ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Paula Stone Williams - Religious leader, counselor, advocate
Paula Stone Williams is a pastor, counselor, speaker, LGBTQ ambassador and gender equity advocate.

Why you should listen

The Reverend Dr. Paula Stone Williams knows the truth will set you free, but only after it upends your carefully constructed narrative. Her devotion to authenticity caused her to leave her comfort zone as a nationally known religious leader and follow her heart to transition from Paul to Paula. She lost all of her jobs and most of her friends. Williams also discovered the massive differences between life as a male and as a female in America.

Williams is the pastor of preaching and worship at Left Hand Church in Longmont, Colorado, a pastoral counselor with RLT Pathways and a sought-after speaker to corporations, government agencies, universities and religious institutions on issues of gender equity and LGBTQ advocacy. She has been featured in the New York Times, the Denver Post, New Scientist, Radio New Zealand, Colorado Public Radio and The Huffington Post. Her TEDxMileHigh talk on gender equity has had more than one million views.

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Jonathan Williams - Religious leader, storyteller
Jonathan Williams likes to tell stories and throw parties, so he started a church that allowed him to do both.

Why you should listen

After teaching fifth grade in West Philadelphia for seven years, Jonathan Williams decided to join the family business and become a pastor like his father. He started a church in Brooklyn, NY, and just three months later faced a religious and personal reckoning when his father announced her transition from male to female. Williams decided that his church would become an advocate for the LGBTQ+ community, forever shifting the landscape in his personal and professional life.

Williams continues to lead Forefront Church in Brooklyn. In January 2019, he released his book, She's My Dad: A Father’s Transition and a Son's Redemption, published by Westminster John Knox Press. Williams has told his story to the New York Times, Huffington Post, Christian Standard Magazine, Faithfully Magazine and Rebel Storytellers.

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Jonathan Williams | Speaker | TED.com
TEDWomen 2018

Paula Stone Williams and Jonathan Williams: The story of a parent's transition and a son's redemption

Filmed:
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Paula Stone Williams knew from a young age that she was transgender. But as she became a parent and prominent evangelical pastor, she feared that coming out would mean losing everything. In this moving, deeply personal talk, Paula and her son Jonathan Williams share what Paula's transition meant for their family -- and reflect on their path to redemption. As Jonathan says: "I cannot ask my father to be anything other than her true self."
- Religious leader, counselor, advocate
Paula Stone Williams is a pastor, counselor, speaker, LGBTQ ambassador and gender equity advocate. Full bio - Religious leader, storyteller
Jonathan Williams likes to tell stories and throw parties, so he started a church that allowed him to do both. Full bio

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Paula Stone Williams: So, I was the CEO
of a large, religious nonprofit,
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spoke at some of the largest
churches in America,
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was on television in 70 different markets,
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but more than anything else,
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I just wanted to be a good parent.
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I told all three of my children,
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"When the going gets tough,
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you have to choose the road less traveled,
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the narrow path."
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I had no idea how difficult
that was going to become.
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I knew from the time I was three
or four years of age
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that I was transgender.
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I knew if I came out,
I would lose everything.
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But the call toward authenticity is sacred
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and for the greater good,
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and it asks you to trust that the truth
not only sets you free,
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it will set everyone free.
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I decided to stake my life on it.
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So I came out.
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Turns out, if you spend most of your life
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working in the conservative
religious world,
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coming out as transgender
is not all that great for your career.
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(Laughter)
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Who knew?
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(Laughter)
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Within seven days, I lost
every single one of my jobs.
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My family was supportive but struggling.
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Most of my friends
and coworkers had rejected me;
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the rest were confused.
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One friend said,
"You really messed with me."
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I said, "Yeah, well, get in line."
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They said, "You were my only example
of an alpha male who was gentle."
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And I thought, "Oh. You're right."
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I was an alpha male.
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And I was gentle.
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And if it was hard for him,
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how much more difficult
was it for my own son?
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Jonathan Williams: Estrangement
was not an option.
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It was Father's Day and my girls
brought me craft beer
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and a homemade jar of pickles,
which, in my estimation,
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is the perfect Father's Day gift.
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(Laughter)
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But the question remained:
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Do I call my own father?
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To call him, and I continue down
this spiral of denial,
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pretending that my dad was still --
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well, my dad.
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To not call was to acknowledge
that everything had changed.
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It meant that I was in for years of pain
and mourning and sadness,
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but ultimately, hope for reconciliation.
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There's no playbook for when one's father
of 30 plus years decides to transition
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to the female gender.
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But my dad did teach me one thing.
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He said the road to redemption always
comes from choosing the narrow path.
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And so I decided not to call that day,
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and a few months later, Paula flew
out and met me at a hotel in New York,
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my wife and I.
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I knocked on the door,
and this woman answered.
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It definitely wasn't my dad.
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"It's good to see you," she said.
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It didn't sound like my dad, either.
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We went to lunch, and the waiter
came to take our order.
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He said, "Let's start with the ladies,"
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but there was only one lady
at the table and it was my wife,
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and -- oh my God, there are two
women at the table.
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And my dad ordered something like lettuce,
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and I was like, I have fries on my plate.
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Did my dad like fries? I don't remember.
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I think he liked them.
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But she wasn't eating them.
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Here's this woman who knew
everything about me,
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and I knew nothing about her.
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I don't even remember saying goodbye.
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PSW: All I could think about that day
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was that it was late
September in New York,
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and I was wearing white jeans.
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(Laughter)
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You don't wear white
after Labor Day in New York.
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There was a knock at the door,
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and all I could think about was,
here I stand in my wrong jeans.
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And then I saw these big,
blue eyes I love so much,
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and they were staring
back at me in disbelief.
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And I thought, "Oh, this is not
going to be easy."
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When one person in a family transitions,
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the entire family transitions
whether they want to or not.
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Now, for those on the fringes it was easy.
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The liberals said, "Oh, wonderful!
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She's found her truth, how delightful."
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And the conservatives said,
"That's messed up, I'm out of here."
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(Laughter)
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But for my family, neither extreme
was going to work.
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Their anger, their hurt,
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their love and loyalty --
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all of it had to be brought
on to the road of trials.
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JW: Was it all a lie?
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Every game of catch in the front yard,
the Mets season tickets --
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was that with my dad or was that with her?
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I remember this one time,
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my dad took me on a bike ride
through Heckscher Park
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to teach me about sex.
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He explained the parts of the body
that I now know he wished weren't hers.
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Had my father ever even existed?
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Now, grief --
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grief is without rules.
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Grief borrows your car without asking,
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wrecks it
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and then doesn't apologize.
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And I was a wreck.
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This was heavy.
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I retreated into myself.
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I was angry.
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I felt betrayed.
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And I guess I should have known
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by the fact that you encouraged
me to be a Mets fan
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that you were preparing me
for life's really big disappointments.
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(Laughter)
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That's true.
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And yet, there were the games of catch,
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and there were the season tickets
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and bacon, egg and cheese
sandwiches every Saturday
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from the best bagel place on Long Island.
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My father lived this life
he didn't want to live,
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but he lived it so
that I could have a dad.
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I stopped wondering
if my dad had ever existed.
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He had existed -- willfully,
consciously, intentionally --
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each and every day of my growing up.
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For that, I was thankful.
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Paula's body was hers now
and her transformation was complete,
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but my transformation was just beginning.
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I had another trial, another journey,
another choice to heed my father's advice
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and continue down that narrow path.
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PSW: So most days
I believe there is a God.
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Tuesdays and Thursdays can be tough,
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and any day that you're
on the New Jersey Turnpike.
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I mean, really, you know?
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(Laughter)
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It's hard to believe in God
when your soul is in the wrong body.
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Still, somehow I ended up in ministry.
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When I lost all my jobs,
it was nothing personal.
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It's what religious tribes do.
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They believe an enemy is necessary
for the tribe to survive,
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so where no enemy exists,
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they create one.
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Right now, sexual minorities
are the enemy;
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my departure was swift and sure.
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I was surprised when my son
left his job teaching in West Philadelphia
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to go into the ministry.
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I did not see that one coming.
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And now I wondered:
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What would he do?
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I didn't have to wait that long
to find an answer.
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Six months after that first visit,
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he invited me back to New York.
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JW: The designers of the Brooklyn Bridge,
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they had their share of bad luck.
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John Roebling, he died shortly after
the bridge's construction began.
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His son Washington took over,
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but he suffered
from decompression sickness.
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His wife Emily became the surrogate
executive engineer
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who oversaw the bridge's completion.
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Father and son,
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John and Washington,
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done in by their work.
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It was this sunny day in May
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and my father and I sat in the shadow
of that Brooklyn Bridge.
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Would our lives follow the Roeblings' --
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father and son, done in by our work?
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My father thought
that her friends in church
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would carry her through her transition,
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and they did not.
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They ditched her and they clung to me.
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I was the pastor
of a new church in Brooklyn.
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This wonderful group
of forward-thinking people,
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and yet, we were financially tied
to really conservative churches.
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To hold space for Paula meant jeopardizing
our own church's livelihood.
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I sort of straddled the line
between these warring worlds.
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So I said to my dad,
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"Dad, I still live and work
in your old world.
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Is it possible that you might extend
an olive branch for my sake?"
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And her response was impassioned.
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You said to me, "Do you have
any idea what it feels like
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to finally show yourself
to your true friends
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and have them completely reject you?
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To ask you to live a lie?
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Do you know what that feels like?"
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And I didn't know what that felt like.
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But I knew I had a decision to make.
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It was the decision to continue
down that narrow path through nights,
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but for the first time,
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I caught a glimpse of light.
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I cannot ask my father to be anything
other than her true self.
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(Applause)
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PSW: So as we sat by the river that day,
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Jonathan talked about his pain,
his suffering, his grief, his confusion.
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He brought all of himself
to that conversation,
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and it tore at me
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to be the cause of such pain.
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But as he talked, there was something
redemptive going on,
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full of tension but possibility,
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grounded in that narrow path.
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He said, "This is always going to be hard.
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It always will be.
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But Dad,
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I love you."
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My son is the best of me and more.
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He's bold and strong,
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sensitive and thoughtful.
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I guess you could say,
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he's an alpha male who's gentle.
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JW: It was time for my daughters
to meet their -- Paula.
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We went back to my apartment,
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and my daughters were coloring
at the dining room table,
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and there was this awkward silence.
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And finally, my youngest asked
a single, confident question.
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"So, Grandpa, do you have a penis?"
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(Laughter)
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And after the tension abated
and the laughter subsided,
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my girls took their grandpa
back into their room
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and showed her their new toys,
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and they christened her with a new name.
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They called her "GrandPaula."
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(Laughter)
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PSW: So this past summer, I had all five
of my granddaughters at my home,
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there in the foothills
of the Rocky Mountains.
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We went swimming
in the cool waters of the river
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that flows through our little town.
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And one day, one of Jonathan's
girls said to me,
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"GrandPaula, can we go
tubing on the river?"
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And I said, "Well, you know,
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I'd really wait until your daddy
gets here for that.
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That feels to me like
that ought to be his call."
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And she said, "Oh, but GrandPaula,
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he'll exactly make the same
decision you would.
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He's a lot like you, you know."
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(Laughter)
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And I thought, yeah, he is a lot like me,
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both of us determined
to find the narrow path
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and follow it through
the long, dark night,
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all the way to the light of dawn.
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JW: Have you ever noticed
that a child who is secure,
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a child who knows love,
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that child will dance?
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They wave their arms,
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they kick their legs to music
that only they can hear.
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It's the music of a child
who is safe and unharmed
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and wholly loved.
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The day after my children
met their GrandPaula,
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she took them to go get doughnuts,
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and I watched as they walked
down the street,
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and my girls took my father's arms,
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and they danced.
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My father's arms swung wildly.
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You bought them one too many doughnuts,
because you always do --
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(Laughter)
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I watched my older daughter
take a bite of her doughnut,
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and she unleashed two jumps and a twirl.
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It was perfect.
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That narrow path,
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it always has its share
of burdens and challenges.
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But I was certain that we were going
to see this through to redemption.
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I looked at my dad
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and I looked at my girls who were dancing
and eating their doughnuts,
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and I said aloud to no one in particular,
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this is how God sees my dad."
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My father was literally born again.
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I was born again with her.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Paula Stone Williams - Religious leader, counselor, advocate
Paula Stone Williams is a pastor, counselor, speaker, LGBTQ ambassador and gender equity advocate.

Why you should listen

The Reverend Dr. Paula Stone Williams knows the truth will set you free, but only after it upends your carefully constructed narrative. Her devotion to authenticity caused her to leave her comfort zone as a nationally known religious leader and follow her heart to transition from Paul to Paula. She lost all of her jobs and most of her friends. Williams also discovered the massive differences between life as a male and as a female in America.

Williams is the pastor of preaching and worship at Left Hand Church in Longmont, Colorado, a pastoral counselor with RLT Pathways and a sought-after speaker to corporations, government agencies, universities and religious institutions on issues of gender equity and LGBTQ advocacy. She has been featured in the New York Times, the Denver Post, New Scientist, Radio New Zealand, Colorado Public Radio and The Huffington Post. Her TEDxMileHigh talk on gender equity has had more than one million views.

More profile about the speaker
Paula Stone Williams | Speaker | TED.com
Jonathan Williams - Religious leader, storyteller
Jonathan Williams likes to tell stories and throw parties, so he started a church that allowed him to do both.

Why you should listen

After teaching fifth grade in West Philadelphia for seven years, Jonathan Williams decided to join the family business and become a pastor like his father. He started a church in Brooklyn, NY, and just three months later faced a religious and personal reckoning when his father announced her transition from male to female. Williams decided that his church would become an advocate for the LGBTQ+ community, forever shifting the landscape in his personal and professional life.

Williams continues to lead Forefront Church in Brooklyn. In January 2019, he released his book, She's My Dad: A Father’s Transition and a Son's Redemption, published by Westminster John Knox Press. Williams has told his story to the New York Times, Huffington Post, Christian Standard Magazine, Faithfully Magazine and Rebel Storytellers.

More profile about the speaker
Jonathan Williams | Speaker | TED.com
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