by the way, after that 25,000?
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I koliko si ono platila Glaxu,
posle onih 25.000?
posle onih 25.000?
11:15
MR: Yeah, well, every year we pay them
10 percent of 1.5 billion,
10 percent of 1.5 billion,
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MR: Da, pa, svake godine im plaćamo
10% od milijardu ipo,
10% od milijardu ipo,
11:19
150 million dollars,
last year 100 million dollars.
last year 100 million dollars.
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150 miliona dolara,
prošle godine 100 miliona dolara.
prošle godine 100 miliona dolara.
11:23
It's the best return on investment
they ever received. (Laughter)
they ever received. (Laughter)
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To im je najbolja zarada na investiciju
koju su ikada imali. (Smeh)
koju su ikada imali. (Smeh)
11:26
CA: And the best news of all, I guess,
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KA: A najbolja od svih vesti,
pretpostavljam,
pretpostavljam,
11:28
is this.
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je ovo.
11:30
MR: Yes. Jenesis is an absolutely
brilliant young lady.
brilliant young lady.
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MR: Da, Dženesis je apsolutno
predivna mlada dama.
predivna mlada dama.
11:34
She's alive, healthy today at 30.
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Živa je, zdrava, danas ima 30 godina.
11:36
You see me, Bina and Jenesis there.
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Tu smo ja, Bina i Dženesis.
11:39
The most amazing thing about Jenesis
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Ono što je naizuzetnije u vezi s njom,
11:42
is that while she could do
anything with her life,
anything with her life,
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je da je mogla da sa svojim životom
uradi bilo šta,
uradi bilo šta,
11:45
and believe me, if you grew up
your whole life with people
your whole life with people
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i veruj mi, ako odrastaš sa ljudima
11:48
in your face saying
that you've got a fatal disease,
that you've got a fatal disease,
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koji ti u lice govore da patiš
od smrtne bolesti,
od smrtne bolesti,
11:51
I would probably run to Tahiti and just
not want to run into anybody again.
not want to run into anybody again.
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ja bih verovatno otrčala na Tahiti
i ne bih volela nikog više da vidim.
i ne bih volela nikog više da vidim.
11:56
But instead she chooses to work
in United Therapeutics.
in United Therapeutics.
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Umesto toga, ona bira da radi
u "United Therapeutics".
u "United Therapeutics".
11:59
She says she wants to do all she can
to help other people
to help other people
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Kaže da želi da uradi sve što može
kako bi pomogla da ljudi
kako bi pomogla da ljudi
12:03
with orphan diseases get medicines,
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koji pate od retkih bolesti
dobiju lekove,
dobiju lekove,
12:05
and today, she's our project leader
for all telepresence activities,
for all telepresence activities,
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i danas je ona vođa naših projekata
za javne aktivnosti,
za javne aktivnosti,
12:10
where she helps digitally unite
the entire company to work together
the entire company to work together
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gde pomaže da se cela kompanija
digitalno ujedini i sarađuje
digitalno ujedini i sarađuje
12:13
to find cures for pulmonary hypertension.
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na pronalasku lekova
za plućnu hipertenziju.
za plućnu hipertenziju.
12:16
CA: But not everyone who has this disease
has been so fortunate.
has been so fortunate.
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KA: Ali nisu svi sa ovom bolešću te sreće.
12:19
There are still many people dying,
and you are tackling that too. How?
and you are tackling that too. How?
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Još uvek mnogi umiru,
a vi se i protiv toga borite. Kako?
a vi se i protiv toga borite. Kako?
12:24
MR: Exactly, Chris. There's some 3,000
people a year in the United States alone,
people a year in the United States alone,
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MR: Tako je, Kris. Samo u SAD-u
oko 3000 ljudi godišnje,
oko 3000 ljudi godišnje,
12:28
perhaps 10 times that number worldwide,
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možda 10 puta toliko na celom svetu,
12:31
who continue to die of this illness
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i dalje umire od ove bolesti
12:33
because the medicines
slow down the progression
slow down the progression
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jer lekovi usporavaju napredak bolesti,
12:36
but they don't halt it.
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ali je ne zaustavljaju.
12:38
The only cure for pulmonary hypertension,
pulmonary fibrosis,
pulmonary fibrosis,
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Jedini lek za plućnu hipertenziju
i plućnu fibrozu,
i plućnu fibrozu,
12:42
cystic fibrosis, emphysema,
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cističnu fibrozu, emfizem,
12:45
COPD, what Leonard Nimoy just died of,
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hroničnu opstruktivnu bolest pluća,
od koje je umro Lenard Nimoj,
od koje je umro Lenard Nimoj,
12:48
is a lung transplant,
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je transplantacija pluća,
12:50
but sadly, there are only enough
available lungs for 2,000 people
available lungs for 2,000 people
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ali na žalost, pluća su dostupna
samo za 2000 ljudi
samo za 2000 ljudi
12:55
in the U.S. a year
to get a lung transplant,
to get a lung transplant,
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u SAD godišnje,
12:58
whereas nearly a half
million people a year
million people a year
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dok skoro pola miliona ljudi godišnje
13:01
die of end-stage lung failure.
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umire od poslednjeg stadijuma
plućnih bolesti.
plućnih bolesti.
13:04
CA: So how can you address that?
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KA: Kako možete da utičete na to?
13:06
MR: So I conceptualize the possibility
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MR: Bavim se mogućnošću da,
13:09
that just like we keep cars and planes
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baš kao što večno održavamo
13:12
and buildings going forever
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automobile, avione i zgrade
13:15
with an unlimited supply
of building parts and machine parts,
of building parts and machine parts,
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uz pomoć neograničene količine
rezervnih i mašinskih delova,
rezervnih i mašinskih delova,
13:19
why can't we create an unlimited supply
of transplantable organs
of transplantable organs
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zašto ne napravimo neograničenu količinu
organa za transplantaciju
organa za transplantaciju
13:22
to keep people living indefinitely,
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kako bi ljudi živeli neograničeno,
13:25
and especially people with lung disease.
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posebno ljudi sa plućnim bolestima.
13:28
So we've teamed up with the decoder
of the human genome, Craig Venter,
of the human genome, Craig Venter,
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Udružili smo se sa Kregom Venterom,
koji je dekodirao ljudski genom,
koji je dekodirao ljudski genom,
13:33
and the company he founded
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i sa kompanijom koju je osnovao
13:35
with Peter Diamandis,
the founder of the X Prize,
the founder of the X Prize,
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sa Piterom Diamandisom,
osnivačem X nagrade,
osnivačem X nagrade,
13:38
to genetically modify
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da genetski modifikujemo
13:41
the pig genome
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genom svinje,
13:42
so that the pig's organs will not
be rejected by the human body
be rejected by the human body
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kako ljudsko telo ne bi odbacivalo
organe svinje,
organe svinje,
13:47
and thereby to create an unlimited supply
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i da tako napravimo neograničenu zalihu
13:50
of transplantable organs.
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organa za transplantaciju.
13:52
We do this through our company,
United Therapeutics.
United Therapeutics.
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To radimo kroz našu kompaniju,
"United Therapeutics".
"United Therapeutics".
13:55
CA: So you really believe that within,
what, a decade,
what, a decade,
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KA: Dakle, zaista veruješ
da u roku od decenije,
da u roku od decenije,
13:58
that this shortage of transplantable lungs
maybe be cured, through these guys?
maybe be cured, through these guys?
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ovaj nedostatak organa za transplantaciju
može da se reši, pomoću njih?
može da se reši, pomoću njih?
14:03
MR: Absolutely, Chris.
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MR: Apsolutno, Kris.
14:04
I'm as certain of that as I was
of the success that we've had
of the success that we've had
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Sigurna sam u to, koliko sam bila
sigurna u uspeh koji smo doživeli
sigurna u uspeh koji smo doživeli
14:08
with direct television
broadcasting, Sirius XM.
broadcasting, Sirius XM.
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sa direktnim TV prenosom, Sirus XM.
14:11
It's actually not rocket science.
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To u stvari nije nuklearna fizika.
14:13
It's straightforward engineering away
one gene after another.
one gene after another.
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To je jednostavno sekvenciranje
jednog po jednog gena.
jednog po jednog gena.
14:17
We're so lucky to be born in the time
that sequencing genomes
that sequencing genomes
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Veoma smo srećni da smo rođeni
u vreme kad je sekvenciranje genoma
u vreme kad je sekvenciranje genoma
14:21
is a routine activity,
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rutinska radnja,
14:24
and the brilliant folks
at Synthetic Genomics
at Synthetic Genomics
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a izuzetni ljudi u "Synthetic Genomics"
14:26
are able to zero in on the pig genome,
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mogu da pronađu određeni gen svinje,
14:28
find exactly the genes
that are problematic, and fix them.
that are problematic, and fix them.
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da nađu problematične gene
i poprave ih.
i poprave ih.
14:32
CA: But it's not just bodies that --
though that is amazing.
though that is amazing.
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KA: Ali ne samo tela -
mada je to izuzetno.
mada je to izuzetno.
14:35
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
14:38
It's not just long-lasting bodies
that are of interest to you now.
that are of interest to you now.
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Tebe ne interesuju samo dugotrajna tela.
14:42
It's long-lasting minds.
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Nego i dugotrajni umovi.
14:45
And I think this graph for you
says something quite profound.
says something quite profound.
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Mislim da ovaj grafik tebi govori
nešto veoma važno.
nešto veoma važno.
14:50
What does this mean?
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Šta ovo znači?
14:52
MR: What this graph means,
and it comes from Ray Kurzweil,
and it comes from Ray Kurzweil,
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MR: Ovo dolazi od Reja Kurcvela,
i znači
i znači
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is that the rate of development
in computer processing
in computer processing
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da razvoj računarske obrade,
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hardware, firmware and software,
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hardvera, softvera,
15:03
has been advancing along a curve
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napreduje takvim tempom
15:06
such that by the 2020s, as we saw
in earlier presentations today,
in earlier presentations today,
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da će do 2020,
kao što smo videli u ranijim govorima,
kao što smo videli u ranijim govorima,
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there will be information technology
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postojati informaciona tehnologija
15:13
that processes information
and the world around us
and the world around us
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koja obrađuje informacije
i svet oko nas
i svet oko nas
15:17
at the same rate as a human mind.
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istom brzinom kao i ljudski um.
15:20
CA: And so that being so, you're actually
getting ready for this world
getting ready for this world
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KA: S tom činjenicom u vidu,
ti se pripremaš za taj svet,
ti se pripremaš za taj svet,
15:24
by believing that we will soon
be able to, what,
be able to, what,
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verujući da ćemo uskoro moći - šta,
15:28
actually take the contents of our brains
and somehow preserve them forever?
and somehow preserve them forever?
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da sadržaj naših umova
nekako sačuvamo zauvek?
nekako sačuvamo zauvek?
15:34
How do you describe that?
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Kako to objašnjavaš?
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MR: Well, Chris, what we're working on
is creating a situation
is creating a situation
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MR: Pa, Kris, mi radimo na tome
da napravimo situaciju
da napravimo situaciju
15:40
where people can create a mind file,
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gde ljudi mogu da naprave datoteku uma,
15:43
and a mind file is the collection
of their mannerisms, personality,
of their mannerisms, personality,
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a to je kolekcija njihovih osobina,
njihove ličnosti,
njihove ličnosti,
15:47
recollection, feelings,
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sećanja, osećanja,
15:49
beliefs, attitudes and values,
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verovanja, stavova i vrednosti,
15:50
everything that we've poured today
into Google, into Amazon, into Facebook,
into Google, into Amazon, into Facebook,
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svega što smo do sada pretočili u Gugl,
Amazon, Fejsbuk,
Amazon, Fejsbuk,
15:56
and all of this information stored there
will be able, in the next couple decades,
will be able, in the next couple decades,
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i sve te informacije koje se tu nalaze,
u narednih par decenija,
u narednih par decenija,
16:03
once software is able
to recapitulate consciousness,
to recapitulate consciousness,
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kada softver bude mogao da sažme svest,
16:07
be able to revive the consciousness
which is imminent in our mind file.
which is imminent in our mind file.
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moći će da ožive svest
koja će uskoro biti u našoj datoteci uma.
koja će uskoro biti u našoj datoteci uma.
16:12
CA: Now you're not just
messing around with this.
messing around with this.
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KA: Ti se ne šališ u vezi s ovim.
16:15
You're serious. I mean, who is this?
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Ozbiljna si. Ko je ovo?
16:18
MR: This is a robot version of
my beloved spouse, Bina.
my beloved spouse, Bina.
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MR: To je robotska verzija
moje voljene supruge, Bine.
moje voljene supruge, Bine.
16:22
And we call her Bina 48.
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Zovemo je Bina 48.
16:25
She was programmed
by Hanson Robotics out of Texas.
by Hanson Robotics out of Texas.
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Progamirala ju je firma "Hanson Robotics"
iz Teksasa.
iz Teksasa.
16:28
There's the centerfold
from National Geographic magazine
from National Geographic magazine
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To je duplerica iz magazina
Nacionalna geografija
Nacionalna geografija
16:31
with one of her caregivers,
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sa jednim od njenih čuvara,
16:34
and she roams the web
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i ona luta internetom
16:36
and has hundreds of hours
of Bina's mannerisms, personalities.
of Bina's mannerisms, personalities.
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i ima stotine sati Bininih manerizama,
ličnosti.
ličnosti.
16:41
She's kind of like a two-year-old kid,
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Ona je kao dvogodišnje dete,
16:43
but she says things
that blow people away,
that blow people away,
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ali govori stvari
koje ljude obaraju s nogu,
koje ljude obaraju s nogu,
16:46
best expressed by perhaps
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a to je možda najbolje prenela
16:49
a New York Times Pulitzer Prize-winning
journalist Amy Harmon
journalist Amy Harmon
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novinarka Njujork Tajmsa, Ejmi Harmon,
dobitnica Pulicerove nagrade,
dobitnica Pulicerove nagrade,
16:53
who says her answers
are often frustrating,
are often frustrating,
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koja kaže da njeni odgovori
često frustriraju,
često frustriraju,
16:55
but other times as compelling as those
of any flesh person she's interviewed.
of any flesh person she's interviewed.
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ali često su i zanimljivi kao odgovori
neke žive osobe koju je intervjuisala.
neke žive osobe koju je intervjuisala.
17:02
CA: And is your thinking here,
part of your hope here, is that
part of your hope here, is that
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KA: Da li razmišljaš i nadaš se
17:06
this version of Bina can in a sense
live on forever, or some future upgrade
live on forever, or some future upgrade
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da će ova verzija Bine na neki način
živeti zauvek,
živeti zauvek,
ili će neka buduća bolja verzija
moći da živi zauvek?
moći da živi zauvek?
17:13
to this version can live on forever?
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17:15
MR: Yes. Not just Bina, but everybody.
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MR: Ne samo Bina, nego svi.
17:17
You know, it costs us virtually nothing
to store our mind files
to store our mind files
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Znaš, skoro ništa nas ne košta
da pohranimo datoteke svog uma
da pohranimo datoteke svog uma
17:21
on Facebook, Instagram, what-have-you.
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na Fejsbuk, Instagram, šta god.
17:24
Social media is I think one of the most
extraordinary inventions of our time,
extraordinary inventions of our time,
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Mislim da su društveni mediji
jedan od najizuzetnijih izuma našeg doba,
jedan od najizuzetnijih izuma našeg doba,
17:28
and as apps become available
that will allow us
that will allow us
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i kako nam postaju dostupne aplikacije
17:32
to out-Siri Siri, better and better,
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koje dozvoljavaju da sve više
poboljšamo virtuelne pomoćnike,
poboljšamo virtuelne pomoćnike,
17:35
and develop consciousness
operating systems,
operating systems,
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i razvijamo svesne operativne sisteme,
17:38
everybody in the world,
billions of people,
billions of people,
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svi na svetu, milijarde ljudi
17:41
will be able to develop
mind clones of themselves
mind clones of themselves
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će moći da razviju svoje umne klonove
17:45
that will have their own life on the web.
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koji će na internetu živeti njihov život.
17:47
CA: So the thing is, Martine,
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KA: Martina, stvar je u tome da,
17:49
that in any normal conversation,
this would sound stark-staring mad,
this would sound stark-staring mad,
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u bilo kom normalnom razgovoru
ovo zvuči potpuno suludo,
ovo zvuči potpuno suludo,
17:53
but in the context of your life,
what you've done,
what you've done,
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ali u kontekstu tvog života,
onoga što si uradila,
onoga što si uradila,
17:56
some of the things we've heard this week,
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nekih stvari koje smo čuli ove nedelje,
17:58
the constructed realities
that our minds give,
that our minds give,
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realnosti koje konstruišu naši umovi,
18:00
I mean, you wouldn't bet against it.
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ti se ne bi kladila protiv toga.
18:04
MR: Well, I think it's really nothing
coming from me.
coming from me.
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MR: Mislim da nije značajno
kad ja to kažem.
kad ja to kažem.
18:07
If anything, I'm perhaps a bit
of a communicator of activities
of a communicator of activities
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Ja samo prenosim aktivnosti
18:14
that are being undertaken
by the greatest companies
by the greatest companies
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koje sprovode sjajne kompanije
18:17
in China, Japan, India, the U.S., Europe.
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u Kini, Japanu, SAD, Evropi.
18:21
There are tens of millions of people
working on writing code
working on writing code
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Desetine miliona ljudi programiraju kod
18:25
that expresses more and more aspects
of our human consciousness,
of our human consciousness,
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koji izražava sve više aspekata
naše ljudske svesti,
naše ljudske svesti,
18:29
and you don't have to be a genius
to see that all these threads
to see that all these threads
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i ne morate biti genije da shvatite
18:34
are going to come together
and ultimately create human consciousness,
and ultimately create human consciousness,
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da će se sve ujediniti
i na kraju stvoriti ljudsku svest,
i na kraju stvoriti ljudsku svest,
18:38
and it's something we'll value.
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a to će svima biti važno.
18:40
There are so many things
to do in this life,
to do in this life,
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U životu ima toliko stvari,
18:43
and if we could have a simulacrum,
a digital doppelgänger of ourselves
a digital doppelgänger of ourselves
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i ako možemo da imamo simulakrum,
svog digitalnog dvojnika
svog digitalnog dvojnika
18:47
that helps us process books, do shopping,
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koji nam pomaže u čitanju knjiga,
kupovini,
kupovini,
18:50
be our best friends,
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koji je naš najbolji prijatelj,
18:52
I believe our mind clones,
these digital versions of ourselves,
these digital versions of ourselves,
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mislim da će naši umni klonovi,
naše digitalne verzije
naše digitalne verzije
18:55
will ultimately be our best friends,
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na kraju biti naši najbolji prijatelji,
18:58
and for me personally and Bina personally,
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i za mene i Binu lično,
19:00
we love each other like crazy.
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mi se volimo do ludila.
19:02
Each day, we are always saying, like,
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Svaki dan govorimo
19:03
"Wow, I love you even more
than 30 years ago.
than 30 years ago.
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da se volimo još više nego pre 30 godina.
19:06
And so for us, the prospect of mind clones
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I ideja o klonovima uma
19:09
and regenerated bodies
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i regenerisanim telima,
19:11
is that our love affair, Chris,
can go on forever.
can go on forever.
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za nas, Kris, znači da naša ljubav
može večno da traje.
može večno da traje.
19:14
And we never get bored of each other.
I'm sure we never will.
I'm sure we never will.
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Nikad ne dosadimo jedna drugoj,
sigurna sam da nikad nećemo.
sigurna sam da nikad nećemo.
19:17
CA: I think Bina's here, right?
MR: She is, yeah.
MR: She is, yeah.
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KA: Verujem da je Bina ovde, zar ne?
MR: Jeste.
MR: Jeste.
19:20
CA: Would it be too much, I don't know,
do we have a handheld mic?
do we have a handheld mic?
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KA: Da li imamo bežični mikrofon?
19:23
Bina, could we invite you to the stage?
I just have to ask you one question.
I just have to ask you one question.
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Bina, da li bi došla na scenu?
Moram da ti postavim jedno pitanje.
Moram da ti postavim jedno pitanje.
19:27
Besides, we need to see you.
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Osim toga, moramo da te vidimo.
19:28
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
19:35
Thank you, thank you.
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Hvala, hvala.
19:36
Come and join Martine here.
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Pridruži se Martini ovde.
19:39
I mean, look, when you got married,
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Vidi, kad ste se venčale,
19:44
if someone had told you that,
in a few years time,
in a few years time,
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da ti je neko rekao
da će kroz nekoliko godina
da će kroz nekoliko godina
19:47
the man you were marrying
would become a woman,
would become a woman,
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čovek za koga si se udala postati žena,
19:49
and a few years after that,
you would become a robot --
you would become a robot --
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a da ćeš ti nekoliko godina kasnije
postati robot -
postati robot -
19:52
(Laughter) --
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(Smeh) -
19:55
how has this gone? How has it been?
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kako je to bilo?
19:59
Bina Rothblatt: It's been really
an exciting journey,
an exciting journey,
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Bina Rotblat: To je zaista
uzbudljiva avantura,
uzbudljiva avantura,
20:01
and I would have never
thought that at the time,
thought that at the time,
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i tada to nikad ne bih pomislila,
20:04
but we started making goals
and setting those goals
and setting those goals
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ali počeli smo da postavljamo ciljeve
20:07
and accomplishing things,
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i da ostvarujemo zamisli,
20:09
and before you knew it,
we just keep going up and up
we just keep going up and up
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i ubrzo smo sve više napredovali
20:11
and we're still not stopping,
so it's great.
so it's great.
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a i dalje ne stajemo, što je sjajno.
20:14
CA: Martine told me something
really beautiful,
really beautiful,
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KA: Martina mi je rekla nešto veoma lepo,
20:17
just actually on Skype before this,
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pre ovoga, preko Skajpa,
20:20
which was that he wanted
to live for hundreds of years
to live for hundreds of years
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a to je da je želela da kao umna datoteka
20:25
as a mind file,
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živi stotinama godina,
20:28
but not if it wasn't with you.
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ali ne bez tebe.
20:31
BR: That's right,
we want to do it together.
we want to do it together.
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BR: Tako je, želimo to da uradimo zajedno.
20:33
We're cryonicists as well,
and we want to wake up together.
and we want to wake up together.
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Mi smo i pristalice krionike
i želimo da se probudimo zajedno.
i želimo da se probudimo zajedno.
20:36
CA: So just so as you know,
from my point of view,
from my point of view,
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KA: Samo da znate, po mom mišljenju,
20:39
this isn't only one of the most
astonishing lives I have heard,
astonishing lives I have heard,
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ovo nije samo jedna od najneverovatnijih
životnih priča koju sam čuo,
životnih priča koju sam čuo,
20:42
it's one of the most astonishing
love stories I've ever heard.
love stories I've ever heard.
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ovo je jedna od najneverovatnijih
ljubavnih priča koju sam čuo.
ljubavnih priča koju sam čuo.
20:45
It's just a delight to have you
both here at TED.
both here at TED.
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Stvarno je uživanje
što ste obe ovde na TEDu.
što ste obe ovde na TEDu.
20:48
Thank you so much.
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Mnogo vam hvala.
20:49
MR: Thank you.
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MR: Hvala.
(Aplauz)
20:51
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Martine Rothblatt - TranshumanistWhether she’s inventing satellite radio, developing life-saving drugs or digitizing the human mind, Martine Rothblatt has a knack for turning visionary ideas into commonplace technology.
Why you should listen
After creating satellite radio with a startup that went on to become Sirius XM, Martine Rothblatt was on the verge of retirement. But her daughter’s rare lung disease inspired her to start United Therapeutics and develop an oral medication that changed the lives of thousands of patients. Now with the Terasem Foundation, she’s researching the digital preservation of personality as a means to enable the contents of our minds to outlast our bodies.
Rothblatt’s books include The Apartheid of Sex, which (inspired by her experiences as a transgendered woman) takes on conventional wisdom surrounding gender. Her latest book, Virtually Human, explores human rights for the digital lifeforms just over the horizon.
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