TEDGlobal 2011
Hasan Elahi: FBI, here I am!
Hasans Elahi: FIB, te nu es esmu!
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Pēc tam, kad viņš nejaušības pēc nonāca novērojamo cilvēku sarakstā, Hasanam Elahi vietējie FIB aģenti lika ziņot ikreiz, kad viņš devās ceļojumā. Tā nu viņš sāka darīt to ... un daudz ko citu.
Hasan Elahi - Privacy artist
In 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list. Full bio
In 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list. Full bio
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00:15
Hi there. I'm Hasan. I'm an artist.
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Sveicināti. Esmu Hasans. Esmu mākslinieks.
00:17
And usually when I tell people I'm an artist,
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Parasti, kad saku cilvēkiem, ka esmu mākslinieks,
00:20
they just look at me and say, "Do you paint?"
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viņi tikai noskatās uz mani un vaicā: „Tu glezno?”
00:22
or "What kind of medium do you work in?"
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vai arī „Kādā medijā tu strādā?”
00:25
Well most of my work that I work with
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Lielākais vairums no darba, ar ko nodarbojos,
00:27
is really a little bit about methodologies of working
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ir nedaudz saistīts ar strādāšanas metodoloģiju,
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rather than actually a specific discipline
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nekā kādu konkrētu disciplīnu
00:33
or a specific technique.
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vai īpašu tehniku.
00:35
So what I'm really interested in is creative problem solving.
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Tā kā mani patiešām interesē radošo problēmu risināšana.
00:38
And I had a little bit of a problem a few years ago.
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Pirms dažiem gadiem man bija nelielas problēmas.
00:41
So let me show you a little of that.
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Ļaujiet man jums tās nedaudz parādīt.
00:43
So it started over here.
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Tātad tas sākās šeit.
00:45
And this is the Detroit airport in June 19th of 2002.
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Lūk, Detroitas lidosta 2002. gada 19. jūnijā.
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I was flying back to the U.S. from an exhibition overseas.
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Es atgriezos ASV no aizjūras izstādes.
00:52
And as I was coming back,
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Atgriežoties
00:54
well I was taken by the FBI, met by an FBI agent,
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mani aiztur FIB, mani sagaida FIB aģents,
00:57
and went into a little room
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kurš mani ieveda mazā telpā
00:59
and he asked me all sorts of questions --
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un sāka uzdot dažādus jautājumus kā
01:01
"Where were you? What were you doing? Who were you talking with?
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„Kur jūs bijāt? Ko jūs darījāt? Ar ko jūs runājāt?
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Why were you there? Who pays for your trips?" --
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Kāpēc jūs tur bijāt? Kurš apmaksā jūsu ceļojumus?”
01:05
all these little details.
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Visas šīs sīkās detaļas.
01:07
And then literally just out of nowhere,
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Tad burtiski ne no kā
01:09
the guy asks me, "Where were you September 12th?"
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viņš man pajautā: „Kur jūs bijāt 12. septembrī?”
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And when most of us get asked, "Where were you September 12th?"
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Kad vairumam no mums jautātu: „Kur jūs bijāt 12. septembrī?”
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or any date for that fact,
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vai jebkurā citā datumā,
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it's like, "I don't exactly remember, but I can look it up for you."
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jūs teiktu, „Es īsti neatceros, bet varu paskatīties.”
01:19
So I pulled out my little PDA,
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Es izvilku savu mazo plaukstdatoru
01:21
and I said, "Okay, let's look up my appointments for September 12th."
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un teicu: „Labi, paskatīsimies manas tikšanās 12. septembrī.”
01:24
I had September 12th -- from 10:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m., I paid my storage bill.
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12. septembrī man bija, no 10:00 līdz 10:30 es nomaksāju savu noliktavas rēķinu.
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From 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m., I met with Judith who was one of my graduate students at the time.
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No 10:30 līdz 12:00 es satikos ar Džuditu, kura savā laikā bija viena no manām maģistrantūras studentēm.
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From 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m., I taught my intro class,
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No 12:00 līdz 15:00 es mācīju savu jaunāko klasi,
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3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., I taught my advanced class.
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no 15:00 līdz 18:00 es mācīju savu vecāko klasi.
01:34
"Where were you the 11th?" "Where were you the 10th?"
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„Kur jūs bijāt 11. datumā?” „Kur jūs bijāt 10. datumā?”
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"Where were you the 29th? the 30th?"
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„Kur jūs bijāt 29. datumā? 30. datumā?”
01:38
"Where were you October 5th?"
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„Kur jūs bijāt 5. oktobrī?”
01:40
We read about six months of my calendar.
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Mēs pārskatījām aptuveni sešus mēnešus no mana kalendāra.
01:43
And I don't think he was expecting me to have such detailed records
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Nedomāju, ka viņš paredzēja, ka man būs tik detalizēti pieraksti
01:46
of what I did.
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par to, ko darīju.
01:48
But good thing I did,
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Taču labi, ka tā,
01:50
because I don't look good in orange.
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jo man nepiestāv oranžā krāsa.
01:52
(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
01:54
So he asked me --
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Viņš man jautāja:
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(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
01:58
"So this storage unit that you paid the rent on,
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„Šajā noliktavas telpā, ko īrējat,
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what did you have in it?"
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ko jūs tajā glabājat?”
02:03
This was in Tampa, Florida,
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Tas bija Tampā, Floridā,
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so I was like, "Winter clothes that I have no use for in Florida.
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tādēļ es atbildēju: „Ziemas drēbes, ko nevarēju ģērbt Floridā.
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Furniture that I can't fit in my ratty apartment.
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Mēbeles, kas neietilpa manā noplukušajā dzīvoklī.
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Just assorted garage sale junk,
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Dažādas grabažas izpārdošanai,
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because I'm a pack rat."
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jo esmu krāmu vācējs.”
02:16
And he looks at me really confused and says, "No explosives?"
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Viņš uz mani paskatās tiešām apjucis un vaicā: „Spridzekļi nē?”
02:19
(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
02:21
I was like, "No, no. I'm pretty certain there were no explosives.
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Es atbildēju: „Nē, nē. Esmu diezgan pārliecināts, ka tur nebija spridzekļu.
02:23
And if there were, I would have remembered that one."
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Ja tie tur būtu, es to noteikti atcerētos.”
02:26
And he's still a little confused,
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Viņš vēl joprojām ir nedaudz apjucis,
02:28
but I think that anyone who talks to me for more than a couple of minutes
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taču, manuprāt, ikviens, kurš ar mani runā vairāk par pāris minūtēm
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realizes I'm not exactly a terrorist threat.
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saprot, ka es īsti neesmu terorists.
02:33
And so we're sitting there,
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Tā nu mēs tur sēžam,
02:36
and eventually after about an hour, hour and a half of just going back and forth,
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un beidzot pēc apmēram stundas, pusotras stundas, pārskatot visu no sākuma līdz beigām un otrādi,
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he says, "Okay, I have enough information here.
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viņš saka: „Labi, man ir pietiekami informācijas.
02:42
I'm going to pass this onto the Tampa office. They're the ones who initiated this.
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Es to iesniegšu Tampas birojā. Viņi ir tie, kas šo ierosināja.
02:44
They'll follow up with you, and we'll take care of it."
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Viņi jums sekos, un mēs par to parūpēsimies.”
02:46
I was like, "Great."
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Es teicu: „Lieliski.”
02:48
So I got home and the phone rings,
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Tā nu es aizbraucu mājās un zvana tālrunis,
02:51
and a man introduced himself.
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un vīrietis tajā stādās priekšā.
02:53
Basically this is the FBI offices in Tampa
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Būtībā FIB biroji Tampā ir tie,
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where I spent six months of my life --
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kur es pavadīju sešus mēnešus no savas dzīves,
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back and forth, not six months continuously.
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turp un atpakaļ, ne sešus mēnešus nepārtraukti.
03:00
By the way, you folks know that in the United States,
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Starp citu, jūs ļautiņi zinājāt, ka ASV
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you can't take photographs of federal buildings,
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jūs nedrīkstat uzņemt federālo ēku fotogrāfijas,
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but Google can do it for you.
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taču jūsu vietā to var darīt Google.
03:06
So to the folks from Google, thank you.
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Tā kā paldies jums, Google ļaudis.
03:08
(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
03:11
So I spent a lot of time in this building.
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Šajā ēkā es pavadīju daudz laika.
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Questions like:
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Jautājumi bija šādi:
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"Have you ever witnessed or participated in any act
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„Vai esat kādreiz bijis liecinieks vai piedalījies kādā darbībā,
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that may be detrimental to the United States or a foreign nation?"
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kas varētu kaitēt ASV kā neatkarīgai valstij?”
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And you also have to consider the state of mind you're in
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Jums arī jāapdomā stāvoklis, kādā esat
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when you're doing this.
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to darot.
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You're basically face-to-face with someone
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Jūs būtībā esat aci pret aci ar kādu,
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that essentially decides life or death.
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kurš būtībā izlemj dzīvību vai nāvi.
03:31
Or questions such as -- actually, during the polygraph,
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Vai tādi jautājumi kā, īstenībā, melu detektora pārbaudes laikā,
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which was how it finally ended after nine consecutive of them --
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kā tas beidzot noslēdzās pēc deviņām secīgām pārbaudēm,
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one of the polygraph questions was ...
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viens no melu detektora jautājumiem bija ...
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well the first one was, "Is your name Hasan?" "Yes."
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pirmais bija: „Vai jūsu vārds ir Hasans?” „Jā.”
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"Are we in Florida?" "Yes." "Is today Tuesday?" "Yes."
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„Vai mēs atrodamies Floridā?” „Jā.” „Vai šodien ir otrdiena?” „Jā.”
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Because you have to base it on a yes or no.
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Jo jums tie ir jāveido uz „jā” vai „nē”.
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Then, of course, the next question is:
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Tad, protams, nākamais jautājums ir:
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"Do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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„Vai jūs piederat pie kādiem grupējumiem, kas vēlas kaitēt ASV?”
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I work at a university.
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Es strādāju universitātē.
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(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
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So I was like, "Maybe you want to ask some of my colleagues that directly."
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Es: „Varbūt jūs vēlaties to pats pajautāt kādam no maniem kolēģiem?”
03:59
But they said, "Okay, aside from what we had discussed,
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Taču viņi atbildēja: „Labi, nerunājot par to, ko esam runājuši,
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do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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vai jūs piederat pie kādiem grupējumiem, kas grib kaitēt ASV?”
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I was like, "No."
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Es teicu: „Nē.”
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So at the end of six months of this
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Pēc sešiem mēnešiem šī
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and nine consecutive polygraphs,
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un deviņām secīgām melu detektora pārbaudēm
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they said, "Hey, everything's fine."
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viņi teica: „Viss ir kārtībā.”
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I was like, "I know. That's what I've been trying to tell you guys all along.
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Es teicu: „Es zinu. Tas ir tas, ko es jums visu laiku centos iestāstīt.
04:14
I know everything's fine."
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Es zinu, ka viss ir kārtībā.”
04:16
So they're looking at me really odd.
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Viņi uz mani tā ļoti dīvaini paskatījās.
04:19
And it's like, "Guys, I travel a lot."
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Es saku: „Puiši, es daudz ceļoju.”
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This is with the FBI.
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Tā tas ir ar FIB.
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And I was like, "All we need is Alaska not to get the last memo,
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Es sacīju: „Viss, kas mums vajadzīgs, ir nepieļaut, lai Aļaska saņem pēdējo vēstuli,
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and here we go all over again."
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un te nu mēs esam atkal un atkal.”
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And there was a sincere concern there.
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Tur bija patiesa interese.
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And he was like, "You know, if you get into trouble,
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Viņš teica: „Ziniet, ja jums gadās nepatikšanas,
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give us a call -- we'll take care of it."
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piezvaniet mums, mēs to nokārtosim.”
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So ever since then, before I would go anywhere, I would call the FBI.
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Kopš tā laika, pirms došanās kaut kur, es piezvanu FIB.
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I would tell them, "Hey guys, this is where I'm going. This is my flight.
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Es viņiem saku: „Sveiki, puiši, es dodos uz turieni. Tas ir mans lidojums.
04:39
Northwest flight seven coming into Seattle
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Lidojums Nr. 7 uz ZR ielido Sietlā
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on March 12th" or whatever.
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12. martā” vai ko tādu.
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A couple weeks later, I'd call again, let them know.
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Pēc pāris nedēļām es piezvanu vēlreiz, lai viņus informētu.
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It wasn't that I had to, but I chose to.
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Nav jau tā, ka man tas jādara obligāti, bet es to daru.
04:49
Just wanted to say, "Hey guys.
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Tikai gribēju pateikt: „Sveiki, puiši.
04:51
Don't want to make it look like I'm making any sudden moves."
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Negribu, lai izskatītos, ka daru ko aizliegtu.”
04:53
(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
04:55
"I don't want you guys to think that I'm about to flee.
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„Negribu, lai domājat, ka grasos bēgt.
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Just letting you know. Heads up."
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Tikai informēju jūs. Esiet modri.”
05:00
And so I just kept doing this over and over and over.
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Es to turpinu darīt atkal un atkal, un atkal.
05:02
And then the phone calls turned into emails,
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Tad telefona sarunas pārvērtās e-pastos,
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and the emails got longer and longer and longer ...
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un e-pasti kļuva garāki un garāki, un garāki...
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with pictures,
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ar attēliem,
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with travel tips.
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ar ceļojumu padomiem.
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Then I'd make websites.
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Tad es veidoju mājaslapas.
05:12
And then I built this over here. Let me go back to it over here.
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Tad es izveidoju šo te. Ļaujiet man pie tā atgriezties.
05:14
So I actually designed this back in 2003.
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Es to izveidoju 2003. gadā.
05:17
So this kind of tracks me at any given moment.
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Tas tā kā mani visu laiku izseko.
05:20
I wrote some code for my mobile phone.
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Es uzrakstīju kodu mobilajam tālrunim.
05:22
Basically, what I decided is okay guys, you want to watch me, that's cool.
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Pamatā tas, ko izlēmu, ir labi, puiši, jūs gribat mani novērot, viss kārtībā.
05:25
But I'll watch myself. It's okay.
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Taču es novērošu pats sevi. Viss kārtībā.
05:27
You don't have to waste your energy or your resources.
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Jums nav jātērē sava enerģija un resursi.
05:29
And I'll help you out.
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Es jums izpalīdzēšu.
05:32
So in the process, I start thinking, well what else might they know about me?
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Procesa laikā es sāku domāt, ko citu viņi varētu par mani zināt?
05:35
Well they probably have all my flight records,
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Viņiem droši vien ir manu lidojumu vēsture,
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so I decided to put all my flight records from birth online.
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tāpēc es izlēmu ievietot Internetā visu savu lidojumu vēsturi.
05:42
So you can see, Delta 1252
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Jūs redzat, Delta 1252
05:45
going from Kansas City to Atlanta.
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lido no Kanzassitijas uz Atlantu.
05:47
And then you see, these are some of the meals that I've been fed on the planes.
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Tad arī var redzēt dažas no maltītēm, ko ēdu lidmašīnās.
05:52
This was on Delta 719
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Šī bija Delta 719,
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going from JFK to San Francisco.
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kas lidoja no Kenedija lidostas uz Sanfrancisko.
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See that? They won't let me on a plane with that,
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Redzat? Viņi nelaistu mani ar to lidmašīnā,
06:01
but they'll give it to me on the plane.
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taču lidmašīnā man to iedotu.
06:03
(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
06:05
These are the airports that I hang out in,
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Lūk, lidostas, kurās mēdzu uzturēties,
06:07
because I like airports.
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jo man patīk lidostas.
06:09
That's Kennedy airport, May 19th, Tuesday.
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Lūk, Kenedija lidosta 19. maijā, otrdienā.
06:12
This is in Warsaw.
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Tas ir Varšavā.
06:15
Singapore. You can see, they're kind of empty.
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Singapūra. Redzat, ka tās ir tādas patukšas.
06:18
These images are shot really anonymously
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Šie attēli uzņemti tiešām slepeni,
06:20
to the point where it could be anyone.
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tik ļoti, ko to autors varētu būt ikviens.
06:22
But if you can cross-reference this with the other data,
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Taču ja varat to salīdzināt ar citiem datiem,
06:25
then you're basically replaying the roll of the FBI agent
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tad jūs tikpat kā iejūtaties FIB aģenta lomā
06:27
and putting it all together.
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un to visu sasaistāt.
06:29
And when you're in a situation
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Jums atrodoties situācijā,
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where you have to justify every moment of your existence,
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kad jāapstiprina katras savas eksistences mirklis,
06:33
you're put in the situation where you react in a very different manner.
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jūs tiekat nostādīts situācijā, kur reaģējat pavisam citādi.
06:36
At the time that this was going on,
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Tai laikā, kad tas notika,
06:38
the last thing on my mind was "art project."
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pēdējā lieta, kas man bija prātā, bija „mākslas projekts”.
06:41
I was certainly not thinking, hey, I got new work here.
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Es noteikti nedomāju: man ir jauns darbs.
06:44
But after going through this, after realizing, well what just happened?
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Taču pēc visa šī pārciešanas, pēc saprašanas, kas gan tikko notika?
06:47
And after piecing together this, this and this,
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Visu saliekot kopā, to, to un to,
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this way of actually trying to figure out what happened for myself
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veids, kā centos saprast to, kas ar mani bija noticis,
06:52
eventually evolved into this,
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galu galā noveda pie šī,
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and it actually became this project.
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un tas patiesībā kļuva par šo projektu.
06:57
So these are the stores that I shop in -- some of them --
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Šajos veikalos, vismaz dažos no tiem, es iepērkos,
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because they need to know.
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jo viņiem tas jāzina.
07:01
This is me buying some duck flavored paste
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Tas esmu es, pērkot pīļu pastēti
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at the Ranch 99 in Daly City
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Ranch 99 Deilīsitijā
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on Sunday, November 15th.
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svētdienā, 15. novembrī.
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At Coreana Supermarket
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Te esmu „Coreana” lielveikalā,
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buying my kimchi because I like kimchi.
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pērkot kimči, jo man garšo kimči.
07:11
And I bought some crabs too right around there,
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Tur es arī nopirku pārīti krabju,
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and some chitlins at the Safeway in Emoryville.
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un cūku tievās zarnas Imorivillas „Safeway”.
07:17
And laundry too. Laundry detergent at West Oakland --
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Arī veļa. Veļas mazgāšanas līdzekli Rietumoklendā,
07:19
East Oakland, sorry.
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atvainojiet, Austrumoklendā.
07:21
And then my pickled jellyfish
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Tad vēl marinētas medūzas
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at the Hong Kong Supermarket on Route 18 in East Brunswick.
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„Hong Kong” lielveikalā uz 18. ielas Austrumbransvikā.
07:26
Now if you go to my bank records,
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Ja es pievēršos saviem bankas dokumentiem,
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it'll actually show something from there,
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tie parādīs kaut ko no šejienes,
07:30
so you know that, on May 9th,
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jūs jau zināt, ka 9. maijā
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that I bought $14.79 in fuel from Safeway Vallejo.
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es izdevu 14,79 dolārus par degvielu „Safeway” Valleho.
07:35
So not only that I'm giving this information here and there,
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Ne tikai es izpaužu šo informāciju, kur vien pagadās,
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but now there's a third party,
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taču nu tam ir trešā puse,
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an independent third party, my bank,
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neatkarīga trešā puse, mana banka,
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that's verifying that, yes indeed, I was there at this time.
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kas to apstiprina, jā, patiešām, es tajā laikā atrados tur.
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So there's points, and these points are actually being cross-referenced.
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Ir jautājumi, un šajos jautājumos patiesībā ir norādes uz citiem.
07:49
And there's a verification taking place.
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Notiek pārbaude.
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Sometimes they're really small purchases.
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Reizēm tie ir ļoti nelieli pirkumi.
07:53
So 34 cents foreign transaction fee.
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34 centi ārvalstu valūtā.
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All of these are extracted directly from my bank accounts,
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Tie visi ir iegūti tieši no maniem bankas kontiem,
07:58
and everything pops up right away.
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un viss uzreiz parādās.
08:00
Sometimes there's a lot of information.
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Reizēm ir daudz informācijas.
08:02
This is exactly where my old apartment in San Francisco was.
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Šis ir tieši tur, kur atradās mans vecais dzīvoklis Sanfrancisko.
08:06
And then sometimes you get this.
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Un tad reizēm jūs saņemat šo.
08:08
Sometimes you just get this, just an empty hallway in Salt Lake City,
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Reizēm jūs saņemat tikai šo, tikai tukšu priekšnamu Soltleiksitijā
08:10
January 22nd.
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22. janvārī.
08:12
And I can tell you exactly who I was with, where I was,
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Es jums konkrēti varu pateikt, ar ko biju kopā, kur biju,
08:14
because this is what I had to do with the FBI.
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jo šis ir tas, ko darīju ar FIB.
08:16
I had to tell them every little detail of everything.
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Man viņiem bija jāizstāsta ikviena sīkākā detaļa.
08:18
I spend a lot of time on the road.
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Es daudz laika pavadīju ceļā.
08:20
This is a parking lot in Elko, Nevada
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Lūk, stāvlaukums Elko, Nevadā
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off of Route 80
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pie 80. ceļa
08:24
at 8:01 p.m. on August 19th.
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plkst. 20:01 19. augustā.
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I spend a lot of time in gas stations too -- empty train stations.
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Es daudz laika pavadīju arī degvielas uzpildes stacijās, tukšās dzelzceļa stacijās.
08:29
So there's multiple databases.
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Tāpēc man ir saliktas datubāzes.
08:31
And there's thousands and thousands and thousands of images.
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Tajās ir tūkstošiem un tūkstošiem attēlu.
08:34
There's actually 46,000 images right now on my site,
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Īstenībā manā lapā šobrīd ir 46 000 attēlu,
08:37
and the FBI has seen all of them --
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un FIB ir redzējis tos visus,
08:40
at least I trust they've seen all of them.
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es vismaz tā domāju.
08:43
And then sometimes you don't get much information at all,
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Tad reizēm jūs nepavisam neiegūstat daudz informācijas,
08:46
you just get this empty bed.
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jūs dabūjat tikai šo tukšo gultu.
08:48
And sometimes you get a lot of text information and no visual information.
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Reizēm jūs saņemat daudz tekstveida informācijas, bet nedabūjat vizuālu informāciju.
08:51
So you get something like this.
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Jūs dabūjat ko apmēram šādu.
08:53
This, by the way, is the location of my favorite sandwich shop in California --
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Šī, starp citu, ir mana iemīļotākā sviestmaižu, vjetnamiešu sviestmaižu,
08:55
Vietnamese sandwich.
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veikala adrese Kalifornijā.
08:57
So there's different categorizations
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Lūk, dažādi sadalītas kategorijas
08:59
of meals eaten outside
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maltītēm, kas ēstas ārpus
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empty train stations, empty gas stations.
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tukšām dzelzceļa stacijām, tukšām degvielas uzpildes stacijām.
09:04
These are some of the meals that I've been cooking at home.
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Lūk, dažas no maltītēm, ko esmu gatavojis mājās.
09:06
So how do you know these are meals eaten at home?
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Kā jūs varat zināt, ka šīs maltītes ir ēstas mājās?
09:08
Well the same plate shows up a whole bunch of times.
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Daudzas reizes parādās viens un tas pats šķīvis.
09:11
So again, you have to do some detective work here.
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Jums ir jāveic neliels detektīva darbs.
09:14
So sometimes the databases get so specific.
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Reizēm datubāzes kļūst tik specifiskas.
09:17
These are all tacos eaten in Mexico City
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Lūk, visi Mehiko, blakus
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near a train station
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dzelzceļa stacijai ēstie tako
09:21
on July fifth to July sixth.
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no 5. līdz 6. jūlijam.
09:24
At 11:39 a.m. was this one.
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Plkst. 11:39 šis.
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At 1:56 p.m. was this one. At 4:59 p.m. was this one.
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Plkst. 13:56 bija šis. Plkst. 16:59 — šis.
09:29
So I time-stamp my life every few moments.
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Ik pēc pāris mirkļiem es dokumentēju savu dzīvi.
09:32
Every few moments I shoot the image.
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Ik pēc pāris sekundēm es uzņemu attēlu.
09:34
Now it's all done on my iPhone,
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Nu es to visu daru ar savu iPhone,
09:36
and it all goes straight up to my server,
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un tas uzreiz nonāk manā serverī,
09:38
and my server does all the backend work
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un mans serveris paveic visu pārējo,
09:40
and categorizes things and puts everything together.
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lietas sadalot kategorijās un visu saliekot kopā.
09:43
They need to know where I'm doing my business,
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Viņiem jāzina, kur kārtoju savas darīšanas,
09:45
because they want to know about my business.
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jo viņi vēlas zināt par manām darīšanām.
09:48
So on December 4th, I went here.
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4. decembrī es devos uz šejieni.
09:51
And on Sunday, June 14th at 2009 --
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Un 2009. gada 14. jūnijā, svētdienā,
09:54
this was actually about two o'clock in the afternoon
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tas bija aptuveni plkst. divos pēcpusdienā
09:56
in Skowhegan, Maine -- this was my apartment there.
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Skovheganā, Mainā, tas bija mans dzīvoklis.
09:58
So what you're basically seeing here
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Jūs šeit lielā mērā redzat
10:01
is all bits and pieces and all this information.
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dažādus šī informācijas fragmentus un daļiņas.
10:03
If you go to my site, there's tons of things.
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Ja jūs apmeklējat manu mājaslapu, tur ir milzum daudz lietu.
10:06
And really, it's not the most user-friendly interface.
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Tai tiešām nav lietotājiem draudzīgākais interfeiss.
10:09
It's actually quite user-unfriendly.
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Tas pat lietotājam ir diezgan nedraudzīgs.
10:13
And one of the reasons, also being part of the user-unfriendliness,
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Viens no iemesliem, arī būdama daļa no nedraudzīguma lietotājam,
10:15
is that everything is there,
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ir tas, ka tur ir viss,
10:17
but you have to really work through it.
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bet jums tiešām tam visam jāiziet cauri.
10:19
So by me putting all this information out there,
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Publicējot tur visu šo informāciju,
10:23
what I'm basically telling you is I'm telling you everything.
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es jums vēlos pateikt to, ka atklāju jums visu.
10:26
But in this barrage of noise
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Taču šajā trokšņa daudzumā,
10:28
that I'm putting out,
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ko es radu,
10:30
I actually live an incredibly anonymous and private life.
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es patiesībā dzīvoju neticami anonīmu un privātu dzīvi.
10:34
And you know very little about me actually.
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Jūs par mani īstenībā zināt ļoti maz.
10:38
And really so I've come to the conclusion
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Es esmu nonācis pie slēdziena,
10:41
that the way you protect your privacy,
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ka veids, kādā jūs aizsargājat savu privātumu,
10:43
particularly in an era where everything is cataloged
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īpaši laikmetā, kad viss ir iekļauts reģistros,
10:45
and everything is archived and everything is recorded,
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un viss ir arhivēts, un viss ir ierakstīts,
10:47
there's no need to delete information anymore.
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nav vairs vajadzības dzēst informāciju.
10:50
So what do you do when everything is out there?
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Ko jūs darāt, kad viss ir pieejams visiem?
10:53
Well you have to take control over it.
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Jums jāuzņemas pār to kontrole.
10:55
And if I give you this information directly,
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Un ja es jums tieši nododu šo informāciju,
10:58
it's a very different type of identity
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tas ir pilnīgi cits identitātes veids,
11:01
than if you were to try to go through and try to get bits and pieces.
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nekā tad, ja jūs censtos tai visai iziet cauri un censtos apkopot tās fragmentus un daļas..
11:04
The other thing that's also interesting that's going on here
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Cita no interesantajām notikušajām lietām
11:07
is the fact that intelligence agencies --
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ir fakts, ka izlūkošanas pārvaldes,
11:09
and it doesn't matter who they are --
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nav svarīgi, par kurām ir runa,
11:12
they all operate in an industry
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tās visas darbojas nozarē,
11:14
where their commodity is information,
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kur viņu prece ir informācija
11:16
or restricted access to information.
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vai ierobežota pieeja informācijai.
11:18
And the reason their information has any value
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Iemesls, kādēļ viņu informācijai ir kāda vērtība,
11:21
is, well, because no one else has access to it.
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ir tāds, ka nevienam citam tai nav pieejas.
11:24
And by me cutting out the middle man
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Man, izņemot šo starpnieku,
11:26
and giving it straight to you,
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un pa tiešo to nododot jums,
11:29
the information that the FBI has has no value,
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informācijai, kas pieder FIB, nav vērtības,
11:32
so thus devaluing their currency.
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tāpēc tas mazina viņu valūtas vērtību.
11:35
And I understand that, on an individual level,
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Es to saprotu, individuālā līmenī
11:37
it's purely symbolic.
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tas ir tīri simboliski.
11:39
But if 300 million people in the U.S.
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Taču ja ASV 300 miljoni cilvēku
11:41
started doing this,
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sāktu to darīt,
11:43
we would have to redesign the entire intelligence system
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mums būtu pilnībā, no pašiem pamatiem, jāpārveido
11:45
from the ground up.
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visa izlūkošanas sistēma.
11:47
Because it just wouldn't work if everybody was sharing everything.
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Jo tas vienkārši nedarbotos, ja katrs dalītos ar pilnīgi visu.
11:50
And we're getting to that.
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Mēs tam tuvojamies.
11:52
When I first started this project,
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Kad es sāku šo projektu,
11:54
people were looking at me and saying,
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cilvēki uz mani skatījās un jautāja:
11:56
"Why would you want to tell everybody what you're doing, where you're at?
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„Kāpēc tu vēlies visiem stāstīt, ko dari, kur esi?
11:59
Why are you posting these photos?"
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Kāpēc tu publicē šos attēlus?”
12:01
This was an age before people were Tweeting everywhere
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Tas bija laikmets, pirms vēl cilvēki visur tvītoja
12:05
and 750 million people
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un 750 miljoni cilvēku
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were posting status messages
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publicēja statusa ziņojumus
12:10
or poking people.
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vai izjokoja cilvēkus.
12:12
So in a way, I'm glad that I'm completely obsolete.
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Zināmā mērā esmu priecīgs, ka esmu pilnībā novecojis.
12:15
I'm still doing this project, but it is obsolete,
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Es joprojām veidoju šo projektu, bet tas ir novecojis,
12:18
because you're all doing it.
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jo jūs to visi darāt.
12:20
This is something that we all are doing on a daily basis,
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Tas ir kaut kas, ko mēs visi ikdienā darām,
12:22
whether we're aware of it or not.
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vienalga vai to apzināmies vai nē.
12:24
So we're creating our own archives and so on.
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Mēs radām paši savus arhīvus un tā tālāk.
12:27
And you know, some of my friends have always said,
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Ziniet, daži mani draugi vienmēr ir teikuši,
12:30
"Hey, you're just paranoid. Why are you doing this?
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„Tu vienkārši esi apsēsts. Kāpēc tu to dari?
12:32
Because no one's really watching.
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Jo neviens patiesībā to neskatās.
12:34
No one's really going to bother you."
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Neviens tevi neapgrūtinās.”
12:36
So one of the things that I do
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Viena no lietām, ko daru,
12:38
is I actually look through my server logs very carefully.
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ir ļoti uzmanīga sava servera ierakstu pārskatīšana.
12:40
Because it's about surveillance.
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Jo runa ir par novērošanu.
12:42
I'm watching who's watching me.
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Es vēroju to, kurš vēro mani.
12:45
And I came up with these.
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Un es atradu šos.
12:47
So these are some of my sample logs.
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Lūk, daži piemēri no maniem ierakstiem.
12:49
And just little bits and pieces, and you can see some of the things there.
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Tikai nelieli fragmenti un daļiņas, varat šeit redzēt dažas lietas.
12:52
And I cleaned up the list a little bit so you can see.
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Es nedaudz padzēsu sarakstu, lai varat redzēt.
12:55
So you can see that the Homeland Security likes to come by --
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Redzat, ka Iekšējam drošības dienestam patīk iegriezties,
12:58
Department of Homeland Security.
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Iekšējam drošības departamentam.
13:00
You can see the National Security Agency likes to come by.
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Redzat, ka Valsts drošības birojam patīk iegriezties.
13:02
I actually moved very close to them. I live right down the street from them now.
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Es īstenībā pārvācos dzīvot ļoti tuvu viņiem. Es dzīvoju tajā pašā ielā, kur ir viņi.
13:06
Central Intelligence Agency.
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Centrālais Drošības birojs.
13:08
Executive Office of the President.
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Prezidenta Izpildbirojs.
13:12
Not really sure why they show up, but they do.
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Neesmu īsti pārliecināts, kāpēc viņi skatās, bet viņi tā dara.
13:15
I think they kind of like to look at art.
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Manuprāt, viņiem savā ziņā patīk skatīties uz mākslu.
13:17
And I'm glad that we have patrons of the arts in these fields.
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Man prieks, ka šajās jomās mums ir mākslas atbalstītāji.
13:21
So thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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Liels paldies. Es to novērtēju.
13:23
(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
13:33
Bruno Giussani: Hasan, just curious.
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Bruno Džiuzāni: Hasan, vienkārša ziņkāre.
13:35
You said, "Now everything automatically goes from my iPhone,"
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Jūs teicāt: „Tagad viss automātiski aiziet no mana iPhone,”
13:38
but actually you do take the pictures and put on information.
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bet īstenībā jūs uzņemat attēlu un ievadāt informāciju.
13:40
So how many hours of the day does that take?
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Cik daudz laika dienā tas prasa?
13:43
HE: Almost none.
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HE: Gandrīz nemaz.
13:45
It's no different
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Tas neatšķiras
13:47
than sending a text.
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no īsziņu sūtīšanas.
13:49
It's no different than checking an email.
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Tas neatšķiras no e-pasta pārbaudīšanas.
13:52
It's one of those things, we got by just fine before we had to do any of those.
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Tā ir viena no lietām, ko labi pieprotam, lai arī bez kurām pirms tam tīri labi iztikām.
13:54
So it's just become another day.
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Tas vienkārši kļūst par ikdienu.
13:56
I mean, when we update a status message,
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Mums atjauninot statusa ziņojumus,
13:58
we don't really think about how long that's going to take.
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mēs patiesībā nedomājam par to, cik ilgu laiku tas prasīs.
14:01
So it's really just a matter of my phone clicking a couple of clicks,
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Īstenībā runa ir tikai par manu telefonu, pāris reižu uzklikšķināt,
14:03
send, and then it's done.
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aizsūtīt, un tas ir padarīts.
14:05
And everything's automated at the other end.
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Viss otrā galā ir automatizēts.
14:07
BG: On the day you are in a place where there is no coverage, the FBI gets crazy?
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BDž: Dienā, kad atrodaties vietā, kur tālrunim nav zonas, FIB paliek traki?
14:10
HE: Well it goes to the last point that I was at.
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HE: Es ziņoju no pēdējās vietas, kur atrados.
14:12
So it holds onto the very last point.
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Tiek parādīta pati pēdējā vieta.
14:14
So if I'm on a 12-hour flight,
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Ja lidoju ar lidmašīnu 12 stundas,
14:16
you'll see the last airport that I departed from.
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jūs redzēsit pēdējo lidostu, no kuras izlidoju.
14:19
BG: Hasan, thank you very much. (HE: Thank you.)
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BDž: Hasan, liels paldies. (HE: Paldies.)
14:22
(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Hasan Elahi - Privacy artistIn 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list.
Why you should listen
That led to an intensive investigation by the FBI. After months of interrogations, Elahi was finally cleared of suspicions but advised to keep the FBI informed of his whereabouts. Which he did -- fully, by opening up just about every aspect of his life to the public. What started with a practicality grew into an open-ended art project, with Elahi posting photos of his minute-by-minute life online (hotel rooms, airports, meals, receipts, bathrooms), tracking himself on Google Maps, releasing communication records, banking transactions and transportation logs, and more. The project questions the consequences of living under constant surveillance, and it has been presented at Centre Pompidou in Paris and at the Venice Biennale, among others. He is an associate professor of Art at University of Maryland, roughly equidistant from the CIA, FBI and NSA headquarters.
Hasan Elahi | Speaker | TED.com