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Sisonke Msimang: If a story moves you, act on it
思可·莫芝蔓: 如果故事让你感动，那就开始行动
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作家思可·莫芝蔓说，故事是必须的，但是它们并非看起来那么有魔力。在这个有趣而值得深思的演讲里，莫芝蔓质疑我们对于故事的过于关注，而忽略了许多事实。在这个听众困惑于行动的关键时刻，莫芝蔓呼吁我们关闭手机，离开屏幕，走到现实世界去制定一个正义的行动计划。
Sisonke Msimang - Writer, activist
Sisonke Msimang untangles the threads of race, class and gender that run through the fabric of African and global culture. Full bio
Sisonke Msimang untangles the threads of race, class and gender that run through the fabric of African and global culture. Full bio
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00:12
So earlier this year,
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今年早些时候，
00:14
I was informed that I would be
doing a TED Talk.
doing a TED Talk.
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我得知要来TED做演讲。
00:18
So I was excited, then I panicked,
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一开始我很兴奋，然后开始紧张，
00:20
then I was excited, then I panicked,
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继续兴奋，继续紧张，
00:22
and in between the excitement
and the panicking,
and the panicking,
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在兴奋与紧张之间，
00:24
I started to do my research,
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我开始做研究，
00:27
and my research primarily consisted
of Googling how to give a great TED Talk.
of Googling how to give a great TED Talk.
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研究内容主要就是在谷歌上搜索：
如何做好一次精彩的TED演讲。
如何做好一次精彩的TED演讲。
00:31
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
00:32
And interspersed with that,
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在这期间，
我还谷歌了
齐玛曼德·恩戈奇·阿蒂切。
齐玛曼德·恩戈奇·阿蒂切。
00:34
I was Googling Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.
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00:37
How many of you know who that is?
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你们知道她是谁吗？
00:38
(Cheers)
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（欢呼声）
00:41
So I was Googling her
because I always Google her
because I always Google her
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我总是在谷歌她，
因为我是她的粉丝，
00:44
because I'm just a fan,
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00:45
but also because she always has
important and interesting things to say.
important and interesting things to say.
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因为她总是分享一些
有意义又有意思的事情。
有意义又有意思的事情。
00:49
And the combination of those searches
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我在搜索这些内容的时候，
00:52
kept leading me to her talk
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总是会把我带到她的演讲，
00:55
on the dangers of a single story,
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关于一面之词的危险之处，
00:58
on what happens
when we have a solitary lens
when we have a solitary lens
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关于我们片面
去看待某一个群体的人，
去看待某一个群体的人，
01:01
through which to understand
certain groups of people,
certain groups of people,
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会产生哪些后果，
01:04
and it is the perfect talk.
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这是一个完美的演讲。
01:07
It's the talk that I would have given
if I had been famous first.
if I had been famous first.
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我也会做这样的演讲，
前提是，我也是个名人。
前提是，我也是个名人。
01:12
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
01:14
You know, and you know,
like, she's African and I'm African,
like, she's African and I'm African,
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你看，她是非洲人，
我也是非洲人，
我也是非洲人，
01:17
and she's a feminist and I'm a feminist,
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她是女权主义者，
我也是女权主义者。
我也是女权主义者。
01:19
and she's a storyteller
and I'm a storyteller,
and I'm a storyteller,
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她讲故事，我也讲故事，
所以，我真心觉得那是我的演讲。
01:21
so I really felt like it's my talk.
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01:23
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
01:26
So I decided that I was going
to learn how to code,
to learn how to code,
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所以我决定要去学编程，
01:29
and then I was going to hack the internet
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然后黑掉整个因特网
01:31
and I would take down all the copies
of that talk that existed,
of that talk that existed,
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把那个演讲的所有备份都删掉，
01:35
and then I would memorize it,
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把演讲背下来，
01:37
and then I would come here
and deliver it as if it was my own speech.
and deliver it as if it was my own speech.
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然后来到这里把它讲出来，
就像是我自己的演讲。
就像是我自己的演讲。
整个计划进展得很不错，
除了编程的那一部分，
除了编程的那一部分，
01:40
So that plan was going really well,
except the coding part,
except the coding part,
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01:43
and then one morning a few months ago,
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然后几个月前的一个早晨，
01:47
I woke up
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我醒来，
01:49
to the news that the wife
of a certain presidential candidate
of a certain presidential candidate
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新闻里在播某一个
总统候选人的夫人，
总统候选人的夫人，
01:54
had given a speech that --
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所做的一次演讲——
01:57
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
01:59
(Applause)
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（掌声）
02:04
that sounded eerily like a speech
given by one of my other faves,
given by one of my other faves,
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真是奇了怪了，听起来
特别像我另一位偶像的演讲，
特别像我另一位偶像的演讲，
02:09
Michelle Obama.
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米歇尔·奥巴马。
02:10
(Cheers)
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（欢呼声）
02:12
And so I decided that I should
probably write my own TED Talk,
probably write my own TED Talk,
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于是我想通了，也许我应该
准备一个我自己的TED演讲，
准备一个我自己的TED演讲，
02:17
and so that is what I am here to do.
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于是今天我站在了这里。
02:19
I'm here to talk about
my own observations about storytelling.
my own observations about storytelling.
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我想谈谈我自己对于讲故事的观察。
02:24
I want to talk to you
about the power of stories, of course,
about the power of stories, of course,
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我想谈谈故事的力量，这毫无疑问，
02:28
but I also want to talk
about their limitations,
about their limitations,
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但我也想讲讲它的局限性，
02:31
particularly for those of us
who are interested in social justice.
who are interested in social justice.
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尤其对那些对社会公义感兴趣的人。
02:36
So since Adichie gave that talk
seven years ago,
seven years ago,
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自从7年前阿蒂切做了那次演讲后，
02:39
there has been a boom in storytelling.
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讲故事这件事发生了
翻天覆地的变化。
翻天覆地的变化。
02:41
Stories are everywhere,
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故事无处不在，
02:44
and if there was a danger
in the telling of one tired old tale,
in the telling of one tired old tale,
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如果说老调重谈是一种危险，
02:48
then I think there has got to be
lots to celebrate about the flourishing
lots to celebrate about the flourishing
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那么我们真的应该欢呼雀跃，
因为有如此多的故事，
如此多不同的声音。
如此多不同的声音。
02:52
of so many stories and so many voices.
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02:55
Stories are the antidote to bias.
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故事是治疗偏见的良药。
02:58
In fact, today, if you are middle class
and connected via the internet,
and connected via the internet,
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事实上，今时今日，
如果你属于上网的中产阶级，
如果你属于上网的中产阶级，
03:04
you can download stories
at the touch of a button
at the touch of a button
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你随便按一个按钮，
或者扫一下屏幕，
或者扫一下屏幕，
03:07
or the swipe of a screen.
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就可以下载到很多故事。
03:08
You can listen to a podcast
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你可以听播客，
03:10
about what it's like
to grow up Dalit in Kolkata.
to grow up Dalit in Kolkata.
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了解加尔各答的一名贱民
是如何生活的。
是如何生活的。
03:14
You can hear an indigenous
man in Australia
man in Australia
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你可以听澳大利亚的一名土著
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talk about the trials and triumphs
of raising his children in dignity
of raising his children in dignity
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讲述他克服重重困难，
把自己的孩子养大，
把自己的孩子养大，
那种骄傲和自豪。
03:21
and in pride.
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03:22
Stories make us fall in love.
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故事让我们陷入爱河。
03:24
They heal rifts and they bridge divides.
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能弥补裂痕，消除分歧。
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Stories can even make it easier for us
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甚至还能帮助我们自如地讨论
03:29
to talk about the deaths
of people in our societies
of people in our societies
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那些逝去的人们
03:32
who don't matter,
because they make us care.
because they make us care.
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可能原本他们无关紧要，
但故事可以让我们更关心他们。
但故事可以让我们更关心他们。
03:34
Right?
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对吗？
03:36
I'm not so sure,
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我也不是那么确定，
03:38
and I actually work for a place
called the Centre for Stories.
called the Centre for Stories.
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我在一个叫做
“故事中心”的地方工作。
“故事中心”的地方工作。
03:41
And my job is to help to tell stories
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我的工作是帮助那些
03:46
that challenge mainstream narratives
about what it means to be black
about what it means to be black
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与主流描述不同的故事，关于黑人
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or a Muslim or a refugee
or any of those other categories
or any of those other categories
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穆斯林、难民，或者其他群体，
03:52
that we talk about all the time.
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那些我们成天谈论的群体。
03:55
But I come to this work
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但在做这件工作之前，
03:57
after a long history
as a social justice activist,
as a social justice activist,
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我当了很久的社会公义活动家，
04:00
and so I'm really interested in the ways
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于是我的兴趣点在于，
04:02
that people talk
about nonfiction storytelling
about nonfiction storytelling
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人们谈论纪实文学的方式，
04:05
as though it's about
more than entertainment,
more than entertainment,
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好像它会更严肃一些，
04:07
as though it's about being
a catalyst for social action.
a catalyst for social action.
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好像它会是社会活动的催化剂。
04:11
It's not uncommon to hear people say
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人们总是会说
04:14
that stories make
the world a better place.
the world a better place.
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某些故事让这个世界变得更美好。
04:18
Increasingly, though, I worry
that even the most poignant stories,
that even the most poignant stories,
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然而，我却越来越担心，
即便是最让人心酸的故事，
即便是最让人心酸的故事，
04:22
particularly the stories about people
who no one seems to care about,
who no one seems to care about,
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特别是那些
讲述无人关心的人群的故事，
讲述无人关心的人群的故事，
04:26
can often get in the way
of action towards social justice.
of action towards social justice.
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常常会成为社会公义行动的阻碍。
并不是因为故事的讲述者有意为之。
04:29
Now, this is not because
storytellers mean any harm.
storytellers mean any harm.
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04:33
Quite the contrary.
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恰恰相反。
04:34
Storytellers are often do-gooders
like me and, I suspect, yourselves.
like me and, I suspect, yourselves.
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讲述者往往是不切实际的改良主义者，
就像你我一样。
就像你我一样。
04:39
And the audiences of storytellers
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而故事的听众们
往往都是富有同情心
和同理心的人们。
和同理心的人们。
04:42
are often deeply compassionate
and empathetic people.
and empathetic people.
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04:46
Still, good intentions
can have unintended consequences,
can have unintended consequences,
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尽管如此，好心常常会办坏事，
因此我想说，故事并不会那么神奇。
04:51
and so I want to propose that stories
are not as magical as they seem.
are not as magical as they seem.
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04:55
So three -- because
it's always got to be three --
it's always got to be three --
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因此，有3点理由——
貌似理由总是要有3点，
貌似理由总是要有3点，
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three reasons why I think
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为什么我会认为
05:00
that stories don't necessarily
make the world a better place.
make the world a better place.
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故事并不一定会把世界变得更美好。
05:06
Firstly, stories can create
an illusion of solidarity.
an illusion of solidarity.
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首先，故事会创造一种团结的假象。
没有什么东西会比
听到一个很棒的故事
听到一个很棒的故事
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There is nothing
like that feel-good factor you get
like that feel-good factor you get
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05:12
from listening to a fantastic story
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更让你感觉良好，
05:15
where you feel like you
climbed that mountain, right,
climbed that mountain, right,
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就像你自己登上了一座山峰，对吧，
或者你是那群被处死的犯人的朋友。
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or that you befriended
that death row inmate.
that death row inmate.
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05:21
But you didn't.
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但你并没有。
05:23
You haven't done anything.
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你什么都没做。
05:25
Listening is an important
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倾听对于社会活动而言
05:26
but insufficient step
towards social action.
towards social action.
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非常重要，但是又不够充分。
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Secondly, I think often we are drawn
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其次，我觉得我们
往往会被讨人喜欢的，有人性的
05:34
towards characters and protagonists
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角色或者主人公所吸引。
05:36
who are likable and human.
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这其实无可厚非，对吧？
05:40
And this makes sense, of course, right?
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因为如果你喜欢某个人，
你就会在乎他。
你就会在乎他。
05:42
Because if you like someone,
then you care about them.
then you care about them.
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但反过来说也是对的。
05:45
But the inverse is also true.
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05:47
If you don't like someone,
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如果你不喜欢某个人，
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then you don't care about them.
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你就不会在乎他。
05:51
And if you don't care about them,
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如果你不在乎他，
05:53
you don't have to see yourself
as having a moral obligation
as having a moral obligation
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你就不会觉得自己有义务
05:56
to think about the circumstances
that shaped their lives.
that shaped their lives.
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去考虑他们的生活
被干涉会有什么后果。
被干涉会有什么后果。
06:01
I learned this lesson
when I was 14 years old.
when I was 14 years old.
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我是在14岁的时候学到这一点的。
06:04
I learned that actually,
you don't have to like someone
you don't have to like someone
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具体来说就是，
你不需要喜欢一个人，
你不需要喜欢一个人，
06:07
to recognize their wisdom,
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才能看到他的智慧，
06:08
and you certainly
don't have to like someone
don't have to like someone
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你也不必因为喜欢一个人，
就要站在他那边。
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to take a stand by their side.
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06:12
So my bike was stolen
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我的自行车被偷了，
在我骑的时候被偷的——
06:15
while I was riding it --
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06:17
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:18
which is possible if you're
riding slowly enough, which I was.
riding slowly enough, which I was.
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很有可能啊，如果你
骑得非常慢的话，我就是啊。
骑得非常慢的话，我就是啊。
06:21
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:23
So one minute
I'm cutting across this field
I'm cutting across this field
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上一分钟我还骑行在一片田野中
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in the Nairobi neighborhood
where I grew up,
where I grew up,
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那是在我家乡内罗毕，
06:28
and it's like a very bumpy path,
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那条路很颠簸，
06:31
and so when you're riding a bike,
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当你骑自行车的时候，
06:32
you don't want to be like, you know --
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你不会想要骑成这样——
06:35
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:38
And so I'm going like this,
slowly pedaling,
slowly pedaling,
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于是我蹬得很慢，就像这样，
06:42
and all of a sudden, I'm on the floor.
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突然之间，我就倒到地上了。
06:45
I'm on the ground, and I look up,
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我躺在地上，往上看，
06:47
and there's this kid peddling away
in the getaway vehicle,
in the getaway vehicle,
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一个孩子扬长而去，
06:50
which is my bike,
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骑着我的车，
06:51
and he's about 11 or 12 years old,
and I'm on the floor,
and I'm on the floor,
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他差不多11、2岁，我躺在地上，
06:55
and I'm crying because I saved
a lot of money for that bike,
a lot of money for that bike,
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放声大哭，因为我
存了好久的钱才买的那辆自行车，
存了好久的钱才买的那辆自行车，
06:58
and I'm crying and I stand up
and I start screaming.
and I start screaming.
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我哭着站起来，然后开始尖叫。
07:00
Instinct steps in,
and I start screaming, "Mwizi, mwizi!"
and I start screaming, "Mwizi, mwizi!"
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之后我反应过来，
开始大喊“Mwizi，Mwizi！”
开始大喊“Mwizi，Mwizi！”
是斯瓦希里语“小偷”的意思。
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which means "thief" in Swahili.
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And out of the woodworks,
all of these people come out
all of these people come out
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突然不知道从哪里冒出来一群人，
就开始追那个小孩。
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and they start to give chase.
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那可是在非洲，
存在暴民正义的地方。
存在暴民正义的地方。
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This is Africa, so mob justice in action.
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Right?
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对吧？
我转过一个街角，
发现他们抓住了他，
发现他们抓住了他，
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And I round the corner,
and they've captured him,
and they've captured him,
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they've caught him.
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他被抓住了。
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The suspect has been apprehended,
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嫌疑人被逮捕了，
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and they make him give me my bike back,
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他们让他归还了我的自行车，
让他道歉。
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and they also make him apologize.
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Again, you know,
typical African justice, right?
typical African justice, right?
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又是一次典型的非洲式的正义，对吗？
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And so they make him say sorry.
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他们逼他说对不起。
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And so we stand there facing each other,
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于是我们面对面站着，
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and he looks at me, and he says sorry,
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他看着我，说对不起，
但他盯着我，怀着无法抑制的怒火。
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but he looks at me
with this unbridled fury.
with this unbridled fury.
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He is very, very angry.
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他真的非常非常生气。
这是我第一次跟人起冲突
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And it is the first time that I have been
confronted with someone
confronted with someone
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仅仅因为对方
不喜欢我所代表的阶层。
不喜欢我所代表的阶层。
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who doesn't like me
simply because of what I represent.
simply because of what I represent.
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他盯着我，感觉像是在说，
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He looks at me
with this look as if to say,
with this look as if to say,
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“你这个小妞，皮肤光洁，
有自行车，你还生我的气？”
有自行车，你还生我的气？”
07:55
"You, with your shiny skin
and your bike, you're angry at me?"
and your bike, you're angry at me?"
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08:01
So it was a hard lesson
that he didn't like me,
that he didn't like me,
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我很难相信，他不喜欢我，
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but you know what, he was right.
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但你知道吗，他并没有错。
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I was a middle-class kid
living in a poor country.
living in a poor country.
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我是一名中产阶级的孩子，
生活在一个贫穷的国家里。
生活在一个贫穷的国家里。
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I had a bike, and he barely had food.
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我有自行车，而他常常吃不饱。
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Sometimes, it's the messages
that we don't want to hear,
that we don't want to hear,
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有时候，那些我们并不想听到的话，
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the ones that make us
want to crawl out of ourselves,
want to crawl out of ourselves,
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那些会让我们觉得恶心想吐的话，
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that we need to hear the most.
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往往是我们最需要听到的。
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For every lovable storyteller
who steals your heart,
who steals your heart,
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对所有曾经抓住你们心灵的、
可爱的故事讲述者而言，
可爱的故事讲述者而言，
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there are hundreds more
whose voices are slurred and ragged,
whose voices are slurred and ragged,
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还有成百上千的声音
含糊不清、混乱不堪，
含糊不清、混乱不堪，
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who don't get to stand up on a stage
dressed in fine clothes like this.
dressed in fine clothes like this.
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他们没法穿得光鲜亮丽
站在舞台上，像我这样。
站在舞台上，像我这样。
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There are a million
angry-boy-on-a-bike stories
angry-boy-on-a-bike stories
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还有无数个“偷自行车的愤怒男孩”
这样的故事
这样的故事
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and we can't afford to ignore them
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我们不应该无视，
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simply because we don't like
their protagonists
their protagonists
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不应该仅仅因为我们不喜欢
故事的主人公
故事的主人公
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or because that's not the kid
that we would bring home with us
that we would bring home with us
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或者他不是我们
想从孤儿院领回家的孩子，
想从孤儿院领回家的孩子，
就忽视这些故事。
08:46
from the orphanage.
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The third reason that I think
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第3个原因，
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that stories don't necessarily
make the world a better place
make the world a better place
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故事并不一定要让世界变得更美好，
08:54
is that too often we are so invested
in the personal narrative
in the personal narrative
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我们太过经常加入个人的描述
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that we forget
to look at the bigger picture.
to look at the bigger picture.
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常常忘了看得更全面一些。
于是我们常常鼓掌，
09:00
And so we applaud someone
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09:02
when they tell us
about their feelings of shame,
about their feelings of shame,
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为了那些勇于分享自己羞愧感的人，
09:05
but we don't necessarily
link that to oppression.
link that to oppression.
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但我们没必要自己也觉得压抑。
09:09
We nod understandingly
when someone says they felt small,
when someone says they felt small,
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当别人说自己感到渺小的时候，
我们点头表示理解，
我们点头表示理解，
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but we don't link that to discrimination.
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但我们并不需要因此而歧视。
那些最重要的故事，
尤其是关于社会公义的，
尤其是关于社会公义的，
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The most important stories,
especially for social justice,
especially for social justice,
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are those that do both,
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都会有2种效果，
09:20
that are both personal and allow us
to explore and understand the political.
to explore and understand the political.
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它既是关于个人的，同时也让我们去
探索和思考政治。
探索和思考政治。
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But it's not just
about the stories we like
about the stories we like
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我们讨论的不仅仅是我们喜欢的故事
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versus the stories we choose to ignore.
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和我们选择忽略的故事间的较量。
09:29
Increasingly, we are living in a society
where there are larger forces at play,
where there are larger forces at play,
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我们生活的社会，
越来越多的力量相互交织，
越来越多的力量相互交织，
09:33
where stories are actually for many people
beginning to replace the news.
beginning to replace the news.
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很多人开始用故事来取代新闻。
对吧？
09:38
Yeah?
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我们生活的时代，
事实已经不那么重要，
事实已经不那么重要，
09:39
We live in a time where we are witnessing
the decline of facts,
the decline of facts,
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09:43
when emotions rule
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情绪掌控一切，
09:45
and analysis, it's kind of boring, right?
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然后各种分析，很无聊不是吗？
跟事实相比，
我们更珍视自己的感受。
我们更珍视自己的感受。
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Where we value what we feel
more than what we actually know.
more than what we actually know.
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09:54
A recent report by the Pew Center
on trends in America
on trends in America
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皮尤研究中心最近有一篇
研究美国趋势的报告指出，
研究美国趋势的报告指出，
09:58
indicates that only 10 percent
of young adults under the age of 30
of young adults under the age of 30
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30岁以下的成年人中间，只有10%
“非常相信媒体”。
10:04
"place a lot of trust in the media."
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10:07
Now, this is significant.
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这很说明问题。
意味着故事讲述者在赢得信任
10:09
It means that storytellers
are gaining trust
are gaining trust
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10:12
at precisely the same moment
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几乎与此同时
10:13
that many in the media
are losing the confidence in the public.
are losing the confidence in the public.
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许多媒体正在失去
公众对他们的信任。
公众对他们的信任。
10:18
This is not a good thing,
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这很糟糕，
10:20
because while stories are important
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因为尽管故事非常重要，
10:22
and they help us
to have insights in many ways,
to have insights in many ways,
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它们可以让我们
有多种方式来进行了解，
有多种方式来进行了解，
10:24
we need the media.
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但我们仍然需要媒体。
10:26
From my years
as a social justice activist,
as a social justice activist,
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在我做社会公义活动家的那些年，
10:29
I know very well that we need
credible facts from media institutions
credible facts from media institutions
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我深刻理解到，我们需要
从媒体机构了解可信的事实
从媒体机构了解可信的事实
同时也要听到
故事讲述者强有力的声音。
故事讲述者强有力的声音。
10:35
combined with the powerful voices
of storytellers.
of storytellers.
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10:39
That's what pushes the needle forward
in terms of social justice.
in terms of social justice.
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这样才能推动社会公义往前发展。
10:43
In the final analysis, of course,
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到最后，毫无疑问
10:48
it is justice
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是公义
10:50
that makes the world a better place,
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让世界变得更加美好，
10:52
not stories. Right?
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而不是故事，对吗？
既然我们寻求的是公义，
10:55
And so if it is justice that we are after,
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10:58
then I think we mustn't focus
on the media or on storytellers.
on the media or on storytellers.
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那我认为，我们不能关注媒体
或者是故事讲述者。
或者是故事讲述者。
11:01
We must focus on audiences,
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我们必须关注听众，
11:04
on anyone who has ever turned on a radio
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关注每一个打开收音机，
或者收听播客的人，
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or listened to a podcast,
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11:09
and that means all of us.
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也就是说，我们每一个人。
11:11
So a few concluding thoughts
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最后我想总结一下
听众该做些什么
来让世界变得更美好。
来让世界变得更美好。
11:13
on what audiences can do
to make the world a better place.
to make the world a better place.
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11:18
So firstly, the world
would be a better place, I think,
would be a better place, I think,
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首先，世界肯定会越变越好，我觉得，
如果听众更加好奇，更加不轻信，
11:21
if audiences were more curious
and more skeptical
and more skeptical
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11:25
and asked more questions
about the social context
about the social context
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对于产生了如此多
令人津津乐道的故事的社会环境
令人津津乐道的故事的社会环境
11:28
that created those stories
that they love so much.
that they love so much.
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有更多疑问的话。
11:32
Secondly, the world
would be a better place
would be a better place
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其次，世界肯定会越变越好，
11:34
if audiences recognized
that storytelling is intellectual work.
that storytelling is intellectual work.
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如果听众们意识到
讲故事是一项智力活。
讲故事是一项智力活。
另外我觉得，还有一点很重要，
11:39
And I think it would
be important for audiences
be important for audiences
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11:42
to demand more buttons
on their favorite websites,
on their favorite websites,
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听众应该要求他们喜欢的网站
多设置一些按钮，比如
11:47
buttons for example that say,
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“如果你喜欢这个故事，
11:50
"If you liked this story,
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11:52
click here to support a cause
your storyteller believes in."
your storyteller believes in."
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点击这里支持你的故事讲述者
所相信的事业。”
所相信的事业。”
11:56
Or "click here to contribute
to your storyteller's next big idea."
to your storyteller's next big idea."
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或者“点击这里为你的故事讲述者投稿，
支持他的下一部作品。”
支持他的下一部作品。”
12:02
Often, we are committed to the platforms,
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因为我们常常是冲着平台去的，
12:05
but not necessarily
to the storytellers themselves.
to the storytellers themselves.
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而没有关注故事讲述者本人。
12:07
And then lastly, I think that audiences
can make the world a better place
can make the world a better place
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最后，我觉得听众
能让世界变得更美好，
能让世界变得更美好，
12:12
by switching off their phones,
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就是关掉手机，
12:15
by stepping away from their screens
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离开整天面对的屏幕，
12:17
and stepping out into the real world
beyond what feels safe.
beyond what feels safe.
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走出安全区，踏入真实的世界。
12:22
Alice Walker has said,
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艾丽斯·沃克说过，
12:24
"Look closely at the present
you are constructing.
you are constructing.
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“走近观察你目前正在做的，
12:28
It should look like the future
you are dreaming."
you are dreaming."
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它看起来应该跟你梦想的未来相似。”
12:32
Storytellers can help us to dream,
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故事讲述者能帮我们梦想，
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but it's up to all of us
to have a plan for justice.
to have a plan for justice.
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但要想达成公义
还得靠我们每一个人。
还得靠我们每一个人。
12:39
Thank you.
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谢谢大家。
12:40
(Applause)
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（掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sisonke Msimang - Writer, activistSisonke Msimang untangles the threads of race, class and gender that run through the fabric of African and global culture.
Why you should listen
Sisonke Msimang tells stories about justice and human rights. In the early part of her career, Msimang set up a fund fight for people whose health had been compromised by their race, class and gender identities. In 2008 she became the executive director of the Open Society Initiative for Southern Africa, responsible for making grants on human rights projects. Msimang is now the head of programs at the Centre for Stories, a new initiative that collects, preserves and shares stories about migrants, refugees and diverse people and places linked to the Indian Ocean Rim.
Msimang has been awarded a number of fellowships including from Yale University, the University of the Witwatersrand and the Aspen Institute. She also contributes regularly to the New York Times, Newsweek, the Guardian and a range of other outlets. You can watch her Moth talk on the power of listening here.
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