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Hasan Elahi: FBI, here I am!
Hasan Elahi: FBI, evo me!
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Nakon što je slučajno dospeo na listu sumnjivih lica, Hasana Elahija su lokalni agenti federalnog istražnog biroa (FBI) savetovali da ih obavesti kada putuje. Učinio je to, i više... mnogo više.
Hasan Elahi - Privacy artist
In 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list. Full bio
In 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list. Full bio
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Hi there. I'm Hasan. I'm an artist.
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Zdravo svima. Ja sam Hasan.
Umetnik sam.
Umetnik sam.
00:17
And usually when I tell people I'm an artist,
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Obično, kada ljudima kažem da sam umetnik,
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they just look at me and say, "Do you paint?"
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pogledaju me i pitaju da li slikam
00:22
or "What kind of medium do you work in?"
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ili u kom mediju radim.
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Well most of my work that I work with
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U većini onoga što radim
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is really a little bit about methodologies of working
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radi se zapravo o metodologijama rada,
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rather than actually a specific discipline
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manje o određenoj disciplini
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or a specific technique.
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ili određenoj tehnici.
00:35
So what I'm really interested in is creative problem solving.
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Mene veoma zanima
kreativno rešavanje problema.
kreativno rešavanje problema.
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And I had a little bit of a problem a few years ago.
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Pre nekoliko godina sam imao
jedan mali problem.
jedan mali problem.
00:41
So let me show you a little of that.
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Pokazaću vam nešto od toga.
00:43
So it started over here.
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Počelo je ovde.
00:45
And this is the Detroit airport in June 19th of 2002.
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Ovo je aerodrom u Detroitu,
19. juna 2002.
19. juna 2002.
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I was flying back to the U.S. from an exhibition overseas.
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Vraćao sam se u SAD posle izložbe
u inostranstvu.
u inostranstvu.
00:52
And as I was coming back,
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I u povratku
00:54
well I was taken by the FBI, met by an FBI agent,
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me je jedan agent FBI dočekao
00:57
and went into a little room
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i odveo u malu sobu
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and he asked me all sorts of questions --
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gde mi je postavljao svakakva pitanja:
01:01
"Where were you? What were you doing? Who were you talking with?
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gde sam bio, šta sam radio,
sa kim sam razgovarao,
sa kim sam razgovarao,
01:03
Why were you there? Who pays for your trips?" --
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zašto sam tamo bio,
ko plaća moja putovanja...
ko plaća moja putovanja...
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all these little details.
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sve te detalje.
01:07
And then literally just out of nowhere,
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I onda, bukvalno niotkuda,
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the guy asks me, "Where were you September 12th?"
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tip me pita: "Gde si bio 12.09.?"
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And when most of us get asked, "Where were you September 12th?"
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Kada pitate većinu ljudi
gde su bili 12. septembra,
gde su bili 12. septembra,
01:14
or any date for that fact,
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ili bilo kog drugog dana,
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it's like, "I don't exactly remember, but I can look it up for you."
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odgovor je: "Ne sećam se,
ali mogu da proverim".
ali mogu da proverim".
01:19
So I pulled out my little PDA,
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I tako sam izvukao svoj planer
i rekao,
i rekao,
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and I said, "Okay, let's look up my appointments for September 12th."
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"Hajde da vidimo moje obaveze tog dana."
01:24
I had September 12th -- from 10:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m., I paid my storage bill.
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12.09. od 10 do 10.30h sam plaćao račune.
01:27
From 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m., I met with Judith who was one of my graduate students at the time.
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Od 10.30 do 12h sreo sam se sa Džudit,
koja je tada bila moja studentkinja.
koja je tada bila moja studentkinja.
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From 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m., I taught my intro class,
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Od 12 do 15h sam držao uvodni čas,
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3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., I taught my advanced class.
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od 15 do 18h napredni čas.
01:34
"Where were you the 11th?" "Where were you the 10th?"
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"Gde si bio 11? Gde si bio 10?"
01:36
"Where were you the 29th? the 30th?"
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"Gde si bio 29.? A 30.?"
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"Where were you October 5th?"
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"Gde si bio petog oktobra?"
01:40
We read about six months of my calendar.
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Pročešljali smo oko 6 meseci
mog kalendara.
mog kalendara.
01:43
And I don't think he was expecting me to have such detailed records
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Mislim da nije očekivao da imam
tako detaljne podatke
tako detaljne podatke
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of what I did.
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o svojim aktivnostima.
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But good thing I did,
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Ali dobro je što sam imao,
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because I don't look good in orange.
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jer narandžasta boja mi ne stoji dobro.
01:52
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:54
So he asked me --
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Pitao me je -
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
01:58
"So this storage unit that you paid the rent on,
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"Taj magacin za koji si platio kiriju,
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what did you have in it?"
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šta imaš u njemu?"
02:03
This was in Tampa, Florida,
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Ovo je bilo u Tampi, na Floridi,
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so I was like, "Winter clothes that I have no use for in Florida.
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pa sam rekao da je tu zimska odeća
koju na Floridi ne koristim.
koju na Floridi ne koristim.
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Furniture that I can't fit in my ratty apartment.
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Nameštaj koji mi ne staje u mali stan.
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Just assorted garage sale junk,
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Razno smeće koje sam nakupio,
02:14
because I'm a pack rat."
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jer sam kao hrčak.
02:16
And he looks at me really confused and says, "No explosives?"
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Pogledao me je veoma zbunjeno i pitao:
"Nema eksploziva?"
"Nema eksploziva?"
02:19
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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I was like, "No, no. I'm pretty certain there were no explosives.
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Rekao sam: "Ne, ne. Prilično sam siguran
da nema eksploziva.
da nema eksploziva.
02:23
And if there were, I would have remembered that one."
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A da ima, toga bih se sećao."
02:26
And he's still a little confused,
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I dalje je bio malo zbunjen,
02:28
but I think that anyone who talks to me for more than a couple of minutes
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ali mislim da svako ko sa mnom
razgovara duže od par minuta
razgovara duže od par minuta
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realizes I'm not exactly a terrorist threat.
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shvati da nisam terorista.
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And so we're sitting there,
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I tako smo sedeli tamo,
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and eventually after about an hour, hour and a half of just going back and forth,
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i posle nekih sat, sat i po vremena
natezanja, kaže:
natezanja, kaže:
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he says, "Okay, I have enough information here.
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"U redu. Imam dovoljno informacija.
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I'm going to pass this onto the Tampa office. They're the ones who initiated this.
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Preneću to kancelariji u Tampi.
Oni su ovo pokrenuli.
Oni su ovo pokrenuli.
02:44
They'll follow up with you, and we'll take care of it."
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Oni će ti se javiti i završiti sve."
02:46
I was like, "Great."
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Rekao sam, super.
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So I got home and the phone rings,
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Otišao sam kući, zvoni telefon,
02:51
and a man introduced himself.
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i neki čovek se predstavlja.
02:53
Basically this is the FBI offices in Tampa
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To je bila kancelarija FBI iz Tampe
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where I spent six months of my life --
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gde sam živeo 6 meseci -
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back and forth, not six months continuously.
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ne u kontinuitetu,
odlazio sam i vraćao se.
odlazio sam i vraćao se.
03:00
By the way, you folks know that in the United States,
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Inače, znate da u SAD
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you can't take photographs of federal buildings,
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ne smete da fotografišete
državne zgrade,
državne zgrade,
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but Google can do it for you.
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ali Gugl to može da uradi za vas.
03:06
So to the folks from Google, thank you.
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Hvala ljudima iz Gugla.
03:08
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
03:11
So I spent a lot of time in this building.
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Proveo sam mnogo vremena u ovoj zgradi.
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Questions like:
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Pitali su me svašta:
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"Have you ever witnessed or participated in any act
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"Da li si ikada prisustvovao
ili učestvovao u nekom delu
ili učestvovao u nekom delu
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that may be detrimental to the United States or a foreign nation?"
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koje može biti štetno za SAD
ili neku drugu naciju?"
ili neku drugu naciju?"
03:22
And you also have to consider the state of mind you're in
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Morate uzeti u obzir
svoje mentalno stanje
svoje mentalno stanje
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when you're doing this.
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tokom ovoga.
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You're basically face-to-face with someone
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Nalazite lice u lice s nekim
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that essentially decides life or death.
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ko odlučuje o životu i smrti.
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Or questions such as -- actually, during the polygraph,
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U stvari, tokom poligrafskog ispitivanja,
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which was how it finally ended after nine consecutive of them --
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jer tako se konačno završilo,
posle 9 uzastopnih ispitivanja,
posle 9 uzastopnih ispitivanja,
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one of the polygraph questions was ...
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jedno od pitanja,
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well the first one was, "Is your name Hasan?" "Yes."
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zapravo prvo pitanje bilo je:
"Da li je tvoje ime Hasan?" "Da."
"Da li je tvoje ime Hasan?" "Da."
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"Are we in Florida?" "Yes." "Is today Tuesday?" "Yes."
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"Da li smo na Floridi?" "Da."
"Da li je danas utorak?" "Da."
"Da li je danas utorak?" "Da."
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Because you have to base it on a yes or no.
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Morate odgovarati sa da ili ne.
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Then, of course, the next question is:
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Onda je, naravno,
sledeće pitanje bilo:
sledeće pitanje bilo:
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"Do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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"Da li ste član nekih grupa koje žele
da naude SAD-u?"
da naude SAD-u?"
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I work at a university.
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Ja radim na univerzitetu.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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So I was like, "Maybe you want to ask some of my colleagues that directly."
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Rekao sam: "Možda biste mogli
da neke moje kolege to direktno pitate."
da neke moje kolege to direktno pitate."
03:59
But they said, "Okay, aside from what we had discussed,
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Rekli su: "OK, osim onog
o čemu smo pričali,
o čemu smo pričali,
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do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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da li pripadate nekim grupama
koje žele da naude SAD-u?"
koje žele da naude SAD-u?"
04:04
I was like, "No."
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Rekao sam ne.
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So at the end of six months of this
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Posle šest meseci
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and nine consecutive polygraphs,
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i devet uzastopnih ispitivanja
na poligrafu,
na poligrafu,
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they said, "Hey, everything's fine."
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rekli su da je sve u redu.
04:12
I was like, "I know. That's what I've been trying to tell you guys all along.
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Rekao sam im: "Znam. To svo vreme
pokušavam da vam kažem.
pokušavam da vam kažem.
04:14
I know everything's fine."
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Znam da je sve u redu."
04:16
So they're looking at me really odd.
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Gledali su me vrlo čudno.
04:19
And it's like, "Guys, I travel a lot."
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Rekao sam im da mnogo putujem.
04:21
This is with the FBI.
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To je bio FBI.
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And I was like, "All we need is Alaska not to get the last memo,
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Rekao sam: "Dovoljno je da Aljaska
ne dobije poslednji dopis
ne dobije poslednji dopis
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and here we go all over again."
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i počinjemo od početka."
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And there was a sincere concern there.
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To je bila realna briga.
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And he was like, "You know, if you get into trouble,
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Rekao je: "Znaš, ako upadneš u nevolju,
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give us a call -- we'll take care of it."
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pozovi nas i mi ćemo se pobrinuti za to."
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So ever since then, before I would go anywhere, I would call the FBI.
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Od tada, pre nego što bilo gde krenem,
nazovem FBI.
nazovem FBI.
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I would tell them, "Hey guys, this is where I'm going. This is my flight.
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Kažem im: "Momci, putujem tamo.
Ovo je moj let.
Ovo je moj let.
04:39
Northwest flight seven coming into Seattle
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"Nortvest" let 7 za Sijetl
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on March 12th" or whatever.
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12. marta" ili kako god.
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A couple weeks later, I'd call again, let them know.
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Par nedelja kasnije, nazvao bih ponovo,
da ih obavestim.
da ih obavestim.
04:46
It wasn't that I had to, but I chose to.
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Nisam morao, ali sam tako odabrao.
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Just wanted to say, "Hey guys.
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Samo da kažem: "Hej, momci,
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Don't want to make it look like I'm making any sudden moves."
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ne želim da izgleda kao da pravim
nagle pokrete."
nagle pokrete."
04:53
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:55
"I don't want you guys to think that I'm about to flee.
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"Ne želim da mislite da ću da pobegnem.
04:58
Just letting you know. Heads up."
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Samo vas obaveštavam."
05:00
And so I just kept doing this over and over and over.
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To sam radio iznova i iznova.
05:02
And then the phone calls turned into emails,
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Onda su se pozivi pretvorili
u mejlove,
u mejlove,
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and the emails got longer and longer and longer ...
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a oni su postajali duži i duži...
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with pictures,
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sa fotografijama,
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with travel tips.
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sa savetima za putovanje.
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Then I'd make websites.
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Onda bih pravio sajtove.
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And then I built this over here. Let me go back to it over here.
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A onda sam napravio ovo.
Vratiću se ovde.
Vratiću se ovde.
05:14
So I actually designed this back in 2003.
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Ovo sam osmislio 2003. godine.
05:17
So this kind of tracks me at any given moment.
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To me prati u svakom trenutku.
05:20
I wrote some code for my mobile phone.
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Napisao sam i kod za mobilni telefon.
05:22
Basically, what I decided is okay guys, you want to watch me, that's cool.
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Odlučio sam, ok je
ako želite da me posmatrate.
ako želite da me posmatrate.
05:25
But I'll watch myself. It's okay.
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Ali posmatraću sebe. U redu je.
05:27
You don't have to waste your energy or your resources.
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Ne morate da trošite energiju
ili svoje resurse.
ili svoje resurse.
05:29
And I'll help you out.
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Pomoći ću vam.
05:32
So in the process, I start thinking, well what else might they know about me?
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Tokom ovoga, pomislim
šta još možda znaju o meni?
šta još možda znaju o meni?
05:35
Well they probably have all my flight records,
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Verovatno imaju podatke
o svim mojim letovima,
o svim mojim letovima,
05:37
so I decided to put all my flight records from birth online.
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pa sam odlučio da ih sve, od rođenja,
postavim na internet.
postavim na internet.
05:42
So you can see, Delta 1252
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Vidite, "Delta" 1252
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going from Kansas City to Atlanta.
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leti od Kanzas Sitija do Atlante.
05:47
And then you see, these are some of the meals that I've been fed on the planes.
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Onda, vidite, ovo su neka od jela
koja sam imao na letovima.
koja sam imao na letovima.
05:52
This was on Delta 719
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Ovo je bilo na letu "Delta" 719
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going from JFK to San Francisco.
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od njujorškog JFK aerodroma
za San Francisko.
za San Francisko.
05:58
See that? They won't let me on a plane with that,
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Vidite to? Sa tim me neće pustiti
u avion,
u avion,
06:01
but they'll give it to me on the plane.
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ali će mi ga dati u avionu.
06:03
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
06:05
These are the airports that I hang out in,
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Ovo su aerodromi na kojima sam bio,
06:07
because I like airports.
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jer volim aerodrome.
06:09
That's Kennedy airport, May 19th, Tuesday.
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Ovo je aerodrom" Kenedi",
19. maj, utorak.
19. maj, utorak.
06:12
This is in Warsaw.
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Ovo je u Varšavi.
06:15
Singapore. You can see, they're kind of empty.
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Singapur. Vidite, prazni su.
06:18
These images are shot really anonymously
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Ovo fotke su toliko anonimne,
06:20
to the point where it could be anyone.
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da bi mogao biti bilo ko.
06:22
But if you can cross-reference this with the other data,
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Ali ako ih ukrstite sa drugim podacima,
06:25
then you're basically replaying the roll of the FBI agent
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onda oponašate ulogu agenta FBI
06:27
and putting it all together.
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i sve dovodite u vezu.
06:29
And when you're in a situation
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A kada ste u situaciji da morate
06:31
where you have to justify every moment of your existence,
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da pravdate svaki trenutak
svog postojanja,
svog postojanja,
06:33
you're put in the situation where you react in a very different manner.
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reagujete na veoma drugačiji način.
06:36
At the time that this was going on,
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Dok se ovo dešavalo,
06:38
the last thing on my mind was "art project."
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nisam ni razmišljao
o "umetničkom projektu".
o "umetničkom projektu".
06:41
I was certainly not thinking, hey, I got new work here.
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Nisam mislio kako ovde imam novi rad.
06:44
But after going through this, after realizing, well what just happened?
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Ali posle ovog iskustva,
posle shvatanja šta se upravo desilo,
posle shvatanja šta se upravo desilo,
06:47
And after piecing together this, this and this,
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i posle sastavljanja delova,
06:49
this way of actually trying to figure out what happened for myself
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pokušaja da sam shvatim šta se desilo,
06:52
eventually evolved into this,
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to je evoluiralo u ovo,
06:54
and it actually became this project.
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postalo je ovaj projekat.
06:57
So these are the stores that I shop in -- some of them --
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Ovo su prodavnice u kojima kupujem,
neke od njih,
neke od njih,
06:59
because they need to know.
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jer moraju da znaju.
07:01
This is me buying some duck flavored paste
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Ovde kupujem pastu sa ukusom patke,
u "Ranču 99", u "Deli sitiju"
u "Ranču 99", u "Deli sitiju"
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at the Ranch 99 in Daly City
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07:05
on Sunday, November 15th.
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u nedelju, 15. novembra.
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At Coreana Supermarket
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U supermarketu "Koreana",
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buying my kimchi because I like kimchi.
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kupujem korejski začinjeni kupus,
jer ga volim.
jer ga volim.
07:11
And I bought some crabs too right around there,
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A ovde sam kupio i rakove,
07:14
and some chitlins at the Safeway in Emoryville.
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i neke iznutrice u "Sejfveju" u Emorivilu.
07:17
And laundry too. Laundry detergent at West Oakland --
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I deterdžent za veš
07:19
East Oakland, sorry.
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Istočnom Oklandu.
07:21
And then my pickled jellyfish
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I ukiseljena meduza
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at the Hong Kong Supermarket on Route 18 in East Brunswick.
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u supermarketu "Hong Kong"
na putu 18 u Istočnom Brunsviku.
na putu 18 u Istočnom Brunsviku.
07:26
Now if you go to my bank records,
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Ako pogledate moje bankovne podatke,
dobićete nešto,
dobićete nešto,
07:28
it'll actually show something from there,
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07:30
so you know that, on May 9th,
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znate da sam 9. maja
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that I bought $14.79 in fuel from Safeway Vallejo.
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kupio gorivo za $14,79 na pumpi.
07:35
So not only that I'm giving this information here and there,
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Ne samo da dajem ove podatke
sa svih strana,
sa svih strana,
07:39
but now there's a third party,
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nego i nezavisna treća strana,
07:41
an independent third party, my bank,
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moja banka,
07:44
that's verifying that, yes indeed, I was there at this time.
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potvrđuje da sam zaista bio tamo
u to vreme.
u to vreme.
07:46
So there's points, and these points are actually being cross-referenced.
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Postoje tačke koje se ukrštaju.
07:49
And there's a verification taking place.
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I mogu se proveriti.
07:51
Sometimes they're really small purchases.
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Ponekad su to male kupovine.
07:53
So 34 cents foreign transaction fee.
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34 centa naknade za stranu transakciju.
07:55
All of these are extracted directly from my bank accounts,
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Sve ovo je izvučeno direktno
sa mojih bankovnih računa,
sa mojih bankovnih računa,
07:58
and everything pops up right away.
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i sve se odmah pojavljuje.
08:00
Sometimes there's a lot of information.
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Ponekad ima mnogo informacija.
08:02
This is exactly where my old apartment in San Francisco was.
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Upravo na ovom mestu je bio moj prošli stan
u San Francisku.
u San Francisku.
08:06
And then sometimes you get this.
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A ponekada dobijete ovo.
08:08
Sometimes you just get this, just an empty hallway in Salt Lake City,
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Ponekad je to samo prazan hodnik
u Solt Lejk Sitiju,
u Solt Lejk Sitiju,
08:10
January 22nd.
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22. januar.
08:12
And I can tell you exactly who I was with, where I was,
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Mogu vam reći tačno s kim sam bio,
gde sam bio,
gde sam bio,
08:14
because this is what I had to do with the FBI.
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jer to sam morao da radim sa FBI.
08:16
I had to tell them every little detail of everything.
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Morao sam da im kažem svaki detalj svega.
08:18
I spend a lot of time on the road.
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Mnogo vremena provodim na putu.
08:20
This is a parking lot in Elko, Nevada
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Ovo je parking u Elku, Nevada,
08:22
off of Route 80
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pored puta 80
u 20.01h, 19. avgusta.
u 20.01h, 19. avgusta.
08:24
at 8:01 p.m. on August 19th.
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08:26
I spend a lot of time in gas stations too -- empty train stations.
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Mnogo vremena provodim i na
benzinskim pumpama, praznim stanicama.
benzinskim pumpama, praznim stanicama.
08:29
So there's multiple databases.
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Dakle, postoji mnogo baza podataka.
08:31
And there's thousands and thousands and thousands of images.
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I hiljade i hiljade fotografija.
08:34
There's actually 46,000 images right now on my site,
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Zapravo, u ovom trenutku postoji
46.000 fotografija na mom sajtu,
46.000 fotografija na mom sajtu,
08:37
and the FBI has seen all of them --
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a FBI je video sve -
08:40
at least I trust they've seen all of them.
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bar verujem da su videli sve.
08:43
And then sometimes you don't get much information at all,
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Ponekad ne dobijete uopšte
mnogo informacija,
mnogo informacija,
08:46
you just get this empty bed.
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samo prazan krevet.
08:48
And sometimes you get a lot of text information and no visual information.
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Ponekad ima mnogo tekstualnih,
a malo vizuelnih informacija.
a malo vizuelnih informacija.
08:51
So you get something like this.
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Pa dobijete nešto ovakvo.
08:53
This, by the way, is the location of my favorite sandwich shop in California --
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Ovo je lokacija moje omiljene
prodavnice sendviča
prodavnice sendviča
08:55
Vietnamese sandwich.
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u Kaliforniji -
vijetnamski sendviči.
vijetnamski sendviči.
08:57
So there's different categorizations
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Postoje različite kategorije
08:59
of meals eaten outside
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obroka van kuće,
09:01
empty train stations, empty gas stations.
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praznih železničkih stanica,
praznih benzinskih pumpi.
praznih benzinskih pumpi.
09:04
These are some of the meals that I've been cooking at home.
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Ovo su neka od jela koje kuvam kod kuće.
09:06
So how do you know these are meals eaten at home?
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Kako znate da su ova jela kod kuće?
09:08
Well the same plate shows up a whole bunch of times.
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Pa, isti tanjir se pojavljuje
mnogo puta.
mnogo puta.
09:11
So again, you have to do some detective work here.
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Opet, morate malo biti detektiv.
09:14
So sometimes the databases get so specific.
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Ponekada su baze veoma precizne.
09:17
These are all tacos eaten in Mexico City
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Ovo su svi takosi
koje sam jeo u Meksiko Sitiju
koje sam jeo u Meksiko Sitiju
09:19
near a train station
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u blizini železnilke stanice
petog i šestog jula.
petog i šestog jula.
09:21
on July fifth to July sixth.
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09:24
At 11:39 a.m. was this one.
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U 11.39h je bio ovaj.
09:26
At 1:56 p.m. was this one. At 4:59 p.m. was this one.
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U 13.56h ovaj.
U 16.59h bio je ovaj.
U 16.59h bio je ovaj.
09:29
So I time-stamp my life every few moments.
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Moj život sa vremenskim odrednicama.
09:32
Every few moments I shoot the image.
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Napravim fotografiju svakih
nekoliko trenutaka.
nekoliko trenutaka.
09:34
Now it's all done on my iPhone,
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Sve radim Ajfonom
09:36
and it all goes straight up to my server,
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i sve odmah ide na moj server,
koji radi sav posao,
koji radi sav posao,
09:38
and my server does all the backend work
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09:40
and categorizes things and puts everything together.
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kategoriše i sve spaja.
09:43
They need to know where I'm doing my business,
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Moraju da znaju gde obavljam "posao",
09:45
because they want to know about my business.
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jer žele da znaju o mom "poslu".
09:48
So on December 4th, I went here.
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Dakle, 4. decembra sam obavio ovde.
09:51
And on Sunday, June 14th at 2009 --
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A u nedelju, 14 juna 2009 -
09:54
this was actually about two o'clock in the afternoon
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ovo je bilo oko 14h
09:56
in Skowhegan, Maine -- this was my apartment there.
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u Skoveganu, Mejn - ovo je moj stan.
09:58
So what you're basically seeing here
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Ovde vidite, zapravo,
10:01
is all bits and pieces and all this information.
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deliće svih ovih informacija.
10:03
If you go to my site, there's tons of things.
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Na mom sajtu postoji mnogo stvari.
10:06
And really, it's not the most user-friendly interface.
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Istina, interfejs i nije prilagođen
korisnicima.
korisnicima.
10:09
It's actually quite user-unfriendly.
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U stvari je prilično neprilagođen.
10:13
And one of the reasons, also being part of the user-unfriendliness,
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Jedan od razloga i deo
te neprilagođenosti,
te neprilagođenosti,
10:15
is that everything is there,
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je to što je sve tu,
10:17
but you have to really work through it.
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ali morate stvarno da se potrudite
da to nađete.
da to nađete.
10:19
So by me putting all this information out there,
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Time što tu postavljam informacije,
10:23
what I'm basically telling you is I'm telling you everything.
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ja vam u suštini govorim sve.
10:26
But in this barrage of noise
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Ali u buci tih podataka
koje objavljujem,
koje objavljujem,
10:28
that I'm putting out,
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10:30
I actually live an incredibly anonymous and private life.
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ja u stvari živim izuzetno
anonimnim i povučenim životom.
anonimnim i povučenim životom.
10:34
And you know very little about me actually.
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Zapravo, o meni znate vrlo malo.
10:38
And really so I've come to the conclusion
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Zaključio sam,
10:41
that the way you protect your privacy,
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da biste zaštitili svoju privatnost,
10:43
particularly in an era where everything is cataloged
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naročito u vreme kad se sve beleži
10:45
and everything is archived and everything is recorded,
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i arhivira i snima,
10:47
there's no need to delete information anymore.
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nema potrebe da brišete informacije.
10:50
So what do you do when everything is out there?
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Pa šta da radite kad je sve dostupno?
10:53
Well you have to take control over it.
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Morate da preuzmete kontrolu.
10:55
And if I give you this information directly,
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Ako vam direktno dam ove podatke,
10:58
it's a very different type of identity
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to je mnogo drugačiji identitet
11:01
than if you were to try to go through and try to get bits and pieces.
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nego kad biste sami pokušali
da složite deliće.
da složite deliće.
11:04
The other thing that's also interesting that's going on here
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Ovde se dešava još nešto zanimljivo,
11:07
is the fact that intelligence agencies --
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a to je da obaveštajne agencije -
11:09
and it doesn't matter who they are --
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nije važno koje -
11:12
they all operate in an industry
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rade u industriji
11:14
where their commodity is information,
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u kojoj su njihova roba informacije
11:16
or restricted access to information.
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ili ograničen pristup informacijama.
11:18
And the reason their information has any value
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Njihove informacije imaju vrednost
11:21
is, well, because no one else has access to it.
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zato što im niko drugi nema pristup.
11:24
And by me cutting out the middle man
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Time što sam izostavio posrednika
11:26
and giving it straight to you,
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i sve vam pružio,
11:29
the information that the FBI has has no value,
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informacije koje FBI ima nemaju vrednost
11:32
so thus devaluing their currency.
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i tako njihova valuta gubi vrednost.
11:35
And I understand that, on an individual level,
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Razumem da je to na individualnom nivou
11:37
it's purely symbolic.
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veoma simbolično.
11:39
But if 300 million people in the U.S.
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Ali kada bi 300 miliona ljudi u Americi
11:41
started doing this,
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počelo ovo da radi,
11:43
we would have to redesign the entire intelligence system
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morali bismo da reorganizujemo
ceo obaveštajni sistem,
ceo obaveštajni sistem,
11:45
from the ground up.
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od temelja.
11:47
Because it just wouldn't work if everybody was sharing everything.
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Jer ne bi funkcionisalo,
kad bi svi sve delili.
kad bi svi sve delili.
11:50
And we're getting to that.
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A do toga stižemo.
11:52
When I first started this project,
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Kada sam počeo ovaj projekat,
11:54
people were looking at me and saying,
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ljudi su me gledali i pitali:
11:56
"Why would you want to tell everybody what you're doing, where you're at?
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"Zašto bi hteo da svima kažeš
šta radiš, gde se nalaziš?
šta radiš, gde se nalaziš?
11:59
Why are you posting these photos?"
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Zašto postavljaš fotografije?"
12:01
This was an age before people were Tweeting everywhere
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To je bilo pre nego što su svi
koristili Tviter
koristili Tviter
12:05
and 750 million people
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ili je 750 miliona ljudi
12:08
were posting status messages
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postavljalo statuse
12:10
or poking people.
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ili su "cimali" nekoga.
12:12
So in a way, I'm glad that I'm completely obsolete.
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Na neki način, drago mi je
da sam prevaziđen.
da sam prevaziđen.
12:15
I'm still doing this project, but it is obsolete,
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I dalje radim na ovom projektu,
ali on je prevaziđen,
ali on je prevaziđen,
12:18
because you're all doing it.
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jer svi to radite.
12:20
This is something that we all are doing on a daily basis,
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To svi radimo na dnevnom nivou,
12:22
whether we're aware of it or not.
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bilo da smo toga svesni ili ne.
12:24
So we're creating our own archives and so on.
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Pravimo svoje arhive.
12:27
And you know, some of my friends have always said,
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Znate, neki od mojih prijatelja
su uvek govorili
su uvek govorili
12:30
"Hey, you're just paranoid. Why are you doing this?
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da sam paranoičan,
pitali zašto to radim,
pitali zašto to radim,
12:32
Because no one's really watching.
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jer niko zapravo ne gleda
12:34
No one's really going to bother you."
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i niko me neće gnjaviti.
12:36
So one of the things that I do
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Pa zato ja pažljivo pregledam
12:38
is I actually look through my server logs very carefully.
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podatke na svojim serverima.
12:40
Because it's about surveillance.
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Jer, radi se o prismotri.
12:42
I'm watching who's watching me.
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Gledam ko mene gleda.
12:45
And I came up with these.
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I našao sam ovo.
12:47
So these are some of my sample logs.
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Ovo su moji unosi.
12:49
And just little bits and pieces, and you can see some of the things there.
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Samo delići, ovde možete nešto videti.
12:52
And I cleaned up the list a little bit so you can see.
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Malo sam očistio listu, da biste videli.
12:55
So you can see that the Homeland Security likes to come by --
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Vidite da Državna bezbednost
voli da navrati -
voli da navrati -
12:58
Department of Homeland Security.
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Ministarstvo za državnu bezbednost.
13:00
You can see the National Security Agency likes to come by.
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Vidite da Nacionalna agencija
za bezbednost voli da svrati.
za bezbednost voli da svrati.
13:02
I actually moved very close to them. I live right down the street from them now.
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Preselio sam se vrlo blizu njih,
niz ulicu.
niz ulicu.
13:06
Central Intelligence Agency.
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Centralna informativna agencija.
13:08
Executive Office of the President.
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Kabinet Predsednika.
13:12
Not really sure why they show up, but they do.
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Nisam siguran zašto oni dolaze,
ali tu su.
ali tu su.
13:15
I think they kind of like to look at art.
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Možda vole umetnost.
13:17
And I'm glad that we have patrons of the arts in these fields.
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Drago mi je što tu ima
poštovalaca umetnosti.
poštovalaca umetnosti.
13:21
So thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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Mnogo vam hvala.
13:23
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
13:33
Bruno Giussani: Hasan, just curious.
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Bruno Đuzani: Hasan, radoznao sam.
13:35
You said, "Now everything automatically goes from my iPhone,"
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Rekao si: "Sada sve direktno ide
sa mog Ajfona",
sa mog Ajfona",
13:38
but actually you do take the pictures and put on information.
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ali zapravo ti fotografišeš
i postavljaš informacije.
i postavljaš informacije.
13:40
So how many hours of the day does that take?
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Koliko vremena dnevno to oduzima?
13:43
HE: Almost none.
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HE: Skoro uopšte ne oduzima.
13:45
It's no different
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Ne razlikuje se
od slanja poruke.
od slanja poruke.
13:47
than sending a text.
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13:49
It's no different than checking an email.
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Ili proveravanja pošte.
13:52
It's one of those things, we got by just fine before we had to do any of those.
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Bez tih stvari
smo se ranije dobro snalazili.
smo se ranije dobro snalazili.
13:54
So it's just become another day.
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Postalo je svakodnevno.
13:56
I mean, when we update a status message,
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Mislim, kada ažuriramo status,
13:58
we don't really think about how long that's going to take.
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ne razmišljamo o tome
koliko će to da traje.
koliko će to da traje.
14:01
So it's really just a matter of my phone clicking a couple of clicks,
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Radi se samo o par klikova,
14:03
send, and then it's done.
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pošalji, i gotovo je.
14:05
And everything's automated at the other end.
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A sa druge strane je sve automatizovano.
14:07
BG: On the day you are in a place where there is no coverage, the FBI gets crazy?
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BĐ: Ako se nekad nađeš na mestu
bez signala, da li FBI poludi?
bez signala, da li FBI poludi?
14:10
HE: Well it goes to the last point that I was at.
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HE: Pa, tada odlazi na poslednje mesto
gde sam bio.
gde sam bio.
14:12
So it holds onto the very last point.
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I drži se toga.
14:14
So if I'm on a 12-hour flight,
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Ako sam na dvanaestočasovnom letu,
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you'll see the last airport that I departed from.
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videćete aerodrom sa kog sam poleteo.
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BG: Hasan, thank you very much. (HE: Thank you.)
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BĐ: Hasane, mnogo hvala.
(HE: Hvala.)
(HE: Hvala.)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Hasan Elahi - Privacy artistIn 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list.
Why you should listen
That led to an intensive investigation by the FBI. After months of interrogations, Elahi was finally cleared of suspicions but advised to keep the FBI informed of his whereabouts. Which he did -- fully, by opening up just about every aspect of his life to the public. What started with a practicality grew into an open-ended art project, with Elahi posting photos of his minute-by-minute life online (hotel rooms, airports, meals, receipts, bathrooms), tracking himself on Google Maps, releasing communication records, banking transactions and transportation logs, and more. The project questions the consequences of living under constant surveillance, and it has been presented at Centre Pompidou in Paris and at the Venice Biennale, among others. He is an associate professor of Art at University of Maryland, roughly equidistant from the CIA, FBI and NSA headquarters.
Hasan Elahi | Speaker | TED.com