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Hawa Abdi + Deqo Mohamed: Mother and daughter doctor-heroes
母女英雄医生：Hawa Abdi和Deqo Mohamed
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她们被称作“索马里的圣人”。Hawa Abdi医生和她的女儿Deqo Mohamed讨论其在索马里的医疗诊所。那里，面对着内战以及对妇女的公然压迫，她们建立了医院，学校和和平的社区。
Dr. Hawa Abdi + Dr. Deqo Mohamed - Somali doctors who treat women refugees
Dr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free. Full bio
Dr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free. Full bio
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Hawa Abdi: Many people -- 20 years for Somalia --
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Hawa Abdi：索马里这20年来，很多人——
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[were] fighting.
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一直在打仗。
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So there was no job, no food.
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所以那里没有工作，没有食物。
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Children, most of them,
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很多的孩子，
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became very malnourished, like this.
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都变得像这样，非常的营养不良。
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Deqo Mohamed: So as you know,
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Deqo Mohamed： 所以，你知道，
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always in a civil war,
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往往在内战中，
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the ones affected most [are] the women and children.
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最受影响的是妇女和儿童。
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So our patients are women and children.
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所以我们的病人都是妇女和儿童。
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And they are in our backyard.
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他们都在我们的院子里。
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It's our home. We welcome them.
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这是我们的家，我们很欢迎他们。
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That's the camp that we have in now
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这就是我们现在拥有的营地。
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90,000 people,
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9万人在里面，
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where 75 percent of them are women and children.
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有75%都是妇女和儿童。
00:53
Pat Mitchell: And this is your hospital. This is the inside.
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Pat Mitchell：这就是你们的医院。这是内部。
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HA: We are doing C-sections and different operations
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HA:我们在这里进行剖腹产以及其他不同的手术
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because people need some help.
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因为人们需要帮助。
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There is no government to protect them.
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政府不会来保护他们。
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DM: Every morning we have about 400 patients,
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DM：每天早晨我们就有400个左右的病人，
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maybe more or less.
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或者多一点或者少一点。
01:09
But sometimes we are only five doctors
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但有时我们只有5名医生
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and 16 nurses,
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和16个护士，
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and we are physically getting exhausted to see all of them.
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要把他们全部都看完，这真的让我们感到筋疲力尽。
01:18
But we take the severe ones,
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所以我们先看那些严重的病人，
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and we reschedule the other ones the next day.
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然后再重新安排其他病人到第二天。
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It is very tough.
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这非常的艰难。
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And as you can see, it's the women who are carrying the children;
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你可以看到，是妇女带着孩子，
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it's the women who come into the hospitals;
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是妇女来到医院，
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it's the women [are] building the houses.
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是妇女搭建的这些房子。
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That's their house.
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这是她们的家。
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And we have a school. This is our bright --
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我们还有一个学校。这是我们的光明——
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we opened [in the] last two years [an] elementary school
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前年我们开办了一个小学
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where we have 850 children,
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我们有850个孩子，
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and the majority are women and girls.
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其中大部分都是妇女和女孩儿。
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(Applause)
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（掌声）
01:51
PM: And the doctors have some very big rules
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PM：医生们有一些非常严格的规定
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about who can get treated at the clinic.
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关于谁可以在诊所接受治疗。
01:56
Would you explain the rules for admission?
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你可以解释一下进入诊所的规定吗？
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HA: The people who are coming to us,
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HA：来找我们的人，
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we are welcoming.
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我们都欢迎。
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We are sharing with them
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我们和他们分享
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whatever we have.
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我们拥有的一切。
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But there are only two rules.
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但是只有两个规定。
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First rule:
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第一：
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there is no clan distinguished and political division
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在索马里社会没有种族歧视
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in Somali society.
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和政治分裂。
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[Whomever] makes those things we throw out.
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谁要是搞这些东西，就把他轰出去。
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The second:
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第二：
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no man can beat his wife.
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男人不允许打他的妻子。
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If he beat,
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如果他打了，
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we will put [him] in jail,
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我们会把他扔进监狱，
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and we will call the eldest people.
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而且我们会告诉我们的最年长者。
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Until they identify this case,
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除非他们受理这案情，
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we'll never release him.
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否则我们不会放了他。
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That's our two rules.
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这是我们的两个规定。
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(Applause)
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（掌声）
02:43
The other thing that I have realized,
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我还明白了一件事情，
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that the woman is the most strong person
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女人是世界上
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all over the world.
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最强的人。
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Because the last 20 years,
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在过去的20年里，
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the Somali woman has stood up.
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索马里的女人站了起来。
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They were the leaders,
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她们是领导者，
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and we are the leaders
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而且我们是我们
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of our community
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社区的领导者
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and the hope of our future generations.
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而且是我们下一代的希望。
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We are not just the helpless
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我们不是弱者
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and the victims of the civil war.
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也不是内战的受害者。
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We can reconcile.
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我们可以调和内战。
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We can do everything.
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我们可以做一切事情。
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(Applause)
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（掌声）
03:18
DM: As my mother said, we are the future hope,
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DM：正如我妈妈说的，我们是未来的希望，
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and the men are only killing in Somalia.
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在索马里男人只会互相残杀。
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So we came up with these two rules.
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所以我们在9万人的营中
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In a camp with 90,000 people,
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定了这两条规定。
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you have to come up with some rules or there is going to be some fights.
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你得制定一些规定，不然就会有争斗。
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So there is no clan division,
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所以那里没有种族分裂
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and no man can beat his wife.
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而且男人不允许打妻子。
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And we have a little storage room
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并且我们有一个小储物间
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where we converted a jail.
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我们把它改造成了监狱。
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So if you beat your wife, you're going to be there.
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如果你打了你的妻子，你就会被关在那里。
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(Applause)
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（掌声）
03:42
So empowering the women and giving the opportunity --
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所以赋予妇女权利，给她们机会 --
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we are there for them. They are not alone for this.
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我们在那里帮助她们; 她们并不是独自承受这些。
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PM: You're running a medical clinic.
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PM: 你们开了一家诊所，
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It brought much, much needed medical care
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给那些需要帮助的人们
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to people who wouldn't get it.
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带去了很多的医疗护理。
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You're also running a civil society.
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你们同时创办了一个民间社会
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You've created your own rules,
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并建立了自己的规定，
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in which women and children
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在那里妇女和儿童都
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are getting a different sense of security.
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获得了不一样的安全感。
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Talk to me about your decision, Dr. Abdi,
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跟我讲讲关于你的决定，Abdi医生
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and your decision, Dr. Mohamed,
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还有你的决定，穆罕默德医生
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to work together --
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让你们在一起工作 --
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for you to become a doctor
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使你（穆罕默德）成为一名医生
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and to work with your mother in these circumstances.
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并在这样的环境下和你的母亲一起工作。
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HA: My age --
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HA: 我的年龄——
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because I was born in 1947 --
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因为我出生在1947年——
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we were having, at that time,
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那时候我们还有
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government, law and order.
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政府，法律和纪律。
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But one day, I went to the hospital --
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但有一天，我去了医院——
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my mother was sick --
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我的母亲病了——
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and I saw the hospital, how they [were] treating the doctors,
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我在医院里看到，医生是怎样去治疗的，
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how they [are] committed
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他们是怎样医治
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to help the sick people.
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去帮助那些病人的。
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I admired them,
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我很敬佩他们，
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and I decided to become a doctor.
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于是我决定成为一名医生。
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My mother died, unfortunately,
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不幸的是，当我12岁的时候，
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when I was 12 years [old].
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我的母亲去世了。
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Then my father allowed me
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于是我的父亲答应了我
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to proceed [with] my hope.
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去追寻我的梦想。
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My mother died
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我的母亲是死于
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in [a] gynecology complication,
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妇科并发症，
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so I decided to become
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所以我决定成为一名
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a gynecology specialist.
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妇科病的专家。
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That's why I became a doctor.
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这便是为什么我成为了一名医生。
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So Dr. Deqo has to explain.
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Deqo（穆罕默德）医生也要解释一下。
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DM: For me, my mother was preparing [me] when I was a child
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DM: 而我呢，我的母亲在我小时候就打算
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to become a doctor, but I really didn't want to.
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把我培养成一名医生，但是我真的不喜欢。
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Maybe I should become an historian,
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也许我应该成为一名历史学家
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or maybe a reporter.
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或者一名记者。
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I loved it, but it didn't work.
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我非常喜欢，但是这样是不行的。
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When the war broke out -- civil war --
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当内战爆发的时候，
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I saw how my mother was helping
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我看到我母亲是如何工作的
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and how she really needed the help,
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也看到她真的是非常的需要帮助。
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and how the care is essential to the woman
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对于妇女来说医保是那样的重要，
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to be a woman doctor in Somalia
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在索马里成为一名女医生
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and help the women and children.
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并帮助那里的妇女和儿童。
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And I thought, maybe I can be a reporter and doctor gynecologist.
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然后我想也许我可以成为一个妇科医生兼记者。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So I went to Russia, and my mother also,
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于是我和我的母亲在苏联时期
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[during the] time of [the] Soviet Union.
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去了俄国。
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So some of our character,
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所以我们的一些性格
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maybe we will come with a strong Soviet background of training.
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可能会带有一些强烈的苏联训练的感觉。
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So that's how I decided [to do] the same.
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这就是我如何做了这同样的决定。
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My sister was different.
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我的妹妹不太一样，
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She's here. She's also a doctor.
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她也在这里，她也是一名医生。
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She graduated in Russia also.
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她也是在苏联毕业。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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And to go back and to work with our mother
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后来回来和我们的母亲一起工作
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is just what we saw in the civil war --
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我们正好恰逢内战 --
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when I was 16, and my sister was 11,
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当内战爆发时
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when the civil war broke out.
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我16岁，而我妹妹只有11岁。
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So it was the need and the people we saw
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在90年代初期
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in the early '90s --
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我们看到了需要，看到了的那些人，
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that's what made us go back
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使我们回来
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and work for them.
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去帮助他们。
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PM: So what is the biggest challenge
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PM: 那么母女在一起
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working, mother and daughter,
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在如此危险
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in such dangerous
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甚至有时让人毛骨耸然的环境下工作，
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and sometimes scary situations?
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最大的挑战是什么？
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HA: Yes, I was working in a tough situation,
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HA: 是的，我在一个非常艰苦的环境中工作，
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very dangerous.
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非常的危险。
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And when I saw the people who needed me,
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当我看到需要我的人的时候，
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I was staying with them to help,
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我留下来帮助他们，
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because I [could] do something for them.
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因为我可以为他们做一些事情。
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Most people fled abroad.
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很多人飞到了国外。
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But I remained with those people,
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但是我和这些人留在一起，
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and I was trying to do something --
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我努力地做着一些事--
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[any] little thing I [could] do.
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一些我可以做到的小事。
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I succeeded in my place.
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我在我的本职上获得了成功。
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Now my place is 90,000 people
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现在在我们的地方有9万人，
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who are respecting each other,
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大家互相尊敬，
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who are not fighting.
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没有打斗。
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But we try to stand on our feet,
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我们努力靠自己
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to do something, little things, we can for our people.
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为大家做一些事，一些力所能及的小事。
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And I'm thankful for my daughters.
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我非常感谢我的两位女儿，
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When they come to me,
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当她们来到我身边时，
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they help me to treat the people,
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她们帮助我来治疗那些人，
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to help.
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帮忙等。
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They do everything for them.
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她们什么活儿都做。
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They have done what I desire to do for them.
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她们完成了我的期望。
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PM: What's the best part
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PM: 和你妈妈在一起工作
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of working with your mother,
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最棒的地方是什么？
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and the most challenging part for you?
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还有对你来说最有挑战的事情是什么？
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DM: She's very tough; it's most challenging.
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DM: 她太严格，这是最有挑战性的地方。.
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She always expects us to do more.
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她总是希望我们做的更多。
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And really when you think [you] cannot do it,
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当你真的觉得做不来的时候，
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she will push you, and I can do it.
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她会督促你，然后她去做。
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That's the best part.
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这是最棒的地方。
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She shows us, trains us how to do
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她教我们怎样做，
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and how to be better [people]
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怎样成为一个好人，
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and how to do long hours in surgery --
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如何做长时间的手术——
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300 patients per day,
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一天300个病人，
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10, 20 surgeries,
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10到20个手术，
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and still you have to manage the camp --
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然后还要管理营地，
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that's how she trains us.
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这就是她如何训练我们的。
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It is not like beautiful offices here,
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可不像这里的办公室，
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20 patients, you're tired.
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就诊20个病人，然后你累了。
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You see 300 patients, 20 surgeries
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我们要看300个病人，做20个手术，
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and 90,000 people to manage.
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还有9万个人要去管理。
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PM: But you do it for good reasons.
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PM: 但是你们这样做是如此有意义。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
08:25
Wait. Wait.
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等一下，等一下
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HA: Thank you.
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HA: 谢谢
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DM: Thank you.
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DM: 谢谢
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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HA: Thank you very much. DM: Thank you very much.
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HA：非常感谢。（DM：非常感谢。）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dr. Hawa Abdi + Dr. Deqo Mohamed - Somali doctors who treat women refugeesDr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free.
Why you should listen
Dr. Hawa Abdi is an OB/GYN (and a lawyer) who lives and works in Somalia with her daughters, also doctors, Dr. Amina Mohamed and Dr. Dr. Deqo Mohamed. In 1983, she opened a small clinic in Somalia -- which became a refuge as Somalia devolved into civil war. Her one-room clinic has grown to encompass a hospital, a school and a refugee camp for some 90,000 women and children, she estimates, who were displaced by war.
In 2010, Glamour named Dr. Abdi and her daughters "Women of the Year," and called them the "Saints of Somalia." Nicholas Kristoff wrote a stirring tribute to her work titled "Heroic, Female and Muslim." And she works largely on her own; as Glamour notes: "While Dr. Abdi has gotten some help, many charities refuse to enter Somalia. 'It’s the most dangerous country,' says Kati Marton, a board member of Human Rights Watch. 'Dr. Abdi is just about the only one doing anything.'"
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