ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.

Why you should listen

On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.

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Carrie Poppy: A scientific approach to the paranormal

嘉莉·帕比: 用科学来解释超自然现象

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嘉莉·帕比被什么缠身了？是鬼或是什么更糟糕的东西吗？在这个演讲中，身为调查记者的嘉莉分享了令她感到毛骨悚然的遭遇，而你也会想要由此提醒并和你的朋友们解释为什么我们需要用科学来解释超自然现象。
- Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio

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00:12
Eight八 years年份 ago前, I was haunted闹鬼
by an evil邪恶 spirit精神.
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八年前，我遭遇了闹鬼。
00:20
I was 25 at the time,
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那时我25岁，
00:22
and I was living活的 in a tiny小 house屋
behind背后 someone有人 else's别人的 house屋
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在洛杉矶住在一个别人房子后面的
00:26
in Los洛杉矶 Angeles洛杉矶.
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小房子里。
00:28
It was this guest客人 house屋,
it had kind类 of been dilapidated残破,
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那个房子是一个很破旧的客房，
00:31
not taken采取 care关心 of for a long time.
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很长时间没有人维护了。
00:34
And one night, I was sitting坐在 there
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一天晚上，我坐在里面，
00:38
and I got this really spooky幽灵般的 feeling感觉,
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然后觉得异常的阴森恐怖，
00:42
kind类 of the feeling感觉
like you're being存在 watched看着.
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仿佛有人在看着我。
00:45
But no one was there except除 my two dogs小狗,
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但除了我跟我的两只狗以外，并无其他人，
00:48
and they were just chewing咀嚼 their其 feet脚.
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狗狗在咬它们的爪子。
00:51
And I looked看着 around. No one was there.
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我又四处看了看。的确没人。
00:55
And I thought, OK,
it's just my imagination想像力.
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好吧，可能只是我的幻想吧。
00:59
But the feeling感觉 just kept不停 getting得到 worse更差,
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但这种感觉却愈加强烈，
01:02
and I started开始 to feel
this pressure压力 in my chest胸部,
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我开始觉得胸闷，
01:07
sort分类 of like the feeling感觉
when you get bad坏 news新闻.
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就像你听到坏消息时候的那种感觉。
01:10
But it started开始 to sink水槽 lower降低 and lower降低
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胸越来越沉，
01:13
and almost几乎 hurt伤害.
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都快疼起来了。
01:16
And over the course课程 of that week周,
this feeling感觉 got worse更差 and worse更差,
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那一周里，这种感觉越来越糟糕。
01:19
and I started开始 to become成为 convinced相信
that something was there
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我慢慢相信在我小小的客房里
01:25
in my little guest客人 house屋, haunting令人难以忘怀 me.
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真的有鬼在缠着我。
01:30
And I started开始 to hear听 these sounds声音,
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同时，我也开始听见一些声音，
01:33
this "whoosh嗖," kind类 of whisper耳语,
like something passing通过 through通过 me.
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“呜呜呜，”仿佛有东西从我身上呼啸而过。
01:40
I called叫 my best最好 friend朋友, Claire克莱尔, and said,
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我打电话给了我最好的朋友，克莱尔，告诉她，
01:45
"I know this is going to sound声音 crazy疯,
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你可能会觉得我疯了，
01:48
but, umUM ...
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但是……
01:50
I think there's a ghost鬼 in my house屋,
and I need to get rid摆脱 of it."
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我屋里有鬼，我得驱走它。
01:55
And she said -- she's very
open-minded思想开明的 -- and she said,
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然后，非常开明的她，说道，
02:00
"I don't think you're crazy疯.
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我并不认为你疯了，
02:01
I think you just need
to do a cleansing净化 ritual仪式."
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我认为你需要一个驱魔法事。
02:05
(Laughter笑声)
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（笑声）
02:07
"So get some sage智者 and burn烧伤 it,
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“找一些鼠尾草，然后烧掉，
02:12
and tell it to go away."
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把鬼驱走。”
02:15
So I said, "OK,"
and I went去 and I bought买 sage智者.
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“好的，”我说道。然后买了鼠尾草来烧。
02:19
I had never doneDONE this before,
so I set组 the sage智者 on fire火,
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我从没干过这种事情，我点燃了鼠尾草，
02:23
waved挥手 it about, and said, "Go away!
This is my house屋! I live生活 here.
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四处挥舞，并说道，“快走！
这是我的房子，我住这儿。
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You don't live生活 here!"
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你才不住这儿呢！”
02:32
But the feeling感觉 stayed住.
Nothing got better.
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但我仍然感觉异样，事情没有好转。
02:35
And then I started开始 to think,
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然后我开始想，
02:38
OK, well now this thing is probably大概
just laughing笑 at me,
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呵呵，这个鬼现在应该在嘲笑我吧，
02:40
because it hasn't有没有 left,
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因为它并没有被赶走。
02:43
and I probably大概 just look like
this impotent无能, powerless无力 thing
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我差不多就是个赶不走鬼的
02:46
that couldn't不能 get it to go away.
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废人了。
02:48
So every一切 day I'd come home
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每天我回家，
02:52
and you guys, this feeling感觉 got so bad坏
that -- I mean, I'm laughing笑 at it now --
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由于太过难受，我甚至每晚都坐在床上哭。
02:58
but I would sit坐 there in bed床
and cry哭 every一切 night.
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现在回想觉得有点好笑。
03:03
And the feeling感觉 on my chest胸部
got worse更差 and worse更差.
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但当时我胸部的压迫感越来越严重，
03:08
It was physically物理 painful痛苦.
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已经算生理上的疼痛了。
03:11
And I even went去 to a psychiatrist心理医生
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我甚至去看了一个精神科的医生，
03:14
and tried试着 to get her
to prescribe规定 me medicine医学,
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试图能从她那儿开点药。
03:18
and she wouldn't不会 just because
I don't have schizophrenia精神分裂症, OK.
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她以我没有精神分裂为理由，拒绝了我。
03:22
(Laughter笑声)
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（笑声）
03:25
So finally最后 I got on the internet互联网,
and I Googled谷歌搜索 "hauntings恶鬼出没."
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最终，我上网，搜索了“闹鬼”。
03:32
And I came来了 upon上 this forum论坛
of ghost鬼 hunters猎人.
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我发现了一个猎鬼者聚集的论坛。
03:35
But these were a special特别
kind类 of ghost鬼 hunters猎人 --
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其中有一群人——
03:38
they were skeptics怀疑论者.
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他们是怀疑论者，
03:39
They believed相信 that every一切 case案件 of ghosts鬼
that they had investigated调查 so far远
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并坚信，每一例他们所调查过的闹鬼事件，
03:45
had been explained解释 away by science科学.
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都能被科学澄清。
03:47
And I was like, "OK, smart聪明 guys,
this is what's happening事件 to me,
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然后，我留言写下了我的经历，
03:51
and if you have an explanation说明 for me,
I would love to hear听 it."
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“学霸们，真想听一下你们
对我遭遇的事情作何解释。”
03:55
And one of them said, "OK.
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有一个人回复，“嗯。
03:58
Um庵, have you heard听说
of carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 poisoning中毒?"
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你有没有听过一氧化碳中毒？”
04:04
And I said, "Yeah.
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我回复，“有啊。
04:09
Like, gas加油站 poisoning中毒?"
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是气体中毒么？”
04:12
Carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 poisoning中毒
is when you have a gas加油站 leak泄漏
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一氧化碳中毒发生于煤气泄漏的时候，
04:15
leaking泄漏 into your home.
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泄漏到了你家里。
04:17
I looked看着 it up, and the symptoms症状
of carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 poisoning中毒
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我查了一氧化碳中毒的症状，
04:23
include包括 a pressure压力 on your chest胸部,
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有胸闷，
04:26
auditory听觉 hallucinations幻觉 -- whoosh嗖 --
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幻听——呼——
04:30
and an unexplained原因不明 feeling感觉 of dread恐惧.
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及莫名的恐惧感。
04:35
So that night, I called叫 the gas加油站 company公司.
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当晚，我就打电话给了煤气公司，
04:38
I said, "I have an emergency急.
I need you to come out.
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“我这里有个紧急情况，需要你们马上过来一趟。
04:42
I don't want to get into the story故事 now,
but I need you to come out."
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你们先来，我一时半会儿说不完事情的前因后果。“
04:45
(Laughter笑声)
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（笑声）
04:46
They came来了 out. I said,
"I suspect疑似 a gas加油站 leak泄漏."
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他们来了，我说，“我怀疑有煤气泄漏。”
04:49
They brought带 their其 carbon碳
monoxide一氧化碳 detector探测器,
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然后他们用了一氧化碳探测器，
04:51
and the man said,
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其中一人说道，
04:54
"It's a really good thing
that you called叫 us tonight今晚,
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“还好你今晚叫了我们，
04:57
because you could have been
dead死 very soon不久."
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否则你很有可能很快就死掉了。“
05:01
Thirty-seven三十七 percent百分 of Americans美国人
believe in haunted闹鬼 houses房屋,
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37%的美国人相信有房子会闹鬼，
05:07
and I wonder奇迹 how many许多 of them
have been in one
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我想知道有多少人是遭遇过这样的房子，
05:11
and how many许多 of them have been in danger危险.
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而有多少人其实是身处危险中的。
05:16
So that haunting令人难以忘怀 story故事
has led me to my job工作.
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那段闹鬼遭遇，促使我做了现在的工作。
05:21
I'm an investigator研究者, and I'm
an investigator研究者 in two senses感官:
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我是一个两种意义上的调查者，
05:24
I'm an investigative研究 journalist记者,
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一来，我是一个调查记者，
05:26
and I'm also也 an investigator研究者
of the claims索赔 of the paranormal超自然
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二来，我也是那些超自然事件的调查者，
05:29
and claims索赔 of the spiritual精神.
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调查那些关于鬼魂的事件。
05:31
And that means手段 a few少数 things.
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这就意味着，
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Sometimes有时 that means手段 that I'm pretending假装
to need an exorcism驱魔
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有时我得假装我需要驱魔，
05:36
so I can get -- yes, that's right! --
so I can go to an exorcist祓魔师
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这样我才能，对了，去找驱魔师，
05:41
and see if he's using运用 gimmicks噱头
or psychological心理 tricks技巧
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看看他是不是在用诡计
05:45
to try to convince说服 someone有人
that they're possessed拥有.
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骗那些已经入魔了的人。
05:47
Sometimes有时 that means手段
I'm going undercover秘密 in a fringe边缘 group组
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有时候我得打入边缘群体内部，
05:51
which哪一个 I report报告 on
for a podcast播客 that I co-host协办.
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这我也在播客里报道过。
05:54
And I've doneDONE over 70 investigations调查
like this with my co-host协办, Ross罗斯.
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我和我的搭档罗斯一起
调查了类似的70宗事件。
05:59
I would love to tell you
that nine九 times时 out of 10, science科学 wins胜,
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我很想告诉大家，
90%的情况下，都是科学赢了，
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saves节省 the day, it's all explained解释.
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化险为夷，真相大白。
06:07
That's not true真正.
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但事实并非如此。
06:08
The truth真相 is, 10 times时 out of 10,
science科学 wins胜, it saves节省 the day.
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事实是，100%的情况下，
科学赢了，真相大白。
06:14
(Applause掌声)
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（掌声）
06:27
And that doesn't mean
there's no such这样 thing as a mystery神秘.
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这并不是说，世界上无迷可言。
06:29
Of course课程 there are mysteries奥秘,
but a mystery神秘 is a mystery神秘.
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当然有未解之谜，但迷就是迷。
06:33
It is not a ghost鬼.
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不是鬼。
06:36
Now, I believe there are
two kinds种 of truth真相,
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现在我认为，世上的真相有两种，
06:40
and it's taken采取 me a while to get
to this place地点, but I think this is right,
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尽管我想了很久才得出这个结论，
但我认为它是正确的，
06:44
so hear听 me out.
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所以请容我来谈一谈。
06:45
I think there is outer外 truth真相
and there's inner内 truth真相.
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我认为世上有外在的真相和内在的真相。
06:48
So if you say to me,
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如果你对我说，
06:52
"There was a man named命名 Jesus耶稣
and he once一旦 existed存在,"
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“曾有一个人叫耶稣，他曾存在过，”
06:54
that's outer外 truth真相, right?
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这是一个外在的事实对吧？
06:56
And we can go and look
at the historical历史的 record记录.
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我们有历史记录可查。
06:58
We can determine确定
whether是否 that seems似乎 to be true真正.
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我们可以决定这个事是否真实。
07:01
And I would argue争论,
it does seem似乎 to be true真正.
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而且我觉得，的确像是真的。
07:03
If you say, "Jesus耶稣 rose玫瑰
from the dead死," -- ooh嚯, trickier棘手.
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如果你说，“耶稣死而复生”——有点难办。
07:09
(Laughter笑声)
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（笑声）
07:12
I would say that's an outer-truth外真相 claim要求,
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我会说这是一个客观事实的主张，
07:19
because he physically物理 rose玫瑰 or he didn't.
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根据他是否复活的事实。
07:21
I'm not going to get into
whether是否 he rose玫瑰 or he didn't,
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我不是要去证明他到底有没有复活，
07:24
but I would say
that's an outer-truth外真相 claim要求.
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而是说这是一个客观事实陈述。
07:26
It happened发生 or it didn't happen发生.
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发生了，或者没有发生。
07:28
But if you say, "I don't care关心
whether是否 he rose玫瑰 from the dead死.
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但如果你说：“不管他有没有复活，
07:31
It's symbolically象征 important重要 to me,
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这件事对我来说就是象征性地重要，
07:34
and that metaphor隐喻 is so meaningful富有意义的,
so purposeful有目的的 to me,
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这现象对我来说是非常有意义的、意味深远的，
07:37
and I'm not going to try
to persuade说服 you of it,"
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而我也没有要尝试说服你同意我。
07:39
now you've moved移动 it
from outer外 truth真相 to inner内 truth真相,
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现在你已经把这从客观事实转换成主观事实，
07:42
from science科学 to art艺术.
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从科学转变成艺术。
07:44
And I think we have a tendency趋势
to not be clear明确 about this,
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我认为我们有不想搞清楚这些事情的倾向，
07:47
to try to move移动 our inner内 truths真理
to outer外 truths真理,
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不想将我们认定的主观事实转换成客观事实，
07:50
or to not be fair公平 about it to each每 other,
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或者给予这两种事实不公平的认同。
07:53
and when people are telling告诉 us
their其 inner内 truths真理,
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在人们告诉我们他们的主观事实时
07:56
to try to make them defend保卫 them
by outer-truth外真相 standards标准.
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试着使主观事实抵御着客观事实的准则，
07:59
So I'm talking说 here about outer外 truth真相,
about objective目的 things.
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所以我将要讨论和客观事情有关的客观事实
08:03
And there was an objective目的 reality现实
in my haunted闹鬼 house屋, right?
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有个客观的事实在我被恶灵占据的房子，对吧？
08:08
Now that I've told you about the gas加油站 leak泄漏,
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现在我已经告诉你这是因为瓦斯外泄了，
08:10
I doubt怀疑 a single单 person人 here
would be like,
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但我怀疑这里有个人还是会觉得，
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"I still think there was a ghost鬼, too" --
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“我还是认为那里有鬼”——
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(Laughter笑声)
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（笑声）
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because as soon不久 as we have
these scientific科学 explanations说明,
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因为一当我们有这些科学解释时，
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we know to give up the ghost鬼.
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我们就知道该放弃有鬼的的想法了。
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We use these things as stopgaps权宜之计
for things that we can't explain说明.
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我们用这些想法来暂时解决
我们所无法解释的事情，
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We don't believe them because of evidence证据;
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我们不因为有证据而不相信；
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we believe them because
of a lack缺乏 of evidence证据.
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我们却因为缺少证据而相信。
08:30
So there is a group组 in Los洛杉矶 Angeles洛杉矶
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所以在洛杉矶有个组织，
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called叫 the Independent独立
Investigations调查 Group组, or the IIGIIG,
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叫做独立调查组织，或是IIG（英文简称），
08:36
and they do great work.
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他们做得很棒。
08:38
They'll他们会 give a $10,000 prize奖
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他们提供10000美金的奖赏，
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to anyone任何人 who can show显示,
under下 scientific科学 conditions条件,
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给任何可以在科学佐证下，
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that they have a paranormal超自然 ability能力.
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展现他们超自然能力的人。
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No one's那些 doneDONE it yet然而,
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目前没有人做过这个，
08:49
but they've他们已经 had a couple一对 people
who claim要求 that they were clairaudientsclairaudients,
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但他们让几个声称他们有阴阳耳的人，
08:54
which哪一个 means手段 that they can hear听 voices声音
either或 from the great beyond外
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也就是他们可以听到来自阴间的声音，
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or they can read读 minds头脑.
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或是有读心术。
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And they had one person人
who was very sincere真诚,
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然后他们找了一个很诚实，
09:03
who believed相信 that he could read读 minds头脑.
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真的相信自己有读心术的人。
09:06
And a lot of these people --
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他们开始测试他，而这总是有效。
09:09
(Laughter笑声)
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That wasn't不 a laugh笑 line线, but OK.
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这个组织说，
“好！我们有一套方法，
我们可以用科学方法验证你的能力。
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A lot of these people really are sincere真诚,
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你同意吗？“
那个人说好，然后他们开始测试。
09:20
and I believe this guy was.
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取得双方同意是非常重要的事情。
09:22
He really thought he had this power功率.
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他们开始测试他。
09:24
So they set组 up a test测试 with him,
and this is the way it always works作品.
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他们说：“好，你知道吗？
你没有能力预测丽莎在想什么。
09:30
The group组 says说, "OK, we have a protocol协议,
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这只是偶然的吻合。
09:32
we have a way to scientifically科学 test测试 this.
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你似乎没有超能力。“
09:34
Do you agree同意 with it?"
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这给了他们一个赋予同理心的机会，
09:35
The person人 says说 yes. Then they test测试 it.
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坐下来进行一个艰难的讨论，
09:37
It's very important重要 that both都 sides双方 agree同意.
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09:39
They did that, they tested测试 him.
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09:42
They said, "OK, you know what?
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基本上等同于，
“嘿！我们知道你是诚实的，而我们的意思是，
09:44
You weren't不 able能够 to predict预测
what Lisa丽莎 was thinking思维.
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09:48
It matched匹配 up about the same相同 as chance机会.
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你真的听到了一些声音，
但只是来自你自己脑中。”
09:50
Looks容貌 like you don't have the power功率."
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而那个人需要作出一个艰难，
09:52
And that gave给 them the opportunity机会
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to compassionately同情 sit坐 down with him
and have a very difficult难 discussion讨论,
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几乎要改变命运的决定，
关于是否要寻求协助。
09:59
which哪一个 basically基本上 amounted达 to,
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10:01
"Hey, we know you're sincere真诚,
and what that means手段 is,
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我们事实上是在帮助人们做出一些连结，
10:06
you do hear听 something in your head头."
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将一些以前似乎会用
有另一个世界来解释的事情，
10:08
And that's a tough强硬 thing to face面对.
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10:11
(Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)
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拉回到现实层面，
而这或许可以让我们的生活更美好。
10:16
But that day, that guy got to make
the very difficult难 decision决定,
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另一方面，或许哪天鬼会变成事实。
10:22
but really the life-changing改变生活 decision决定
about whether是否 to go get help.
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或许我们会发现这世上真的有鬼。
这将会是最棒的事情！
10:29
(Laughter笑声)
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每当我听到有关这方面的调查时，
我还是会非常兴奋，
10:31
But that really could be
the first day of the rest休息 of your life,
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我就像是有75分感兴趣，
但当到达76分感兴趣时，
我就会说：“这就是了！”
10:36
because when we challenge挑战 these beliefs信仰,
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（笑声）
10:40
we're actually其实 helping帮助 people
to make these connections连接
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或许我只是常常很乐观，
但我希望我不要失去这样的希望，
10:45
that maybe before seemed似乎 like
otherworldly空想的 explanations说明,
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我鼓励你采取一样的态度，
用在别人们和你分享他们的客观事实时。
10:50
help draw画 us into reality现实
and maybe change更改 our lives生活 for the better.
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当谈论到可以辩论的主张时，
给他们足够的尊重，
让他们提出些很棒的问题。
10:57
Now, on the other hand手,
maybe one time it'll它会 turn转 out to be true真正.
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挑战并观察你可以怎么一起检视他们，
因为你无法相信一个看法，
11:03
Maybe we'll好 find out there are ghosts鬼,
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而一直挑战它，这是不对的。
11:05
and holy圣 shit拉屎, it will be the best最好 thing!
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11:08
And every一切 time I do
one of these investigations调查,
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当我们转动锁，当我们检视主张，
11:10
I still get so excited兴奋,
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我们会说：好的，我尊重你，
我会听你想说的话，
11:12
and I'm like 75 into them,
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11:14
and still I swear发誓 on number数 76,
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
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我将会和你一起验证。
我们都有这样的经验，
当你在告诉某人某些事情时，
11:18
(Laughter笑声)
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11:20
Maybe I'm just eternally万古 optimistic乐观,
but I hope希望 I never lose失去 this hope希望,
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他们会说：“哇，这真的非常有趣，对诶，”
你可以知道你被认同了。
11:24
and I invite邀请 you to take
this same相同 attitude态度
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但当他们说：“真的吗？唔。
11:28
when people share分享
their其 outer外 beliefs信仰 with you.
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这听起来有点陌生，不过我正在听。”
11:31
When talking说 about testable可测试 claims索赔,
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至少你知道，你是被肯定且受尊重的。
11:33
respect尊重 them enough足够 to ask问
these good questions问题.
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这也是一种我们对他人看法
需要有表现的态度。
11:37
Challenge挑战 and see
how you can examine检查 them together一起,
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表现出你重视别人在说什么。
11:40
because there's this idea理念
that you can't respect尊重 a belief信仰
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这是尊重。
11:44
and still challenge挑战 it,
but that's not true真正.
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没错，多数的调查都没什么结果，
11:47
When we jiggle轻摇 the lock锁,
when we test测试 the claim要求,
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11:49
we're saying话, OK, I respect尊重 you,
I'm listening听 to what you're saying话,
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但这就是所有科学的运作方式。
到目前为止，每个治疗癌症的方法
都还没成功，
11:53
I'm going to test测试 it out with you.
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11:55
We've我们已经 all had that experience经验
where you're telling告诉 someone有人 something,
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但我们并没有停止追寻。
11:59
and they're like, "Oh,
that's really interesting有趣, yeah,"
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这有两个原因。
第一，这答案很重要。
12:01
you know you're being存在 had.
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不管我们是探索晚年还是超自然现象，
或是癌症的治疗方法，
12:04
But when someone有人 says说, "Really? Huh.
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这全部都指向一个共同的问题：
12:08
Sounds声音 a little sketchy略 to me,
but I'm listening听,"
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我们需要花多少时间来解决这些问题？
12:10
you at least最小 know
you're being存在 engaged订婚 and respected尊敬.
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12:13
And that's the kind类 of attitude态度
we should have with these claims索赔.
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第二，因为寻找真相，
12:16
That's showing展示 someone有人
that you care关心 what they're saying话.
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敞开心胸，
乐于犯错并且改变你的世界观
12:19
That's respect尊重.
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是令人振奋的。
12:25
Now, yes, most最 of these searches搜索
will come up empty空,
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我每次听到有关鬼的故事
还是都非常兴奋。
12:29
but that's how all of science科学 works作品.
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我依旧认为每个我加入的组织
很有可能是对的，
12:32
Every一切 cure治愈 for cancer癌症 so far远
has not panned的锅 out,
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而我也希望从不失去希望。
我们都别失去希望，
12:36
but we don't stop looking,
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因为找寻客观的事实
12:38
for two reasons原因.
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会帮助我们更了解内在事实。
12:40
Because number数 one, the answer回答 matters事项.
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12:42
Whether是否 it's looking at the afterlife来世
or the paranormal超自然 or the cure治愈 for cancer癌症,
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除此之外，请大家在家里
安置一个一氧化碳检探测器。
12:46
it all amounts量 to the same相同 question题:
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12:48
How long will we be here?
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谢谢。
（掌声）
12:52
And two, because looking for the truth真相,
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12:56
being存在 open-minded思想开明的,
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12:57
and being存在 willing愿意 to be wrong错误
and to change更改 your whole整个 worldview世界观
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13:02
is awe-inspiring凛然.
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13:05
I still get excited兴奋 at ghost鬼 stories故事
every一切 single单 time.
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13:09
I still consider考虑 that every一切 group组
I join加入 might威力 be right,
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13:12
and I hope希望 I never lose失去 that hope希望.
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13:14
Let's all never lose失去 that hope希望,
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13:15
because searching搜索 for what's out there
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13:18
helps帮助 us understand理解 what's in here.
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13:21
And also也, please have
a carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 detector探测器 in your home.
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13:29
Thank you.
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13:30
(Applause掌声)
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Translated by Jiawei Ni
Reviewed by Ellen Tung

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.

Why you should listen

On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.

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