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John Searle - Philosopher
John Searle has made countless contributions to contemporary thinking about consciousness, language, artificial intelligence and rationality itself.

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American philosopher John Serle has made countless contributions to contemporary thinking about consciousness, language, artificial intelligence and rationality itself. In his early work, he focused on the nature of language and what we are conveying when we speak and how the intention behind what we intend to say can the meaning of words from context to context.

He is best known for his “Chinese Room” thought experiment, which challenges the notion of a truly intelligent artificial intelligence. In it, he imagines a room containing an individual, who speaks only English, working with a set of English instructions to write a series of Chinese characters in order to anonymous communicate with a Chinese speaker outside the room. If that individual follows the instructions carefully, she can effectively fool the Chinese speaker into thinking he’s talking to someone who understands his language. Serle argues that, at the very least, the metaphor raises deep complications as to whether or not one can truly describe convincing simulations of intelligence as intelligent.

He remains of firm believer that subjective experiences are real -- even if they don’t always describe things are they really are -- and are worth thinking about in objective terms because of it.

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John Searle: Our shared condition -- consciousness

约翰·赛尔: 约翰·赛尔:我们共享的状态——意识

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哲学家约翰·赛尔讨论了如何研究人类意识,系统地反驳了一些反对正式研究意识的常见异议。随着我们对引起意识的脑部过程有了进一步了解,接受意识作为一种生物学现象就是重要的第一步。约翰认为:意识并不是庞大的计算机模拟过程。(摄于TEDxCERN)
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I'm going to talk about consciousness意识.
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下面我来谈谈意识
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Why consciousness意识?
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为什么是意识呢?
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Well, it's a curiously好奇 neglected被忽视的 subject学科,
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恩,说来也怪,无论是在科学还是哲学领域
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both in our scientific科学 and our philosophical哲学上 culture文化.
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它都是一个被忽视的学科
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Now why is that curious好奇?
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为什么说这很奇怪呢?
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Well, it is the most important重要 aspect方面 of our lives生活
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它在我们的生活中是及其重要的部分
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for a very simple简单, logical合乎逻辑 reason原因,
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原因很简单,也很好理解
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namely亦即, it's a necessary必要 condition条件 on anything
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那就是:我们生命里一切重要事物存在的必要条件
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being存在 important重要 in our lives生活 that we're conscious意识.
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就是我们拥有意识
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You care关心 about science科学, philosophy哲学, music音乐, art艺术, whatever随你 --
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比如,你研究科学、哲学、音乐、艺术等等
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it's no good if you're a zombie僵尸 or in a coma昏迷, right?
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但如果你是僵尸或植物人,那些东西对你就没有意义了吧?
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So consciousness意识 is number one.
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所以说意识是最为重要的
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The second第二 reason原因 is that when people do
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第二个原因:当人们对意识感兴趣时
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get interested有兴趣 in it, as I think they should,
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我认为他们应该对它感兴趣
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they tend趋向 to say the most appalling骇人听闻的 things.
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他们就会说出一些非常惊人的话
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And then, even when they're not saying appalling骇人听闻的 things
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然后,即使他们没有说那么惊人的东西
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and they're really trying to do serious严重 research研究,
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他们也会尝试去正儿八经地研究它
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well, it's been slow. Progress进展 has been slow.
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然而,研究进度一直很慢,目前进展依然缓慢
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When I first got interested有兴趣 in this, I thought, well,
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我最开始对此感兴趣时,我认为
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it's a straightforward直截了当 problem问题 in biology生物学.
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这纯粹就是一个生物学难题
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Let's get these brain stabbersstabbers to get busy and figure数字 out
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那我们就打开脑子
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how it works作品 in the brain.
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看看它是怎样在大脑中运作的
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So I went over to UCSFUCSF and I talked to all
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于是我去了加州大学旧金山分校
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the heavy-duty重负 neurobiologists神经生物学家 there,
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和知名的神经生物学专家们谈了谈
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and they showed显示 some impatience不耐烦,
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他们都不大耐烦
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as scientists科学家们 often经常 do when you ask them embarrassing尴尬 questions问题.
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当别人问很难回答的问题时,科学家都这样
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But the thing that struck来袭 me is, one guy said in exasperation恼怒,
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但出乎我意料的是,一个很有名的
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a very famous著名 neurobiologist神经生物学家, he said, "Look,
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神经生物学家恼怒地说:“听着
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in my discipline学科 it's okay to be interested有兴趣 in consciousness意识,
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干这一行,你对意识感兴趣没关系
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but get tenure保有 first. Get tenure保有 first."
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但先拿到终身职位再说。要先拿到终身职位!”
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Now I've been working加工 on this for a long time.
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我对意识已经研究了很长时间了
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I think now you might威力 actually其实 get tenure保有
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我想,说不定人们能通过研究意识
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by working加工 on consciousness意识.
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得到终身职位呢
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If so, that's a real真实 step forward前锋.
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如果真那样,那可是个一大进步啊
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Okay, now why then is this curious好奇 reluctance不情愿
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好,现在我们说说为什么这些人不愿意
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and curious好奇 hostility敌意 to consciousness意识?
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甚至反对研究意识?
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Well, I think it's a combination组合 of two features特征
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嗯,我觉得这与知识文化的
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of our intellectual知识分子 culture文化
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两大特点有关
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that like to think they're opposing反对 each other
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表面上,它们互相矛盾
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but in fact事实 they share分享 a common共同 set of assumptions假设.
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但实际上两者却有一系列相同的前提假设
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One feature特征 is the tradition传统 of religious宗教 dualism二元论:
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一个特征是带有宗教二元论的传统色彩
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Consciousness意识 is not a part部分 of the physical物理 world世界.
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意识不是物质世界的组成部分
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It's a part部分 of the spiritual精神 world世界.
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而是精神世界的组成部分
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It belongs属于 to the soul灵魂,
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它属于灵魂层面
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and the soul灵魂 is not a part部分 of the physical物理 world世界.
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而灵魂并不是物质世界的组成部分
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That's the tradition传统 of God, the soul灵魂 and immortality不朽.
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这就是从“上帝”,”灵魂“和“永生”的角度,提出的一种观点
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There's another另一个 tradition传统 that thinks it's opposed反对 to this
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还有一种说法,正好与此相悖
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but accepts接受 the worst最差 assumption假设.
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但却能接受最坏的假设
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That tradition传统 thinks that we are heavy-duty重负 scientific科学 materialists唯物主义者:
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这种观点认为:我们是责任重大的科学唯物主义者
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Consciousness意识 is not a part部分 of the physical物理 world世界.
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意识不是物质世界的组成部分
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Either it doesn't exist存在 at all, or it's something else其他,
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要么它完全不存在,要么它就是其它什么东西
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a computer电脑 program程序 or some damn该死的 fool傻子 thing,
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比如说电脑程序或其他什么玩意儿
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but in any case案件 it's not part部分 of science科学.
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但绝不是科学的一部分
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And I used to get in an argument论据 that really gave me a stomachache腹痛.
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过去我常常和别人争论一个问题,争得我都胃疼
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Here's这里的 how it went.
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这个命题是这样的
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Science科学 is objective目的, consciousness意识 is subjective主观,
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科学是客观的,意识是主观的
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therefore因此 there cannot不能 be a science科学 of consciousness意识.
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所以不可能有研究意识的科学
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Okay, so these twin双胞胎 traditions传统 are paralyzing瘫痪 us.
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好吧,这俩观点实在困住了我们
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It's very hard to get out of these twin双胞胎 traditions传统.
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真的很难跳脱出这俩说法
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And I have only one real真实 message信息 in this lecture演讲,
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这次演讲我只有一个主旨想要传达
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and that is, consciousness意识 is a biological生物 phenomenon现象
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即:意识是一种生物现象
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like photosynthesis光合作用, digestion消化, mitosis有丝分裂 --
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就像光合作用、消化作用、有丝分裂一样
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you know all the biological生物 phenomena现象 -- and once一旦 you accept接受 that,
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你们知道这些生物学现象,而且一旦你承认它是生物现象
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most, though虽然 not all, of the hard problems问题
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大多数关于意识的疑难问题
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about consciousness意识 simply只是 evaporate蒸发.
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就自然而然就迎刃而解了
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And I'm going to go through通过 some of them.
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其中的一些问题,我一会就给大家作相关解释
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Okay, now I promised许诺 you to tell you some
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好了,我说过给你们讲些
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of the outrageous蛮横的 things said about consciousness意识.
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关于意识的过分言论
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One: Consciousness意识 does not exist存在.
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一:意识不存在
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It's an illusion错觉, like sunsets日落.
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意识是幻觉,像太阳落山一样
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Science科学 has shown显示 sunsets日落 and rainbows彩虹 are illusions幻想.
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科学已经表明日落和彩虹都是幻觉
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So consciousness意识 is an illusion错觉.
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所以意识也是一种幻觉
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Two: Well, maybe it exists存在, but it's really something else其他.
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二:好吧,也许意识存在,但它一定是其它什么东西
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It's a computer电脑 program程序 running赛跑 in the brain.
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它是在大脑里运转的电脑程序
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Three: No, the only thing that exists存在 is really behavior行为.
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三:意识不存在,真正存在的只是行为
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It's embarrassing尴尬 how influential有影响 behaviorism行动主义 was,
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行为主义的影响力有多让人尴尬
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but I'll get back to that.
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我等会儿再说
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And four: Maybe consciousness意识 exists存在,
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四:也许意识存在
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but it can't make any difference区别 to the world世界.
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但它不会对世界有什么影响
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How could spirituality灵性 move移动 anything?
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如何靠意志挪动任何东西呢?
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Now, whenever每当 somebody tells告诉 me that, I think,
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现在,不管谁对我这样说的时候,我就想
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you want to see spirituality灵性 move移动 something?
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你想看看意志能挪动东西吗?
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Watch. I decide决定 consciously自觉 to raise提高 my arm,
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看着,我有意识的决定抬起我的手臂
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and the damn该死的 thing goes up. (Laughter笑声)
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这玩意儿就抬起来了(笑声)
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Furthermore此外, notice注意 this:
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而且,请注意
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We do not say, "Well, it's a bit like the weather天气 in Geneva日内瓦.
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我们并没说:“嗯,有点像日内瓦的天气
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Some days it goes up and some days it doesn't go up."
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有些天儿好,有些天儿不好。”
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No. It goes up whenever每当 I damn该死的 well want it to.
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并不是这样
我想抬手的时候,它就会抬起来
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Okay. I'm going to tell you how that's possible可能.
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好吧,我告诉你们怎么回事
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Now, I haven't没有 yet然而 given特定 you a definition定义.
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到现在,我还没有给你们一个具体的定义
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You can't do this if you don't give a definition定义.
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如果没有明确定义,就讲不清楚
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People always say consciousness意识 is very hard to define确定.
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人们老说很难给意识下定义
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I think it's rather easy简单 to define确定
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我倒觉得很容易
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if you're not trying to give a scientific科学 definition定义.
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如果你不是要给它一个科学的定义的话
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We're not ready准备 for a scientific科学 definition定义,
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我们现在还没准备好给它一个科学的定义
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but here's这里的 a common-sense常识 definition定义.
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但有一个常识性的定义:
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Consciousness意识 consists of all those states状态 of feeling感觉
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意识由感觉、知觉、认知
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or sentience知觉 or awareness意识.
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等各种心理过程组成
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It begins开始 in the morning早上 when you wake唤醒 up from a dreamless sleep睡觉,
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它开始于你从无梦睡眠中醒来的清晨
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and it goes on all day until直到 you fall秋季 asleep睡着
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并持续一整天,直到你睡着
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or die or otherwise除此以外 become成为 unconscious无意识.
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或死亡,或处于无意识状态
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Dreams are a form形成 of consciousness意识 on this definition定义.
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在这一定义下,梦是意识的一种形式
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Now, that's the common-sense常识 definition定义. That's our target目标.
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以上就是那个常识性的定义,也就是我们的目标
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If you're not talking about that, you're not talking about consciousness意识.
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如果你们不是在说这个定义,你们就不是在谈意识
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But they think, "Well, if that's it, that's an awful可怕 problem问题.
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但他们觉得:“好啊
如果那样的话,这可就难了
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How can such这样 a thing exist存在 as part部分 of the real真实 world世界?"
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那样一个东西怎么会是真实世界的组成部分呢?”
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And this, if you've ever had a philosophy哲学 course课程,
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如果你们上过哲学课的话
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this is known已知 as the famous著名 mind-body身心 problem问题.
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这就是那个有名的精神与肉体关系的难题
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I think that has a simple简单 solution too. I'm going to give it to you.
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我觉得那个问题也有个简单的解决办法
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And here it is: All of our conscious意识 states状态, without exception例外,
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那就是:所有的意识状态,没有例外
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are caused造成 by lower-level低等级 neurobiological神经生物学 processes流程 in the brain,
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都是由大脑中低层次神经生物学进程引起的
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and they are realized实现 in the brain
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接着在大脑中,作为高层次神经进程
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as higher-level更高层次 or system系统 features特征.
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或者系统特征得以实现
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It's about as mysterious神秘 as the liquidity流动性 of water.
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它就像水的流动性一样神秘
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Right? The liquidity流动性 is not an extra额外 juice果汁 squirted out
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对吧,水的流动特性并不是
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by the H2O molecules分子.
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由水分子喷射出来引起的
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It's a condition条件 that the system系统 is in.
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它只是一个状态,包含了这个系统
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And just as the jar full充分 of water can go from liquid液体 to solid固体
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就像一个装满水的罐子能从液体到固体
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depending根据 on the behavior行为 of the molecules分子,
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这取决于水分子的行为
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so your brain can go from a state of being存在 conscious意识
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所以大脑可以从有意识状态
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to a state of being存在 unconscious无意识,
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到无意识状态
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depending根据 on the behavior行为 of the molecules分子.
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这取决于分子的行为
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The famous著名 mind-body身心 problem问题 is that simple简单.
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著名的精神与肉体关系难题就这么简单
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All right? But now we get into some harder更难 questions问题.
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好了,但我们现在要深入到更难的问题上去
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Let's specify指定 the exact精确 features特征 of consciousness意识,
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我们现在指定意识的准确特征
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so that we can then answer回答 those four objections反对
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好让我们能够反驳我刚才说的
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that I made制作 to it.
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那四个异议
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Well, the first feature特征 is, it's real真实 and irreducible束缚.
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第一个,它是真实的,不可削减的
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You can't get rid摆脱 of it.
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你摆脱不了它
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You see, the distinction分别 between之间 reality现实 and illusion错觉
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你们知道,现实与幻觉的区别
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is the distinction分别 between之间 how things
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就是事物之于我们与
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consciously自觉 seem似乎 to us and how they really are.
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事物本身的区别
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It consciously自觉 seems似乎 like there's --
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之于我们,看起来像…...
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I like the French法国 "arc-en-ciel弧彩虹" —
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我喜欢用这个法语词arc-en-ciel(虹)
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it seems似乎 like there's an arch in the sky天空,
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看起来像一个arch(拱门)在空中
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or it seems似乎 like the sun太阳 is setting设置 over the mountains.
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或者说像太阳横亘在群山之上
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It consciously自觉 seems似乎 to us, but that's not really happening事件.
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那只是我们自己的认知,但不是它真实的样子
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But for that distinction分别 between之间
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how things consciously自觉 seem似乎 and how they really are,
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和事物本质之间的区别
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you can't make that distinction分别 for the very existence存在 of consciousness意识,
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你不能把那个区别加诸到意识存在这个问题上
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because where the very existence存在 of consciousness意识 is concerned关心,
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if it consciously自觉 seems似乎 to you that you are conscious意识,
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如果你清楚的意识到你是清醒的
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you are conscious意识.
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你就是清醒的
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I mean, if a bunch of experts专家 come to me and say,
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我是说,如果一堆专家跑来对我说
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"We are heavy-duty重负 neurobiologists神经生物学家 and we've我们已经 doneDONE a study研究
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“我们是尽职尽责的神经生物学家,而且做了一个
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of you, Searle塞尔, and we're convinced相信 you are not conscious意识,
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关于你的研究,赛尔,我们一致认为你没有意识
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you are a very cleverly巧妙 constructed robot机器人,"
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你只是一个构造精良的聪明机器人”
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I don't think, "Well, maybe these guys are right, you know?"
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我不会说:“嗯,可能他们说对啦”
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I don't think that for a moment时刻, because, I mean,
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我完全不会那样想,
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Descartes笛卡尔 may可能 have made制作 a lot of mistakes错误, but he was right about this.
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You cannot不能 doubt怀疑 the existence存在 of your own拥有 consciousness意识.
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你不能怀疑自身意识的存在
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Okay, that's the first feature特征 of consciousness意识.
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好了,这是意识的第一个特征
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It's real真实 and irreducible束缚.
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它是真实的、不可简化的
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You cannot不能 get rid摆脱 of it by showing展示 that it's an illusion错觉
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你不能像对待其它幻觉那样
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in a way that you can with other standard标准 illusions幻想.
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通过说明它是幻觉的方式来摆脱它
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Okay, the second第二 feature特征 is this one
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第二个特征
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that has been such这样 a source资源 of trouble麻烦 to us,
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一直以来都是我们的烦恼来源
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and that is, all of our conscious意识 states状态
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即,所有的意识状态
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have this qualitative定性 character字符 to them.
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都存在这个定性的特点
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There's something that it feels感觉 like to drink beer啤酒
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你喝啤酒的感觉
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which哪一个 is not what it feels感觉 like to do your income收入 tax
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并不像你付所得税
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or listen to music音乐, and this qualitative定性 feel
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或听音乐时的感觉,这个定性感受
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automatically自动 generates生成 a third第三 feature特征,
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自然就引出了第三个特征:
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namely亦即, conscious意识 states状态 are by definition定义 subjective主观
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意识状态明显是主观的
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in the sense that they only exist存在 as experienced有经验的
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它们只以人类或动物的经验状态存在
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by some human人的 or animal动物 subject学科,
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它们只以人类或动物的经验状态存在
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some self that experiences经验 them.
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本体体验到了它们
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Maybe we'll be able能够 to build建立 a conscious意识 machine.
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或许我们能建造一台意识机器
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Since以来 we don't know how our brains大脑 do it,
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既然我们不清楚大脑是怎么做到的
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we're not in a position位置, so far, to build建立 a conscious意识 machine.
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我们现在就无法建造意识机器
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Okay. Another另一个 feature特征 of consciousness意识
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好了,意识的另外一个特征就是
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is that it comes in unified统一 conscious意识 fields领域.
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它以统一的意识域方式出现
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So I don't just have the sight视力 of the people in front面前 of me
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所以,我不仅能看到我眼前的人
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and the sound声音 of my voice语音 and the weight重量 of my shoes
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还能听到自己的声音,感受到地板上鞋的重量
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against反对 the floor地板, but they occur发生 to me
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但他们以单一的
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as part部分 of one single great conscious意识 field领域
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意识域部分出现
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that stretches舒展 forward前锋 and backward落后.
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而且还能前后移动
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That is the key to understanding理解
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这是理解意识的力量的关键
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the enormous巨大 power功率 of consciousness意识.
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这就是理解意识的力量的关键
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And we have not been able能够 to do that in a robot机器人.
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现在我们还没法在机器人里做到这一点
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The disappointment失望 of robotics机器人 derives导出 from the fact事实
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机器人学令人失望之处就是
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that we don't know how to make a conscious意识 robot机器人,
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我们不知道如何制造一台有意识的机器人
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so we don't have a machine that can do this kind of thing.
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所以我们便没有一台能这样做的的机器
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Okay, the next下一个 feature特征 of consciousness意识,
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好了,在统一的意识域这个特征后
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after this marvelous奇妙 unified统一 conscious意识 field领域,
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意识的另一个特征是
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is that it functions功能 causally因果 in our behavior行为.
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它在我们的行为中随意运行
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I gave you a scientific科学 demonstration示范 by raising提高 my hand,
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我刚给你们了一个科学的演示:举手
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but how is that possible可能?
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但是这是怎么回事呢?
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How can it be that this thought in my brain
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我脑袋里的想法怎么能
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can move移动 material材料 objects对象?
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让一个实质物体运动呢
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Well, I'll tell you the answer回答.
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恩,我来给你们说明吧
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I mean, we don't know the detailed详细 answer回答,
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我是说,我们并不知道具体的答案
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but we know the basic基本 part部分 of the answer回答, and that is,
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但我们知道答案的基本部分,即
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there is a sequence序列 of neuron神经元 firings点火,
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有那么一系列的神经元兴奋存在
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and they terminate终止 where the acetylcholine乙酰胆碱
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它们会在分泌了乙酰胆碱的
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is secreted分泌 at the axon轴突 end-plates端板 of the motor发动机 neurons神经元.
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运动神经元的轴突终板处终止
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Sorry to use philosophical哲学上 terminology术语 here,
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抱歉这儿用了一些难懂的术语
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but when it's secreted分泌 at the axon轴突 end-plates端板 of the motor发动机 neurons神经元,
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但当运动神经元轴突终板分泌的时候
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a whole整个 lot of wonderful精彩 things happen发生 in the ion离子 channels渠道
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离子通道内会发生许多奇妙的事
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and the damned该死 arm goes up.
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然后手臂这玩意儿就抬起来了
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Now, think of what I told you.
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现在想想我给你们讲的
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One and the same相同 event事件,
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完全相同的一件事
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my conscious意识 decision决定 to raise提高 my arm
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我举起手臂的有意识决定
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has a level水平 of description描述 where it has all of these
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有一定的描述性,这个描述性包括了这些
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touchy-feely煽情 spiritual精神 qualities气质.
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情感化的精神特点
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It's a thought in my brain, but at the same相同 time,
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它是我脑袋里的想法,但同时
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it's busy secreting分泌 acetylcholine乙酰胆碱
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它也忙着分泌乙酰胆碱
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and doing all sorts排序 of other things
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和做所有其它各种事情
09:47
as it makes品牌 its way from the motor发动机 cortex皮质
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当它顺着手臂内的运动皮质到神经纤维运动时
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down through通过 the nerve神经 fibers纤维 in the arm.
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当它顺着手臂内的运动皮质到神经纤维运动时
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Now, what that tells告诉 us is that our traditional传统 vocabularies词汇
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这个现象告诉我们,用来讨论
09:57
for discussing讨论 these issues问题 are totally完全 obsolete过时的.
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这些问题的传统的词汇都过时了
10:00
One and the same相同 event事件 has a level水平 of description描述
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完全相同的一件事,既含有一定的神经生物学的描述性
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where it's neurobiological神经生物学, and another另一个 level水平 of description描述
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又有一定程度的精神描述性
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where it's mental心理, and that's a single event事件,
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后者就是一个单一事件
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and that's how nature性质 works作品. That's how it's possible可能
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大自然就是这样运作的
这也是意识能够随意运行的原因
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for consciousness意识 to function功能 causally因果.
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大自然就是这样运作的
这也是意识能够随意运行的原因
10:14
Okay, now with that in mind心神,
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好了,有了上述概念
10:17
with going through通过 these various各个 features特征 of consciousness意识,
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了解了意识的不同特征
10:20
let's go back and answer回答 some of those early objections反对.
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我们倒回去回答那些异议
10:23
Well, the first one I said was, consciousness意识 doesn't exist存在,
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首先,第一个异议是意识并不存在
10:26
it's an illusion错觉. Well, I've already已经 answered回答 that.
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它是幻觉,好吧,我已经反驳过这个异议了
10:28
I don't think we need to worry担心 about that.
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我觉得我们没必要再啰嗦它了
10:30
But the second第二 one had an incredible难以置信 influence影响,
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但第二个异议的的影响力就大了
10:34
and may可能 still be around, and that is,
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或许现在还存在呢
10:35
"Well, if consciousness意识 exists存在, it's really something else其他.
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"恩,如果意识存在,它一定是其它什么东西
10:39
It's really a digital数字 computer电脑 program程序 running赛跑 in your brain
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就是在你脑子里运作的电脑程序
10:42
and that's what we need to do to create创建 consciousness意识
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来创造意识,我们要做的就是
10:45
is get the right program程序.
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找到正确的程序"
10:46
Yeah, forget忘记 about the hardware硬件. Any hardware硬件 will do
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是啊,别管硬件了,随便什么硬件都行
10:49
provided提供 it's rich丰富 enough足够 and stable稳定 enough足够 to carry携带 the program程序."
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只要它足够丰富和稳定,能承载程序
10:52
Now, we know that that's wrong错误.
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现在我们知道这样说不对
10:55
I mean, anybody任何人 who's谁是 thought about computers电脑 at all
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只要对电脑有点兴趣的人
10:58
can see that that's wrong错误, because computation计算
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谁都知道那不对
11:00
is defined定义 as symbol符号 manipulation操作,
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因为计算被定义为符号处理
11:03
usually平时 thought of as zeros as ones那些, but any symbols符号 will do.
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通常看作是许多0和1,但是什么符号都行
11:05
You get an algorithm算法 that you can program程序
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你可以通过二进制代码编程得到算法
11:09
in a binary二进制 code, and that's the defining确定 trait特征
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这就是计算机程序的典型特征
11:12
of the computer电脑 program程序.
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这就是计算机程序的典型特征
11:14
But we know that that's purely纯粹 syntactical句法. That's symbolic象征.
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但是这纯粹是依据句法规则而来,有象征性
11:18
We know that actual实际 human人的 consciousness意识 has something more than that.
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我们知道人类意识却远不止如此
11:22
It's got a content内容 in addition加成 to the syntax句法.
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除句法外,意识还有其他内容
11:25
It's got a semantics语义.
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它还有语义
11:26
Now that argument论据, I made制作 that argument论据 30 --
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说到那个论据,30年前我就提出了——
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oh my God, I don't want to think about it —
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天啊,我不愿去想都过去这么多年了——
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more than 30 years年份 ago,
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是30多年前才对
11:31
but there's a deeper更深 argument论据 implicit含蓄 in what I've told you,
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但是我刚才告诉你们的论据里还有更深的含义
11:34
and I want to tell you that argument论据 briefly简要地, and that is,
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我就简单给你们说说那个论据:
11:37
consciousness意识 creates创建 an observer-independent观察员独立 reality现实.
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意识创造了“观察者独立”的现实
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It creates创建 a reality现实 of money, property属性, government政府,
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它创造了金钱、财产、政府、
11:45
marriage婚姻, CERNCERN conferences会议,
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婚姻、CERN会议(欧洲核子研究委员会)、
11:49
cocktail鸡尾酒 parties派对 and summer夏季 vacations休假,
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鸡尾酒聚会、夏日旅行等存在的现实
11:52
and all of those are creations创作 of consciousness意识.
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这些都是意识的产物
11:54
Their existence存在 is observer-relative观察者相对.
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它们的存在都是“观察者相关的”
11:57
It's only relative相对的 to conscious意识 agents代理 that a piece of paper
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它只跟有意识的对象相关
(对这些对象而言)一张纸就是钱
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is money or that a bunch of buildings房屋 is a university大学.
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或者一群建筑就成了一所大学
12:04
Now, ask yourself你自己 about computation计算.
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现在,你们自问一下“计算”
12:07
Is that absolute绝对, like force and mass and gravitational引力 attraction引力?
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它绝对吗?就像力、质量和万有引力一样?
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Or is it observer-relative观察者相对?
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还是说,它是“观察者相关”的?
12:13
Well, some computations计算 are intrinsic固有.
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是的,有些计算是固定的
12:17
I add two plus two to get four.
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二加二等于四
12:19
That's going on no matter what anybody任何人 thinks.
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不管别人怎么想,结果始终是这样
12:21
But when I haul运输 out my pocket口袋 calculator计算器
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但是我把便携计算器掏出来
12:24
and do the calculation计算, the only intrinsic固有 phenomenon现象
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算个数,这一本质现象
12:28
is the electronic电子 circuit电路 and its behavior行为.
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其实就是电子电路及其行为
12:31
That's the only absolute绝对 phenomenon现象.
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这就是唯一的绝对现象
12:33
All the rest休息 is interpreted解读 by us.
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其他的都是人为制造的
12:35
Computation计算 only exists存在 relative相对的 to consciousness意识.
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计算只跟意识的存在相关
12:39
Either a conscious意识 agent代理人 is carrying携带 out the computation计算,
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要么“意识对象”自己实现了计算
12:42
or he's got a piece of machinery机械 that admits承认 of a computational计算 interpretation解释.
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要么“意识对象”用了一个机器
由机器承载了计算性阐释
12:45
Now that doesn't mean computation计算 is arbitrary随意.
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那并不表示计算就是任意的
12:48
I spent花费 a lot of money on this hardware硬件.
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我在这个硬件上可是花了大钱
12:51
But we have this persistent一贯 confusion混乱
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但我们在“现实”和“要求”的
12:53
between之间 objectivity客观性 and subjectivity主观性 as features特征 of reality现实
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主观性和客观性上
12:58
and objectivity客观性 and subjectivity主观性 as features特征 of claims索赔.
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一直存在混淆
13:01
And the bottom底部 line线 of this part部分 of my talk is this:
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我这部分的演说的主旨就是:
13:05
You can have a completely全然 objective目的 science科学,
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你可以有完全客观的学科
13:08
a science科学 where you make objectively客观地 true真正 claims索赔,
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你可在这个学科上进行客观的真实要求
13:11
about a domain whose谁的 existence存在 is subjective主观,
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该领域的存在可以是主观的
13:15
whose谁的 existence存在 is in the human人的 brain
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存在于由知觉、感觉和意识组成的人脑中
13:18
consisting of subjective主观 states状态 of sentience知觉
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存在于由知觉、感觉和意识组成的人脑中
13:20
or feeling感觉 or awareness意识.
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存在于由知觉、感觉和意识组成的人脑中
13:22
So the objection异议 that you can't have an objective目的 science科学 of consciousness意识
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所以别听那些人说:
因为意识是主观的,科学是客观的,
13:26
because it's subjective主观 and science科学 is objective目的, that's a pun双关语.
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所以不能有客观的意识科学。
——瞧这是个双关语啊
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That's a bad pun双关语 on objectivity客观性 and subjectivity主观性.
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是个关于客观性与主观性的劣质双关
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You can make objective目的 claims索赔
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你可以进行对这些领域进行客观要求
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about a domain that is subjective主观 in its mode模式 of existence存在,
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(即使)这些领域的存在模式是主观的
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and indeed确实 that's what neurologists神经学家 do.
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神经科学家也的确是这么做的
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I mean, you have patients耐心 that actually其实 suffer遭受 pains辛劳,
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我是说,现在有病人正忍受疼痛呢
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and you try to get an objective目的 science科学 of that.
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你却要搞出一个疼痛的客观科学出来
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Okay, I promised许诺 to refute反驳 all these guys,
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好吧,我承认说要把这些家伙全驳倒
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and I don't have an awful可怕 lot of time left,
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既然现在又没多少演讲时间
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but let me refute反驳 a couple一对 more of them.
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就让我再多反驳两三个
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I said that behaviorism行动主义 ought应该 to be
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我说过行为主义应该是
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one of the great embarrassments糗事 of our intellectual知识分子 culture文化,
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我们智育文化中的一大窘境
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because it's refuted驳斥 the moment时刻 you think about it.
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因为它在你思考它时就被反驳了
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Your mental心理 states状态 are identical相同 with your behavior行为?
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你的精神和行为能完全一致吗?
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Well, think about the distinction分别 between之间 feeling感觉 a pain疼痛
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想想“感受痛楚”与“制造痛感”的区别
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and engaging in pain疼痛 behavior行为.
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想想“感受痛楚”与“制造痛感”的区别
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I won't惯于 demonstrate演示 pain疼痛 behavior行为, but I can tell you
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我就不演示痛感行为了,但我可以告诉大家
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I'm not having any pains辛劳 right now.
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我现在并没有感觉到任何痛楚
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So it's an obvious明显 mistake错误. Why did they make the mistake错误?
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所以说它是个明显的失误,为什么他们犯这个错误?
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The mistake错误 was — and you can go back and read
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你们可以回去读读这方面的文献
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the literature文学 on this, you can see this over and over —
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可以看到很多很多
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they think if you accept接受 the irreducible束缚 existence存在
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他们的失误在于,如果你认可了意识的不存在性
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of consciousness意识, you're giving up on science科学.
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你就放弃了这个学科
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You're giving up on 300 years年份 of human人的 progress进展
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放弃了300年来的人类进步
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and human人的 hope希望 and all the rest休息 of it.
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人类的希望及其它一切
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And the message信息 I want to leave离开 you with is,
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我想告诉大家的是
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consciousness意识 has to become成为 accepted公认
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意识一定会被认可为一个真正的生物学现象
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as a genuine真正 biological生物 phenomenon现象,
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意识一定会被认可为一个真正的生物学现象
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as much subject学科 to scientific科学 analysis分析
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像科学分析里的其它主题一样
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as any other phenomenon现象 in biology生物学,
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像生物学里的其它现象一样
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or, for that matter, the rest休息 of science科学.
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或者像其它所有科学一样
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Thank you very much.
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非常感谢大家!
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(Applause掌声)
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Translated by Shiwen He
Reviewed by E Fan

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John Searle - Philosopher
John Searle has made countless contributions to contemporary thinking about consciousness, language, artificial intelligence and rationality itself.

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American philosopher John Serle has made countless contributions to contemporary thinking about consciousness, language, artificial intelligence and rationality itself. In his early work, he focused on the nature of language and what we are conveying when we speak and how the intention behind what we intend to say can the meaning of words from context to context.

He is best known for his “Chinese Room” thought experiment, which challenges the notion of a truly intelligent artificial intelligence. In it, he imagines a room containing an individual, who speaks only English, working with a set of English instructions to write a series of Chinese characters in order to anonymous communicate with a Chinese speaker outside the room. If that individual follows the instructions carefully, she can effectively fool the Chinese speaker into thinking he’s talking to someone who understands his language. Serle argues that, at the very least, the metaphor raises deep complications as to whether or not one can truly describe convincing simulations of intelligence as intelligent.

He remains of firm believer that subjective experiences are real -- even if they don’t always describe things are they really are -- and are worth thinking about in objective terms because of it.

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