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Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.

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On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.

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Carrie Poppy: A scientific approach to the paranormal

嘉莉 帕比: 用科學方法來解釋超自然現象

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嘉莉 帕比被什麼纏身了？是鬼或是什麼更糟糕的東西呢？在這個演講中，調查記者解說了令她感到毛骨悚然的遭遇，是你和你的朋友應該要警覺的。她也解釋為什麼我們需要用科學來解釋超自然現象。
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Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio. Full bio

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八年前，我曾被惡靈糾纏。
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Eight八 years年份 ago前, I was haunted鬧鬼
by an evil邪惡 spirit精神.
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I was 25 at the time,
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當時我 25 歲，
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and I was living活的 in a tiny小 house屋
behind背後 someone有人 else's別人的 house屋
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住在別人房子後面的一個小房子裡，
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in Los洛杉磯 Angeles洛杉磯.
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在洛杉磯。
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It was this guest客人 house屋,
it had kind類 of been dilapidated殘破,
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就是這一間殘破不堪的客房，
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not taken採取 care關心 of for a long time.
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已經很長時間不曾被打理。
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And one night, I was sitting坐在 there
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一天晚上，我坐在那裡，
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and I got this really spooky幽靈般的 feeling感覺,
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突然有一股毛骨悚然的感覺。
00:42
kind類 of the feeling感覺
like you're being存在 watched看著.
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就好比有人在某處觀察你。
00:45
But no one was there except除 my two dogs小狗,
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但是除了我的兩隻狗以外，
沒有人在周圍，
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and they were just chewing咀嚼 their其 feet腳.
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而且牠們當時在舔舐自己的腳。
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And I looked看著 around. No one was there.
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我四處張望了一下，沒有任何人。
00:55
And I thought, OK,
it's just my imagination想像力.
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於是我想，好吧，這只是我的幻想。
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But the feeling感覺 just kept不停 getting得到 worse更差,
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但是那種感覺越來越強烈，
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and I started開始 to feel
this pressure壓力 in my chest胸部,
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我開始感覺到胸部的壓迫感，
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sort分類 of like the feeling感覺
when you get bad壞 news新聞.
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就像是你聽到壞消息的感覺。
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But it started開始 to sink水槽 lower降低 and lower降低
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那種壓迫感漸漸遍佈全身，
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and almost幾乎 hurt傷害.
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幾乎有種受傷的感覺，
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And over the course課程 of that week週,
this feeling感覺 got worse更差 and worse更差,
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在那一週裡，這種感覺不斷惡化，
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and I started開始 to become成為 convinced相信
that something was there
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於是我開始確信有「東西」在那裡，
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in my little guest客人 house屋, haunting令人難以忘懷 me.
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在我的小客房裡面，纏著我。
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And I started開始 to hear聽 these sounds聲音,
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我開始聽到一些聲音，
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this "whoosh嗖," kind類 of whisper耳語,
like something passing通過 through通過 me.
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像是某種東西穿過我，嘶嘶低語。
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I called叫 my best最好 friend朋友, Claire克萊爾, and said,
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我打電話給最要好的朋友克萊爾，說：
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"I know this is going to sound聲音 crazy瘋,
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「我知道這聽起來很不可思議。
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but, umUM ...
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但是，嗯......
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I think there's a ghost鬼 in my house屋,
and I need to get rid擺脫 of it."
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我覺得我家鬧鬼了，需要處理掉它。」
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And she said -- she's very
open-minded思想開明的 -- and she said,
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她的思想開明，回答說：
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"I don't think you're crazy瘋.
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「我不覺得你瘋了。
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I think you just need
to do a cleansing淨化 ritual儀式."
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我覺得你只需要個驅邪的儀式。」
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(Laughter笑聲)
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（笑聲）
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"So get some sage智者 and burn燒傷 it,
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「去買一些鼠尾草來燒，
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and tell it to go away."
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叫它滾開。」
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So I said, "OK,"
and I went去 and I bought買 sage智者.
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於是我說：「好的。」
然後我去買了一些鼠尾草。
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I had never doneDONE this before,
so I set組 the sage智者 on fire火,
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我未曾這樣做過，點燃了鼠尾草，
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waved揮手 it about, and said, "Go away!
This is my house屋! I live生活 here.
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並四處揮舞著說：「快滾開！
這是我的家！我住在這裡。
你不住這裡！」
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You don't live生活 here!"
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But the feeling感覺 stayed住.
Nothing got better.
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但是那種詭異的感覺仍在，
事情並沒好轉。
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And then I started開始 to think,
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於是我開始思考，
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OK, well now this thing is probably大概
just laughing笑 at me,
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好吧，也許這東西現在正在嘲笑我，
02:40
because it hasn't有沒有 left,
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因為它並沒有離去，
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and I probably大概 just look like
this impotent無能, powerless無力 thing
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而且我無能為力、失去力氣，
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that couldn't不能 get it to go away.
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無法叫它離開。
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So every一切 day I'd come home
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所以每天我回到家，
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and you guys, this feeling感覺 got so bad壞
that -- I mean, I'm laughing笑 at it now --
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你們知道嗎？這感覺真的很糟──
意思是，雖然我現在能笑著說這件事，
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but I would sit坐 there in bed床
and cry哭 every一切 night.
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但我當時卻是每晚都坐在床上哭。
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And the feeling感覺 on my chest胸部
got worse更差 and worse更差.
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我胸口感覺越來越糟。
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It was physically物理 painful痛苦.
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這是一種身體上的痛苦。
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And I even went去 to a psychiatrist心理醫生
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我甚至去看了心理醫生，
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and tried試著 to get her
to prescribe規定 me medicine醫學,
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試著說服她開藥給我，
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and she wouldn't不會 just because
I don't have schizophrenia精神分裂症, OK.
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她當然不會開藥給我，
因為我沒精神病。
啊，好吧。
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(Laughter笑聲)
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（笑聲）
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So finally最後 I got on the internet互聯網,
and I Googled谷歌搜索 "hauntings惡鬼出沒."
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最後，我上網搜尋「鬧鬼」。
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And I came來了 upon上 this forum論壇
of ghost鬼 hunters獵人.
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然後我找到了一個集結了驅魔師的論壇。
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But these were a special特別
kind類 of ghost鬼 hunters獵人 --
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但是有這麼一類特別的驅魔師──
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they were skeptics懷疑論者.
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他們是懷疑論者。
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They believed相信 that every一切 case案件 of ghosts鬼
that they had investigated調查 so far遠
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他們相信目前為止他們所
調查的所有與鬼相關的案件中，
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had been explained解釋 away by science科學.
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都可以被科學解釋。
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And I was like, "OK, smart聰明 guys,
this is what's happening事件 to me,
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我說：「好吧，聰明的人們，
這是發生在我身上的事情。
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and if you have an explanation說明 for me,
I would love to hear聽 it."
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如果你們能解釋，我會很樂意聆聽。」
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And one of them said, "OK.
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他們其中一人說：
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Um庵, have you heard聽說
of carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 poisoning中毒?"
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「好。你聽過一氧化碳中毒嗎？」
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And I said, "Yeah.
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我說：「嗯，有啊。」
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Like, gas加油站 poisoning中毒?"
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「像是瓦斯中毒？」
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Carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 poisoning中毒
is when you have a gas加油站 leak洩漏
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一氧化碳中毒是瓦斯外洩到你的家中，
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leaking洩漏 into your home.
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I looked看著 it up, and the symptoms症狀
of carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 poisoning中毒
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我查閱一氧化碳中毒的症狀，包括：
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include包括 a pressure壓力 on your chest胸部,
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胸口感受到壓力，
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auditory聽覺 hallucinations幻覺 -- whoosh嗖 --
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耳朵幻聽嘶嘶的聲音，
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and an unexplained原因不明 feeling感覺 of dread恐懼.
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還有無法解釋的恐懼感。
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So that night, I called叫 the gas加油站 company公司.
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所以那個晚上我打電話給瓦斯公司。
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I said, "I have an emergency急.
I need you to come out.
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我說：「事態緊急，
我需要你們馬上出現！」
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I don't want to get into the story故事 now,
but I need you to come out."
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「我現在不想解釋什麽，
但我需要你們馬上出現。」
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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They came來了 out. I said,
"I suspect疑似 a gas加油站 leak洩漏."
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他們出現後，我說：
「我懷疑我家瓦斯外洩。」
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They brought帶 their其 carbon碳
monoxide一氧化碳 detector探測器,
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他們拿出一氧化碳偵測器，然後說：
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and the man said,
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"It's a really good thing
that you called叫 us tonight今晚,
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「你今晚打電話給我們真是做對了，
要不然你很快就會死了。」
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because you could have been
dead死 very soon不久."
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05:01
Thirty-seven三十七 percent百分 of Americans美國人
believe in haunted鬧鬼 houses房屋,
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37% 的美國人相信凶宅，
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and I wonder奇蹟 how many許多 of them
have been in one
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而我懷疑他們之中
有多少人真的住過凶宅，
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and how many許多 of them have been in danger危險.
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又有多少人真的遭遇過危險。
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So that haunting令人難以忘懷 story故事
has led me to my job工作.
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這個關於惡靈的故事
讓我從事了我的工作。
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I'm an investigator研究者, and I'm
an investigator研究者 in two senses感官:
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我是個調查員，
調查的內容涉及兩塊：
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I'm an investigative研究 journalist記者,
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我是一個調查記者，
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and I'm also也 an investigator研究者
of the claims索賠 of the paranormal超自然
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同時我也研究那些
「超自然現象」和「靈魂」的宣稱。
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and claims索賠 of the spiritual精神.
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And that means手段 a few少數 things.
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這代表了一些事情，
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Sometimes有時 that means手段 that I'm pretending假裝
to need an exorcism驅魔
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有時候這代表
我必須假裝有驅魔的需求，
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so I can get -- yes, that's right! --
so I can go to an exorcist祓魔師
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然後我可以找個……對，就是這樣，
我可以去找一個驅魔師，
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and see if he's using運用 gimmicks噱頭
or psychological心理 tricks技巧
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然後觀察他是不是
在耍花招或玩心理遊戲，
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to try to convince說服 someone有人
that they're possessed擁有.
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來使別人相信他們真的中邪了。
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Sometimes有時 that means手段
I'm going undercover秘密 in a fringe邊緣 group組
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這也代表著身為和別人合作的播客，
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which哪一個 I report報告 on
for a podcast播客 that I co-host協辦.
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有時候我得偷偷混進
我做報告的邊緣團體。
05:54
And I've doneDONE over 70 investigations調查
like this with my co-host協辦, Ross羅斯.
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我和我的夥伴蘿絲也已經
做了超過 70 次像這樣的調查。
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I would love to tell you
that nine九 times時 out of 10, science科學 wins勝,
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我很想告訴你
十次有九次是科學勝出，
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saves節省 the day, it's all explained解釋.
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科學救了大家，解釋了這一切。
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That's not true真正.
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但情況不是這樣。
06:08
The truth真相 is, 10 times時 out of 10,
science科學 wins勝, it saves節省 the day.
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事實上十次中有十次
科學贏了，救了大家。
06:14
(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
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And that doesn't mean
there's no such這樣 thing as a mystery神秘.
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但這並不代表謎團不存在。
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Of course課程 there are mysteries奧秘,
but a mystery神秘 is a mystery神秘.
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當然還是有謎團，
但謎團就是謎團，
並不是鬼。
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It is not a ghost鬼.
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06:36
Now, I believe there are
two kinds種 of truth真相,
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我認為有兩種真相，
06:40
and it's taken採取 me a while to get
to this place地點, but I think this is right,
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花了一些時間我才想通，
我認為應該就是這樣，
所以請耐心聽我說。
06:44
so hear聽 me out.
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我認為有「外在真相」和「內在真相」。
06:45
I think there is outer外 truth真相
and there's inner內 truth真相.
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So if you say to me,
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如果你告訴我：
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"There was a man named命名 Jesus耶穌
and he once一旦 existed存在,"
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「曾經有個名叫耶穌的人。」
06:54
that's outer外 truth真相, right?
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這是外在真相，對吧？
06:56
And we can go and look
at the historical歷史的 record記錄.
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我們查看歷史紀錄
就可判斷是否屬實。
06:58
We can determine確定
whether是否 that seems似乎 to be true真正.
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07:01
And I would argue爭論,
it does seem似乎 to be true真正.
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而我會說，的確看似是個事實。
07:03
If you say, "Jesus耶穌 rose玫瑰
from the dead死," -- ooh嚯, trickier棘手.
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如果你說：「耶穌從死裡復生。」
噢，那就有點棘手了。
07:09
(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
07:12
I would say that's an outer-truth外真相 claim要求,
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我會說那是個外在真相的主張，
07:19
because he physically物理 rose玫瑰 or he didn't.
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要不祂復活了，要不祂沒復活。
07:21
I'm not going to get into
whether是否 he rose玫瑰 or he didn't,
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我並不是要探討祂到底復活了沒有。
07:24
but I would say
that's an outer-truth外真相 claim要求.
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而是說：這是個外在真相的主張，
07:26
It happened發生 or it didn't happen發生.
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不論祂到底復活了沒有。
07:28
But if you say, "I don't care關心
whether是否 he rose玫瑰 from the dead死.
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但是，如果你說的是：
「我不管祂是不是從死裡復活，
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It's symbolically象徵 important重要 to me,
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這象徵對我很重要，
07:34
and that metaphor隱喻 is so meaningful富有意義的,
so purposeful有目的的 to me,
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這隱喻非常有意義、意味很深遠，
07:37
and I'm not going to try
to persuade說服 you of it,"
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而我也沒想要說服你。」
07:39
now you've moved移動 it
from outer外 truth真相 to inner內 truth真相,
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你就已經轉外在真相為內在真相，
07:42
from science科學 to art藝術.
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轉科學為藝術。
07:44
And I think we have a tendency趨勢
to not be clear明確 about this,
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我認為我們傾向於模糊兩者間的界線，
傾向於把內在真相變成外在真相，
07:47
to try to move移動 our inner內 truths真理
to outer外 truths真理,
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or to not be fair公平 about it to each每 other,
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或者，傾向於不平等地看待兩者，
07:53
and when people are telling告訴 us
their其 inner內 truths真理,
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以致當人們告訴我們他們的內在真相時，
07:56
to try to make them defend保衛 them
by outer-truth外真相 standards標準.
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我們會試著叫他們用外在真相的準則
來為自己的內在真相辯護。
07:59
So I'm talking說 here about outer外 truth真相,
about objective目的 things.
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我在此討論的是外在真相，
是客觀的事物。
08:03
And there was an objective目的 reality現實
in my haunted鬧鬼 house屋, right?
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我的鬼屋有客觀的現實，對吧？
08:08
Now that I've told you about the gas加油站 leak洩漏,
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我已經說過是瓦斯外洩了，
08:10
I doubt懷疑 a single單 person人 here
would be like,
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在座應該不會有人說：
「我仍然認為那裡頭有鬼。」
08:13
"I still think there was a ghost鬼, too" --
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(笑聲)
08:15
(Laughter笑聲)
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因為一旦我們有了科學的解釋，
08:16
because as soon不久 as we have
these scientific科學 explanations說明,
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08:18
we know to give up the ghost鬼.
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就知道該放棄這些「鬼話」了。
08:20
We use these things as stopgaps權宜之計
for things that we can't explain說明.
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我們用這些想法來暫時解決
我們所無法解釋的事情，
08:24
We don't believe them because of evidence證據;
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有了事實證據，我們不再相信「鬼話」；
08:26
we believe them because
of a lack缺乏 of evidence證據.
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只因為缺少證據才相信它。
08:30
So there is a group組 in Los洛杉磯 Angeles洛杉磯
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在洛杉磯有個團體，
08:32
called叫 the Independent獨立
Investigations調查 Group組, or the IIGiig,
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叫做獨立調查組織，英文簡稱 IIG，
08:36
and they do great work.
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他們做了很棒的工作。
08:38
They'll他們會 give a $10,000 prize獎
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他們提供一萬元美金的獎賞，
08:41
to anyone任何人 who can show顯示,
under下 scientific科學 conditions條件,
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給任何可以在科學佐證下，
08:45
that they have a paranormal超自然 ability能力.
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展現他們超自然能力的人。
08:48
No one's那些 doneDONE it yet然而,
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目前為止還沒有人獲得奬金，
08:49
but they've他們已經 had a couple一對 people
who claim要求 that they were clairaudientsclairaudients,
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但他們遇到過幾個
聲稱自己有順風耳的人，
08:54
which哪一個 means手段 that they can hear聽 voices聲音
either或 from the great beyond外
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也就是說，他們能聽到
來自極遠之處的聲音，
08:59
or they can read讀 minds頭腦.
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或是能讀心。
09:00
And they had one person人
who was very sincere真誠,
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他們有個很誠實、
相信自己能讀心的人。
09:03
who believed相信 that he could read讀 minds頭腦.
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09:06
And a lot of these people --
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他們安排測試他，
09:09
(Laughter笑聲)
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事情的發展總是下面這樣。
09:12
That wasn't不 a laugh笑 line線, but OK.
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這團體說：「好！
我們有份科學實驗計劃，
可以用科學方法驗證你的能力。
09:15
A lot of these people really are sincere真誠,
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你同意嗎？」
那個人說好，然後他們開始測試。
09:20
and I believe this guy was.
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雙方都同意是非常重要的。
09:22
He really thought he had this power功率.
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同意了，他們開始測試他。
09:24
So they set組 up a test測試 with him,
and this is the way it always works作品.
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他們說：「好，你知道嗎？
你未能預測麗莎在想什麼。
09:30
The group組 says說, "OK, we have a protocol協議,
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這只是偶然的吻合。
09:32
we have a way to scientifically科學 test測試 this.
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似乎你並沒有超能力。」
09:34
Do you agree同意 with it?"
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這賦予他們一個機會，
09:35
The person人 says說 yes. Then they test測試 it.
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懷抱著同理心，和他坐下來，
進行艱難的討論。
09:37
It's very important重要 that both都 sides雙方 agree同意.
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09:39
They did that, they tested測試 him.
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09:42
They said, "OK, you know what?
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基本上等同於，
「嘿！我們知道你的真誠，
09:44
You weren't不 able能夠 to predict預測
what Lisa麗莎 was thinking思維.
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意思是，
09:48
It matched匹配 up about the same相同 as chance機會.
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你的確在自己的腦海裡
聽到了一些聲音。」
09:50
Looks容貌 like you don't have the power功率."
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那個人需要做個艱難的決定，
09:52
And that gave給 them the opportunity機會
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09:54
to compassionately同情 sit坐 down with him
and have a very difficult難 discussion討論,
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會改變命運的決定，
決定是否要尋求協助。
09:59
which哪一個 basically基本上 amounted達 to,
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事實上我們是在幫助人們
將一些事情連起來，
10:01
"Hey, we know you're sincere真誠,
and what that means手段 is,
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10:06
you do hear聽 something in your head頭."
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將一些以前會用
「有另一個世界」來解釋的事
10:08
And that's a tough強硬 thing to face面對.
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10:11
(Laughter笑聲) (Applause掌聲)
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拉回到現實層面，
而這或許可以讓我們的生活更美好。
10:16
But that day, that guy got to make
the very difficult難 decision決定,
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另一方面，
或許哪天鬼會變成事實。
10:22
but really the life-changing改變生活 decision決定
about whether是否 to go get help.
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或許我們會發現這世上真的有鬼。
真糟糕！這將會是最棒的事情！
10:29
(Laughter笑聲)
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每當我進行有關這方面的調查時，
我還是會非常興奮，
10:31
But that really could be
the first day of the rest休息 of your life,
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就算經歷過 75 件這樣的事，
但我發誓，在碰到第 76 件
這樣的事情時，
10:36
because when we challenge挑戰 these beliefs信仰,
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我會說：「肯定就是它了！」
(笑聲)
10:40
we're actually其實 helping幫助 people
to make these connections連接
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或許我只是個永遠樂觀的人，
但願我永不放棄這樣的希望，
10:45
that maybe before seemed似乎 like
otherworldly空想的 explanations說明,
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我鼓勵你也抱着同樣的態度。
在別人和你分享他們的外在信念時。
10:50
help draw畫 us into reality現實
and maybe change更改 our lives生活 for the better.
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當談及可以被驗證的說法時，
尊重他們，提出好的問題，
10:57
Now, on the other hand手,
maybe one time it'll它會 turn轉 out to be true真正.
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質疑，並一起看看
你們如何能共同驗證它。
有這麼一個說法，認為
「不能質疑你所尊重的信念」，
11:03
Maybe we'll好 find out there are ghosts鬼,
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11:05
and holy聖 shit拉屎, it will be the best最好 thing!
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這是不對的。
11:08
And every一切 time I do
one of these investigations調查,
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當我們轉動鎖、檢視那些主張時，
11:10
I still get so excited興奮,
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我們會說：「好，我尊重你，我聽你說，
11:12
and I'm like 75 into them,
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11:14
and still I swear發誓 on number數 76,
I'm going to be like, "This is the one!"
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我將會和你一起驗證。」
我們都有這樣的經驗，
當你在告訴某人某些事情時，
11:18
(Laughter笑聲)
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他們會說：「喔，真有趣，對耶。」
11:20
Maybe I'm just eternally萬古 optimistic樂觀,
but I hope希望 I never lose失去 this hope希望,
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你就知道你被耍了。
11:24
and I invite邀請 you to take
this same相同 attitude態度
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但當他們說：「真的嗎？嗯？」
11:28
when people share分享
their其 outer外 beliefs信仰 with you.
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「這聽起來有點陌生，不過我正在聽。」
11:31
When talking說 about testable可測試 claims索賠,
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至少你知道，
你正與他交流並且受到尊重。
11:33
respect尊重 them enough足夠 to ask問
these good questions問題.
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面對他人的看法，
這就是我們應該表現的態度。
11:37
Challenge挑戰 and see
how you can examine檢查 them together一起,
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表現出你重視別人在說什麼。
11:40
because there's this idea理念
that you can't respect尊重 a belief信仰
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這是尊重。
11:44
and still challenge挑戰 it,
but that's not true真正.
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沒錯，多數的調查都沒什麼結果，
11:47
When we jiggle輕搖 the lock鎖,
when we test測試 the claim要求,
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11:49
we're saying話, OK, I respect尊重 you,
I'm listening聽 to what you're saying話,
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但所有的科學運作就是如此。
到目前為止，尚未淘汰
每一種癌症的治療法，
11:53
I'm going to test測試 it out with you.
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11:55
We've我們已經 all had that experience經驗
where you're telling告訴 someone有人 something,
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但我們並沒有停止追尋。
11:59
and they're like, "Oh,
that's really interesting有趣, yeah,"
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這有兩個原因。
第一，答案很重要。
12:01
you know you're being存在 had.
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不管我們探索的是死後的生命、
超自然現象，或癌症的治法，
12:04
But when someone有人 says說, "Really? Huh.
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全都指向一個共同的問題：
12:08
Sounds聲音 a little sketchy略 to me,
but I'm listening聽,"
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我們有多少時間？
12:10
you at least最小 know
you're being存在 engaged訂婚 and respected尊敬.
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12:13
And that's the kind類 of attitude態度
we should have with these claims索賠.
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第二，因為探尋事實，
12:16
That's showing展示 someone有人
that you care關心 what they're saying話.
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敞開心胸，
樂於犯錯，且願意改變你的世界觀，
12:19
That's respect尊重.
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是令人振奮的。
12:25
Now, yes, most最 of these searches搜索
will come up empty空,
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每次聽到有關鬼的故事
我還是非常興奮。
12:29
but that's how all of science科學 works作品.
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我依舊認為每個我加入的陣營
有可能是客觀、正確的，
12:32
Every一切 cure治愈 for cancer癌症 so far遠
has not panned的鍋 out,
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而我也希望從不失去希望。
我們都別失去希望，
12:36
but we don't stop looking,
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因為找尋外在的真相
12:38
for two reasons原因.
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會幫助我們更了解內在的真相。
12:40
Because number數 one, the answer回答 matters事項.
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12:42
Whether是否 it's looking at the afterlife來世
or the paranormal超自然 or the cure治愈 for cancer癌症,
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除此之外，請大家在家裡
安置一氧化碳檢探測器。
12:46
it all amounts量 to the same相同 question題:
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12:48
How long will we be here?
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（笑聲）
謝謝大家。
（掌聲）
12:52
And two, because looking for the truth真相,
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12:56
being存在 open-minded思想開明的,
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12:57
and being存在 willing願意 to be wrong錯誤
and to change更改 your whole整個 worldview世界觀
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13:02
is awe-inspiring凜然.
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13:05
I still get excited興奮 at ghost鬼 stories故事
every一切 single單 time.
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13:09
I still consider考慮 that every一切 group組
I join加入 might威力 be right,
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13:12
and I hope希望 I never lose失去 that hope希望.
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13:14
Let's all never lose失去 that hope希望,
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13:15
because searching搜索 for what's out there
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13:18
helps幫助 us understand理解 what's in here.
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13:21
And also也, please have
a carbon碳 monoxide一氧化碳 detector探測器 in your home.
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13:29
Thank you.
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13:30
(Applause掌聲)
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Translated by Jessie Lee
Reviewed by Wilde Luo

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Carrie Poppy - Writer, radio host, comedian
Carrie Poppy tells stories on the fringes of human experience through writing, live storytelling and radio.

Why you should listen

On her podcast, Oh No, Ross and Carrie, Carrie Poppy and her cohost join fringe spiritual groups, undergo freaky alternative medical treatments, and examine any extraordinary claims that come their way. Oh No, Ross and Carrie receives millions of downloads a year and has been celebrated by outlets like The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Gizmodo, Boing Boing, SplitSider and many others. Poppy received her master's degree in investigative journalism from the University of Southern California, and her journalism work can be seen and heard in outlets across the internet and the airwaves. She is now writing a book about cults.

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