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John Lloyd: An animated tour of the invisible
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Gravity. The stars in day. Thoughts. The human genome. Time. Atoms. So much of what really matters in the world is impossible to see. A stunning animation of John Lloyd's classic TEDTalk from 2009, which will make you question what you actually know.
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(Muzika)
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(Circus music)
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[Ted N' Ed's Carnival]
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[Ted i Ed karneval - otvoren svaki dan, ceo dan;
Ju Čub Komon - ulaz sa Gugl autoputa]
Ju Čub Komon - ulaz sa Gugl autoputa]
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[John Lloyd's Inventory of the Invisible]
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[Inventar nevidljivih stvari Džona Lojda]
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[Adapted from a TEDTalk
given by John Lloyd in 2009]
given by John Lloyd in 2009]
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[Adaptirano iz TEDTalk govora
Džona Lojda 2009.]
Džona Lojda 2009.]
Naš sledeći govornik je proveo celu karijeru
evocirajući osećaj radoznalosti.
evocirajući osećaj radoznalosti.
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June Cohen: Our next speaker
has spent his whole career
has spent his whole career
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eliciting that sense of wonder.
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Molim vas pozdravite
Džona Lojda. (Aplauz)
Džona Lojda. (Aplauz)
00:45
Please welcome John Lloyd.
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00:47
(Applause)
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Pitanje je: šta je nevidljivo?
00:48
[Hall of Mirrors]
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The question is, "What is invisible?"
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Mnogo više nego što mislite.
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There's more of it
than you think, actually.
than you think, actually.
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00:55
Everything, I would say --
everything that matters --
everything that matters --
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Sve, rekao bih
– sve što je važno –
– sve što je važno –
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Except every thing, and except matter.
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Osim svake stvari i svake materije.
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We can see matter
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Materiju možemo da vidimo,
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but we can't see what's the matter.
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ali ne možemo videti šta je u pitanju.
01:06
We can see the stars and the planets
but we can't see what holds them apart,
but we can't see what holds them apart,
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Možemo da vidimo zvezde i planete,
ali ne vidimo šta ih razdvaja
ali ne vidimo šta ih razdvaja
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or what draws them together.
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ili šta ih privlači.
01:14
With matter as with people,
we see only the skin of things,
we see only the skin of things,
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Kod materije, kao i kod ljudi,
vidimo samo površinu stvari,
vidimo samo površinu stvari,
ne vidimo mehanizam,
ono što pokreće ljude,
ono što pokreće ljude,
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we can't see into the engine room,
we can't see what makes people tick,
we can't see what makes people tick,
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01:20
at least not without difficulty,
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bar ne sa lakoćom,
i što detaljnije gledamo,
01:22
and the closer we look at anything,
the more it disappears.
the more it disappears.
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to neka stvar više nestaje.
01:26
In fact, if you look
really closely at stuff,
really closely at stuff,
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Zapravo, ako detaljno pogledate stvari
i osnovnu podstrukturu materije,
i osnovnu podstrukturu materije,
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if you look at the basic
substructure of matter,
substructure of matter,
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there isn't anything there.
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tamo ne postoji ništa. Elektroni nestaju
u nekoj gužvi i postoji samo energija.
u nekoj gužvi i postoji samo energija.
01:32
Electrons disappear in a kind of fuzz,
and there is only energy.
and there is only energy.
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Zanimljivo u vezi sa nevidljivošću
je da ono što ne vidimo
je da ono što ne vidimo
01:35
One of the interesting things
about invisibility is,
about invisibility is,
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the things that we can's see,
we also can't understand.
we also can't understand.
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mi ni ne razumemo.
01:40
Gravity is one thing that we can't see,
and which we don't understand.
and which we don't understand.
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Gravitaciju ne vidimo
i ne razumemo je.
i ne razumemo je.
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It's the least understood
of all the four fundamental forces,
of all the four fundamental forces,
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Od četiri osnovne sile,
nju najmanje razumemo,
nju najmanje razumemo,
najslabija je, niko stvarno ne zna
šta je ili zašto postoji.
šta je ili zašto postoji.
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and the weakest, and nobody really
knows what it is or why it's there.
knows what it is or why it's there.
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01:51
For what it's worth, Sir Isaac Newton,
the greatest scientist who ever lived,
the greatest scientist who ever lived,
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Samo da pomenem, Ser Isak Njutn,
najveći naučnik svih vremena
najveći naučnik svih vremena
je mislio da je Isus došao na Zemlju
da bi upravljao polugama gravitacije.
da bi upravljao polugama gravitacije.
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he thought Jesus came
to Earth specifically
to Earth specifically
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to operate the levers of gravity.
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That's what he thought he was there for.
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To je on mislio da Isus radi.
Pametan momak, ali ovde je
možda pogrešio, ne znam. (Smeh)
možda pogrešio, ne znam. (Smeh)
02:01
So, bright guy, could be wrong
on that one, I don't know.
on that one, I don't know.
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02:04
(Laughter)
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Svest. Vidim vaša lica;
nemam pojma o čemu razmišljate.
nemam pojma o čemu razmišljate.
02:05
Consciousness. I see all your faces;
I've no idea what any of you are thinking.
I've no idea what any of you are thinking.
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Isn't that amazing?
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Zar to nije fantastično? Zar nije
neverovatno, da ne možemo da čitamo misli,
neverovatno, da ne možemo da čitamo misli,
02:10
Isn't it incredible that we can't read
each other's minds,
each other's minds,
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kad možemo da se dodirnemo, okusimo,
ali ne i da čitamo misli?
ali ne i da čitamo misli?
02:13
when we can touch each other,
taste each other,
taste each other,
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perhaps, if we get close enough,
but we can't read each other's minds.
but we can't read each other's minds.
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Mislim da je to zaista zapanjujuće.
02:19
I find that quite astonishing.
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02:20
In the Sufi faith,
this great Middle Eastern religion
this great Middle Eastern religion
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U sufizmu, velikoj religiji Srednjeg istoka,
za koju se tvrdi da je koren svih religija,
za koju se tvrdi da je koren svih religija,
02:23
which some claim
is the root of all religions,
is the root of all religions,
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svi učitelji imaju moć
telepatije, navodno,
telepatije, navodno,
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Sufi masters are
all telepaths, so they say,
all telepaths, so they say,
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but their main exercise of telepathy
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ali najveća telepatska vežba im je
slanje signala svima ostalima da ona ne postoji.
slanje signala svima ostalima da ona ne postoji.
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is to send out powerful signals
to the rest of us that it doesn't exist.
to the rest of us that it doesn't exist.
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So that's why we don't think it exists;
the Sufi masters working on us.
the Sufi masters working on us.
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Zato mi mislimo da ne postoji;
sufi učitelji su nas ubedili.
sufi učitelji su nas ubedili.
02:41
In the question of consciousness
and artificial intelligence,
and artificial intelligence,
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Po pitanju svesti
i veštačke inteligencije,
i veštačke inteligencije,
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artificial intelligence has really,
like the study of consciousness,
like the study of consciousness,
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veštačka inteligencija nije,
kao i nauka o svesti,
kao i nauka o svesti,
daleko dogurala, nemamo pojma
kako svest funkcioniše.
kako svest funkcioniše.
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gotten nowhere, we have no idea
how consciousness works.
how consciousness works.
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Ne samo da veštačka inteligencija
nije stvorena,
nije stvorena,
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Not only have they not created
artificial intelligence,
artificial intelligence,
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još nije stvorena ni veštačka glupost.
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they haven't yet created
artificial stupidity.
artificial stupidity.
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02:56
(Laughter)
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02:57
The laws of physics: invisible,
eternal, omnipresent, all powerful.
eternal, omnipresent, all powerful.
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Zakoni fizike: nevidljivo, večno,
sveprisutno, svemoguće.
sveprisutno, svemoguće.
03:02
Remind you of anyone?
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Je l' vas podseća na nekoga?
03:04
Interesting.
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Zanimljivo. Pogađate, nisam
materijalista, ja sam nematerijalista.
materijalista, ja sam nematerijalista.
03:05
I'm, as you can guess,
not a materialist, I'm an immaterialist.
not a materialist, I'm an immaterialist.
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Postoji korisna nova reč – ignostik.
OK? To sam ja, [bog?]
OK? To sam ja, [bog?]
03:08
And I've found a very useful
new word -- ignostic.
new word -- ignostic.
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03:11
Okay? I'm an ignostic.
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03:12
[God?]
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Odbijam da me zanima pitanje
da li bog postoji,
da li bog postoji,
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I refuse to be drawn on the question
on whether God exists
on whether God exists
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dok neko propisno
ne definiše pojmove.
ne definiše pojmove.
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until somebody properly defines the terms.
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03:18
Another thing we can't see
is the human genome.
is the human genome.
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Još jedna stvar koju ne vidimo
je ljudski genom.
je ljudski genom.
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And this is increasingly peculiar,
because about 20 years ago
because about 20 years ago
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Ovo je sve zanimljivije,
jer pre 20 godina,
jer pre 20 godina,
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when they started delving into the genome,
they thought it would probably contain
they thought it would probably contain
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kada su počeli da petljaju sa genomom,
mislili su da verovatno sadrži
mislili su da verovatno sadrži
oko 100 hiljada gena.
Od tada,
Od tada,
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around 100 thousand genes.
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03:31
Every year since,
it's been revised downwards.
it's been revised downwards.
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sve ih je manje. Sada mislimo
da u ljudskom genomu ima
da u ljudskom genomu ima
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We now think there are likely
to be just over 20 thousand genes
to be just over 20 thousand genes
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in the human genome.
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nešto više od 20.000 gena.
03:39
This is extraordinary,
because rice -- get this --
because rice -- get this --
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Ovo je zanimljivo, jer pazite ovo –
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rice is known to have 38 thousand genes.
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zna se da pirinač ima 38.000 gena.
03:45
Potatoes have 48 chromosomes,
two more than people,
two more than people,
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Krompir ima 48 hromozoma,
dva više od ljudi
dva više od ljudi
i isto koliko i gorila.
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
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and the same as a gorilla.
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03:52
(Laughter)
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You can't see these things,
but they are very strange.
but they are very strange.
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Ove stvari ne možete videti,
ali su veoma čudne.
ali su veoma čudne.
03:58
The stars by day, I always
think that's fascinating.
think that's fascinating.
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Zvezde preko dana,
mislim da je to začuđujuće.
mislim da je to začuđujuće.
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The universe disappears.
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Univerzum nestaje. Što više svetla
ima, manje možete da vidite.
ima, manje možete da vidite.
04:02
The more light there is,
the less you can see.
the less you can see.
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Vreme. Niko ne vidi vreme.
04:05
Time. Nobody can see time.
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04:08
I don't know if you know this.
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Ne znam da li znate, postoji
veliki pokret u modernoj fizici
veliki pokret u modernoj fizici
04:09
There's a big movement in modern physics
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to decide that time doesn't really exist,
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da se zaključi da vreme ne postoji,
jer je previše nezgodno za brojke.
jer je previše nezgodno za brojke.
04:14
because it's too inconvenient
for the figures.
for the figures.
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Mnogo je lakše ako ne postoji.
04:16
It's much easier if it's not really there.
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04:18
You can't see the future, obviously,
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Ne možete da vidite budućnost,
očigledno,
očigledno,
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and you can't see the past,
except in your memory.
except in your memory.
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kao ni prošlost,
osim u sećanju.
osim u sećanju.
04:23
One of the interesting
things about the past
things about the past
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Zanimljiva stvar u vezi sa
prošlošću koju ne vidite –
prošlošću koju ne vidite –
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is you particularly can't see --
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sin me je upitao: "Tata, je l' se sećaš
kakav sam ja bio sa dve godine?"
kakav sam ja bio sa dve godine?"
04:27
my son asked me this the other day,
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04:29
"Dad, can you remember
what I was like when I was two?
what I was like when I was two?
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Rekao sam da. Pitao je:
"Zašto se ja ne sećam?"
"Zašto se ja ne sećam?"
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And I said, "Yes." He said, "Why can't I?"
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Zar to nije neobično? Ne sećate se
šta se desilo pre druge ili treće godine.
šta se desilo pre druge ili treće godine.
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Isn't that extraordinary?
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04:35
You cannot remember what happened to you
earlier than the age of two or three.
earlier than the age of two or three.
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To je sjajno za psihoanalitičare,
inače bi ostali bez posla.
inače bi ostali bez posla.
04:39
Which is great news for psychoanalysts,
because otherwise they'd be out of a job.
because otherwise they'd be out of a job.
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Jer tu se dešavaju stvari
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
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Because that's where all the stuff happens
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04:45
(Laughter)
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that makes you who you are.
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koje vas čine onim što jeste.
04:51
Another thing you can't see
is the grid on which we hang.
is the grid on which we hang.
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Ne vidi se ni mreža na kojoj visimo.
04:54
This is fascinating.
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To je fascinantno. Verovatno znate
da se ćelije stalno obnavljaju.
da se ćelije stalno obnavljaju.
04:55
You probably know, some of you,
that cells are continually renewed.
that cells are continually renewed.
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Koža se peruta, dlake rastu,
nokti, takve stvari –
nokti, takve stvari –
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Skin flakes off, hairs grow,
nails, that kind of stuff --
nails, that kind of stuff --
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05:01
but every cell in your body
is replaced at some point.
is replaced at some point.
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ali svaka ćelija u vašem telu
se u nekom trenutku zameni.
se u nekom trenutku zameni.
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Taste buds, every ten days or so.
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Ćelije ukusa, na svakih
desetak dana.
desetak dana.
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Livers and internal organs
take a bit longer.
take a bit longer.
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Za jetru i unutrašnje organe
je potrebno malo duže.
je potrebno malo duže.
05:10
Spine takes several years.
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Kičmi treba nekoliko godina.
05:11
But at the end of seven years,
not one cell in your body
not one cell in your body
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Ali posle 7 godina,
u vašem telu ne ostaje
u vašem telu ne ostaje
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remains from what was there
seven years ago.
seven years ago.
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nijedna ćelija koja je bila tu
pre tih 7 godina.
pre tih 7 godina.
05:18
The question is:
who then are we? What are we?
who then are we? What are we?
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Pitanje je: ko smo onda mi?
Šta smo? Na čemu visimo?
Šta smo? Na čemu visimo?
05:21
What is this thing that we hang on?
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05:23
That is actually us?
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Da li smo to mi?
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Atoms, can't see them. Nobody ever will.
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Atome ne vidimo. Niko nikad neće.
Manji su od talasne dužine svetla.
Manji su od talasne dužine svetla.
05:27
They're smaller
than the wavelength of light.
than the wavelength of light.
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05:29
Gas, can't see that.
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Ni gas ne vidimo. Zanimljivo,
neko je skoro pomenuo 1600.
neko je skoro pomenuo 1600.
05:31
Interesting, somebody
mentioned 1600 recently.
mentioned 1600 recently.
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Gas je 1600. pronašao holandski
hemičar Van Helmont.
hemičar Van Helmont.
05:33
Gas was invented in 1600
by a Dutch chemist called van Helmont.
by a Dutch chemist called van Helmont.
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05:38
It's said to be the most successful ever
invention of a word by a known individual.
invention of a word by a known individual.
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Od poznatih ljudi koji su izmislili reči,
kaže se da je ova najuspešnija.
kaže se da je ova najuspešnija.
05:43
Quite good. He also invented a word
called "blas," meaning astral radiation.
called "blas," meaning astral radiation.
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Prilično je dobra. Izmislio je i reč
blas – zvezdana radijacija.
blas – zvezdana radijacija.
05:49
Didn't catch on, unfortunately.
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To se na žalost nije zadržalo.
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
05:51
(Laughter)
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05:52
But well done, him.
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Ali, bravo za njega.
Svetlost ne možete da vidite.
Svetlost ne možete da vidite.
05:53
Light -- you can't see light.
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05:55
When it's dark, in a vacuum,
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Kad je mračno, u vakuumu, ako vam
neko sija pravo u oči, nećete videti.
neko sija pravo u oči, nećete videti.
05:57
if a person shines a beam of light
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straight across your eyes,
you won't see it.
you won't see it.
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06:01
Slightly technical, some physicists
will disagree with this.
will disagree with this.
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Tehnički, neki fizičari se ne bi složili.
Čudno je da ne vidite snop svetla,
Čudno je da ne vidite snop svetla,
06:04
But it's odd that you can't see
the beam of light,
the beam of light,
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vidite samo ono na šta pada.
06:06
you can only see what it hits.
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Ne vidite elektricitet. Ne dajte
da vam iko kaže da razume elektricitet.
da vam iko kaže da razume elektricitet.
06:08
Electricity, can't see that.
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06:09
Don't let anyone tell you
they understand electricity, they don't.
they understand electricity, they don't.
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06:12
Nobody knows what it is.
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Niko ne zna šta je to. (Smeh) Mislite
da se elektroni u žici kreću brzo,
da se elektroni u žici kreću brzo,
06:13
(Laughter)
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06:15
You probably think the electrons
in an electric wire move instantaneously
in an electric wire move instantaneously
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kroz žicu, brzinom svetlosti,
kad upalite svetlo, zar ne?
kad upalite svetlo, zar ne?
06:18
down a wire, don't you,
at the speed of light,
at the speed of light,
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when you turn the light on, they don't.
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Nije istina. Elektroni se kreću
otprilike brzinom meda koji teče.
otprilike brzinom meda koji teče.
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Electrons bumble down the wire,
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about the speed of spreading
honey, they say.
honey, they say.
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Galaxies -- hundred billion of them,
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Galaksije, misli se da ih ima
stotinu milijardi u univerzumu.
stotinu milijardi u univerzumu.
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estimated in the universe.
Hundred billion.
Hundred billion.
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Koliko vidimo? Golim okom,
pet, od sto milijardi.
pet, od sto milijardi.
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How many can we see?
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Five. Five, out of a hundred billion
galaxies, with the naked eye.
galaxies, with the naked eye.
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And one of them is quite difficult to see,
unless you've got very good eyesight.
unless you've got very good eyesight.
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Jedna se vidi jako teško,
osim ako imate dobar vid.
osim ako imate dobar vid.
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Radio waves. There's another thing.
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Radio talasi. Kad ih je otkrio,
1887., Hajrih Herc
1887., Hajrih Herc
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Heinrich Hertz, when he discovered
radio waves, in 1887,
radio waves, in 1887,
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ih je nazvao radio talasima
jer su emitovali talase.
jer su emitovali talase.
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he called them radio waves
because they radiated.
because they radiated.
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Neko ga je pitao koja je svrha
talasa koje je pronašao.
talasa koje je pronašao.
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Somebody said to him,
"What's the point of these, Heinrich?
"What's the point of these, Heinrich?
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What's the point of these radio waves
that you've found?"
that you've found?"
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Rekao je da nema pojma,
ali neko će valjda nekad naći svrhu.
ali neko će valjda nekad naći svrhu.
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And he said, "Well, I've no idea,
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but I guess somebody will find
a use for them someday.
a use for them someday.
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Najveća nevidiljiva stvar
je ono što ne znamo.
je ono što ne znamo.
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The biggest thing that's invisible
to us is what we don't know.
to us is what we don't know.
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It is incredible how little we know.
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Neverovatno je
kako malo znamo.
kako malo znamo.
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Thomas Edison once said,
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Tomas Edison je jednom rekao
da ne znamo 1% milionitog dela bilo čega.
da ne znamo 1% milionitog dela bilo čega.
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"We don't know one percent
of one millionth about anything."
of one millionth about anything."
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And I've come to the conclusion --
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I zaključio sam –
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because you ask this other question:
"What's another thing we can't see?"
"What's another thing we can't see?"
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jer pitate i: šta još ne vidimo?
Većina ne vidi poentu.
Šta je poenta?
Šta je poenta?
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The point, most of us. What's the point?
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The point -- what I've got it down to
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Poenta je da postoje samo
dva vredna pitanja.
dva vredna pitanja.
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is there are only two questions
really worth asking.
really worth asking.
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Zašto smo ovde i šta bi trebalo
da uradimo dok smo tu?
da uradimo dok smo tu?
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"Why are we here?",
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and "What should
we do about it while we are?"
we do about it while we are?"
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To help you, I've got two things to leave
you with, from two great philosophers,
you with, from two great philosophers,
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Da vam pomognem, ostavljam vam
dve stvari, od dva velika filozofa,
dve stvari, od dva velika filozofa,
možda dva najveća mislioca
dvadesetog veka.
dvadesetog veka.
07:29
perhaps two of the greatest philosopher
thinkers of the 20th century.
thinkers of the 20th century.
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Jedan je matematičar i inženjer,
drugi je pesnik.
drugi je pesnik.
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One a mathematician and engineer,
and the other a poet.
and the other a poet.
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The first is Ludwig Wittgenstein,
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Prvi je Ludvig Vitgenštajn,
koji je rekao:
koji je rekao:
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who said, "I don't know why we are here,
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"Ne znam zašto smo ovde, ali sam siguran
da nije da bismo uživali."
da nije da bismo uživali."
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but I am pretty sure it's not
in order to enjoy ourselves."
in order to enjoy ourselves."
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07:44
(Laughter)
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He was a cheerful bastard, wasn't he?
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Bio je veseo prokletnik, zar ne?
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
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(Laughter)
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And secondly, and lastly,
W.H. Auden, one of my favorite poets,
W.H. Auden, one of my favorite poets,
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Drugi, za kraj, V.H. Oden,
jedan od meni omiljenih pesnika,
jedan od meni omiljenih pesnika,
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who said, "We are here
on Earth to help others.
on Earth to help others.
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rekao je: "Mi smo tu da pomažemo drugima.
Zašto su oni tu, nemam pojma."
Zašto su oni tu, nemam pojma."
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What the others
are here for, I've no idea."
are here for, I've no idea."
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08:01
(Laughter)
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08:03
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08:06
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08:08
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John Lloyd seems to have known every brilliant and funny person in Britain, and his collaborations are legendary. He's been a fixture on the BBC for four decades, producing such classic comedies as Blackadder, Spitting Image, the BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and lately QI (short for "Quite Interesting"), hosted by Stephen Fry (read his Reddit AMA about it).
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