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Theo E.J. Wilson: A black man goes undercover in the alt-right
席歐 E.J. 威爾森: 一個黑人到另類右派去臥底
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別錯過這場關於美國種族和政治的演說，在這場演說中，席歐 E.J. 威爾森談到了他如何變成白人至上主義潛水者 "Lucius25"、他在和他不認同的人身上發現了未預期的同情，以及令人訝異的觀點。他鼓勵我們放下恐懼，擁抱好奇心，和我們認為與我們不同的人進行勇敢的交談。他說：「交談能阻止暴力，交談是國家的開始，它們能建立橋樑。」
Theo E.J. Wilson - Public intellectual
Theo E.J. Wilson encourages us to break through the divides that separate us. Full bio
Theo E.J. Wilson encourages us to break through the divides that separate us. Full bio
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00:13
I took a cell phone
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我拿了一支手機，
00:15
and accidentally made myself famous.
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不小心就讓我自己成名了。
00:19
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
00:20
I was just talking
about the things that I cared about,
about the things that I cared about,
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我只是在談論我在乎的事情，
00:23
but with the click of a button
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但因為按了個按鈕，
00:26
and an incendiary viral video
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以及一支很煽動的影片
像病毒被傳開，
像病毒被傳開，
00:29
I propelled myself into overnight stardom.
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我就讓自己一夜成名了。
00:32
When I say overnight,
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我說「一夜」，
00:34
I mean I literally woke up
the next morning
the next morning
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意思就是隔天早上我起床時，
00:36
with so many notifications on my phone,
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手機顯示一大堆通知，
00:38
I thought I slept
through a national tragedy.
through a national tragedy.
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我還以為睡覺時
發生了什麼國家悲劇。
發生了什麼國家悲劇。
00:41
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
00:45
It was the craziest thing, guys,
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各位，這件事真的很瘋狂，
00:47
but when it came to my influence
and my exposure,
and my exposure,
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但是它帶給我的影響力和曝光度，
00:51
I literally took a quantum leap.
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真的是大躍進。
00:54
So I made more videos
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所以我製作了更多影片，
00:56
and the subject matter of my videos
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我這些影片的主題，
00:58
was often the most divisive subject
in American life,
in American life,
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通常是美國生活中最會
引發分歧意見的主題，
引發分歧意見的主題，
01:02
but it was the way that I articulated race
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但，正是我明確表現種族的方式，
01:05
that made me somewhat
of a digital lightning rod.
of a digital lightning rod.
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讓我成為了一支數位避雷針。
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See, being a survivor myself
of police brutality
of police brutality
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我自己就是警察暴行下的生還者，
01:11
and having lost a childhood friend,
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且我失去了兒時的朋友
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Alonzo Ashley,
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阿隆索·艾希利，
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at the hands of the police,
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他死在警察的手上，
01:17
I had a little something
to say about the topic.
to say about the topic.
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對這個話題，我有些話要說。
01:20
You see, this was at the height
of the Black Lives Matter furor
of the Black Lives Matter furor
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這是「黑人的命也是命」
運動的狂怒高峰，
運動的狂怒高峰，
01:23
and people seemed to be turning
to me to articulate their viewpoints,
to me to articulate their viewpoints,
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似乎人們會來找我，
來明確表達他們的觀點，
來明確表達他們的觀點，
01:26
and honestly, it was sort of overwhelming.
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老實說，我有點無法招架。
01:29
You see, the internet
has this interesting quality.
has this interesting quality.
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網際網路有種很有趣的特性。
01:32
In one way, it totally
brought the world together,
brought the world together,
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從某方面來看，它讓世界團結，
01:35
and I remember being a kid
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我記得我小時候，
01:37
and all of this utopian propaganda
was being dumped on us
was being dumped on us
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我們被這些幻想的宣傳給淹沒了，
01:41
about how the World Wide Web
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都是在說網際網路
01:43
was going to span the reaches
of people across the globe.
of people across the globe.
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將如何讓人們能接觸的
範圍擴及到全球。
範圍擴及到全球。
01:46
But as it turns out, people are people.
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但結果發現，人就是人。
01:49
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
01:51
And this magical superhighway
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而這條魔法般的高速公路
01:54
also took the demons of our nature
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也把我們天性中的惡魔喚醒，
01:56
and gave them Ferraris.
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還給他們法拉利跑車。
01:57
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:02
You see, technology, y'all,
is a lot like money.
is a lot like money.
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科技和金錢很像。
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It just brings out what's already
inside you and amplifies it.
inside you and amplifies it.
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它會把你內在已經存在的
特性帶出來並放大。
特性帶出來並放大。
02:09
And so I soon became familiar
with the phenomenon of the internet troll.
with the phenomenon of the internet troll.
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很快，我就開始熟悉了
「網路白目」的現象。
「網路白目」的現象。
02:16
These guys seem to live
beneath the bridges
beneath the bridges
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這些人似乎住在前面提到的
02:19
of said superhighway --
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高速公路的底下……
02:21
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:24
And they also missed the memo about
the enlightenment of the internet age.
the enlightenment of the internet age.
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他們也漏掉了
網路啟蒙時代的備忘錄。
網路啟蒙時代的備忘錄。
02:29
I remember being called
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我還記得我曾被在網路上
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highly colorful racial slurs
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用非常帶種族歧視的字眼辱罵。
02:35
by those who use
the anonymity of the internet
the anonymity of the internet
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罵我的人利用網路匿名的特性
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as a Klan hood.
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做出 3K 黨行為。
02:40
And some of them
were pretty creative, actually,
were pretty creative, actually,
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其實有些辱罵還蠻有創意的，
02:43
but others were pretty wounding,
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但其他的則很傷人，
02:46
especially navigating
the post-traumatic world
the post-traumatic world
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特別是在生存者的後創傷世界中，
02:49
of a police brutality survivor
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我是「黑人的命也是命」高峰期時
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in the height of Black Lives Matter,
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警方暴行之下的生存者，
02:53
with all of these people
being killed on my timeline.
being killed on my timeline.
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我的動態時報上
出現了好多被殺害的人。
出現了好多被殺害的人。
02:57
To these trolls, I wasn't a human.
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對這些白目而言，我不是人類。
03:00
I was an idea, an object,
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我是一個概念、一個物件、
03:02
a caricature.
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一個諷刺漫畫。
03:04
Did I mention that this race stuff
can be kind of divisive?
can be kind of divisive?
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我有沒有提過，
這種種族問題可能會引起分化？
03:07
You see, I'm an innately curious person
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我天生就很有好奇心，
03:10
and as I drew my sword to engage
in epic battles in the comment section --
in epic battles in the comment section --
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當我拔出我的劍
去參加史詩般的評論戰役……
去參加史詩般的評論戰役……
03:15
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:21
I also began to notice
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我也開始注意到
03:24
that a few of my trolls
actually had brains,
actually had brains,
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攻擊我的白目當中
有幾個其實是有腦的，
有幾個其實是有腦的，
03:27
which made me even more curious
and what to understand them even further.
and what to understand them even further.
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這讓我更好奇，
想要進一步了解他們。
想要進一步了解他們。
03:31
And although these supposed morons
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雖然這些應該是白痴的人
03:34
engaged in what appeared
to be original thought,
to be original thought,
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參與了顯然是原創的思想，
03:38
I said to myself,
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我告訴我自己：
03:40
"Um, these guys are highly misinformed,
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「呃，這些人被嚴重誤導了，
03:42
at least according to my knowledge."
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至少就我所知是如此。」
03:45
Where are these guys
getting these arguments from?
getting these arguments from?
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這些人的論點是從哪來的啊？
比如，是不是有個平行宇宙，
03:47
Like, was there some kind
of alternative universe
of alternative universe
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裡面有著平行事實？
03:49
with alternative facts?
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03:51
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:54
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
04:01
Was history and gravity
optional over there?
optional over there?
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在那裡，歷史和引力是不是選修課？
04:04
I don't know.
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我不知道。
04:07
But I needed to know.
Like, I wanted to know.
Like, I wanted to know.
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但我需要知道，我想要知道。
04:10
And as it turns out, I had no idea
about digital echo chambers.
about digital echo chambers.
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結果發現，我完全不懂數位迴聲室。
04:16
That same target marketing algorithm
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那個用來塞一堆
04:18
that feeds you more
of the products you like to buy
of the products you like to buy
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你想要買的商品給你的演算法，
04:21
also feeds you more
of the news that you like to hear.
of the news that you like to hear.
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也會塞給你一堆你想聽的新聞。
04:24
I had been living in an online universe
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我一直住在一個線上宇宙中，
04:26
that just reflected
my worldview back to me.
my worldview back to me.
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它只會把我的世界觀反射回來給我。
04:29
So my timeline was pretty liberal.
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所以，我的動態時報挺自由派的。
04:31
I had no Breitbart
or Infowars or Fox News.
or Infowars or Fox News.
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我沒有極右派的
《布賴特巴特新聞網》、
《布賴特巴特新聞網》、
《資訊戰》或《福斯新聞頻道》。
04:35
No, no, I was all MSNBC
and The Daily Show,
and The Daily Show,
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沒有，我的都是立場中間的
MSNBC 新聞、
MSNBC 新聞、
惡搞的《喬恩·史都華每日秀》、
04:40
CNN and theGrio, right?
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CNN、左派新聞 theGrio，對吧？
04:42
Well, these trolls were hopping
the dimensional doorway
the dimensional doorway
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而這些白目跳過了次元入口，
04:46
and I needed to figure out how.
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而我必須要找出他們如何辦到的。
04:48
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
04:54
So what I decided to do
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所以，我決定要做的是，
04:57
was trick the Facebook algorithm
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去騙過臉書的演算法，
04:59
into feeding me more news
that I didn't necessarily agree with,
that I didn't necessarily agree with,
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讓它塞給我更多
我不見得認同的新聞，
我不見得認同的新聞，
05:03
and this worked fine for a while,
but it wasn't enough,
but it wasn't enough,
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這有一陣子還算行得通，但還不夠，
05:05
because my online footprint
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因為我的網路足跡
05:07
already established the patterns
that I like to hear.
that I like to hear.
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已經建立了我想聽見什麼的模式。
05:10
So with the anonymity of the internet,
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所以，透過網路的匿名特性，
05:12
I went undercover.
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我去做了臥底。
05:14
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:17
I set up this ghost profile
and went crazy.
and went crazy.
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我設定了幽靈帳號，且大搞特搞。
05:22
Now, on a practical level,
it was very simple,
it was very simple,
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就實際面來說，這是很簡單的，
05:26
but on an emotional level,
it was kind of daunting,
it was kind of daunting,
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但就情緒面來說，就有點令人怯步，
05:28
especially with the racist vitriol
that I had experienced.
that I had experienced.
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特別是在我經歷過
種族的辛辣批評之後。
種族的辛辣批評之後。
05:32
But what I didn't realize
is that my trolls were inoculating me,
is that my trolls were inoculating me,
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但我了解到，攻擊我的白目
是在給我做預防接種，
是在給我做預防接種，
05:36
thickening my skin,
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讓我的皮膚變厚，
05:38
making me immune to viewpoints
that I didn't necessarily agree with,
that I didn't necessarily agree with,
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讓我對於我不見得同意的觀點免疫，
05:42
and so I didn't react to the same things
as I would have several months prior.
as I would have several months prior.
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所以我的反應就會
和幾個月之前不同。
和幾個月之前不同。
05:46
All right? So I pressed on.
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所以，我加緊繼續進行下去。
05:49
Noticing that this stuff
also worked on YouTube,
also worked on YouTube,
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我注意到，這種演算法
也有在 YouTube 上運作，
也有在 YouTube 上運作，
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I became Lucius25,
white supremacist lurker --
white supremacist lurker --
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我就變身為 Lucius25，
白人至上主義潛水者……
白人至上主義潛水者……
05:57
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:04
And digitally I began to infiltrate
the infamous alt-right movement.
the infamous alt-right movement.
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我開始以數位的方式
滲透聲名狼藉的另類右派運動。
滲透聲名狼藉的另類右派運動。
06:10
Now, my doppelgänger
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而我的幽靈
06:12
was Edgar Rice Burroughs'
John Carter character --
John Carter character --
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是愛德加·萊斯·巴勒斯的
約翰·卡特角色......
約翰·卡特角色......
06:15
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:18
a sci-fi hero who was once
a Confederate soldier.
a Confederate soldier.
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他是個科幻英雄，
曾是南北戰爭時南部邦聯的士兵。
曾是南北戰爭時南部邦聯的士兵。
06:22
And to think, like, years ago,
I would have needed acting training
I would have needed acting training
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想想看，如果是在數年前，
我還需要受演技訓練、
我還需要受演技訓練、
06:25
and, like, makeup and a fake ID.
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也要有化妝、假身份證才行得通。
06:28
Now I could just lurk.
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現在我只要網路上潛水就好了。
06:31
And so I started
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所以，我一開始
06:34
with a little Infowars,
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試了一點極右派網站《資訊戰》，
06:36
went on into some American Renaissance,
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接著來些白人優越主義媒體
《美國文藝復興》、
《美國文藝復興》、
06:39
National Vanguard Alliance,
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新納粹組織《國家先鋒》網站，
06:41
and, you know, I started
commenting on videos,
commenting on videos,
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我開始對影片發表評論，
06:44
talking bad about Al Sharpton
and Black Lives Matter.
and Black Lives Matter.
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說非裔民權運動家阿爾·夏普頓和
「黑人的命也是命」的壞話。
「黑人的命也是命」的壞話。
06:47
I started bemoaning race baiters
like Eric Holder and Barack Obama
like Eric Holder and Barack Obama
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我開始酸用種族譁眾取寵的人，
如埃里克·霍爾德和巴拉克·歐巴馬，
如埃里克·霍爾德和巴拉克·歐巴馬，
06:54
and just mirroring
the antiblack sentiments
the antiblack sentiments
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我只是把丟向我的那些反黑人情緒
06:57
that were thrown at me.
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給反射回去。
06:58
And to be honest,
it was kind of exhilarating.
it was kind of exhilarating.
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老實說，還蠻讓人振奮的。
07:01
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:05
Like, I would literally spend days
clicking through my new racist profile --
clicking through my new racist profile --
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我有時會花好幾天一直點擊
我的新種族主義者個人檔案──
我的新種族主義者個人檔案──
07:09
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:12
Goofing off at work in Aryan land.
It was something else.
It was something else.
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工作時到種族優越的
「雅利安」天地偷懶，
「雅利安」天地偷懶，
真是夠好玩的。
07:17
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:19
And so I then started
visiting some of the pages
visiting some of the pages
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接著，我開始造訪一些
先前留言給我的白目的個人頁面，
07:23
of my former trolls,
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07:25
and a lot of these guys
were just regular Joes,
were just regular Joes,
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這些人當中有不少
都只是一般老百姓，
都只是一般老百姓，
07:29
a lot of outdoorsmen,
hunters, computer nerds,
hunters, computer nerds,
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有很多喜愛戶外活動者、
獵人、電腦迷，
獵人、電腦迷，
07:33
some of them family guys
with videos of their families.
with videos of their families.
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有些人是有家室的，
有分享家庭的影片。
有分享家庭的影片。
07:36
I mean, for all I know, some of y'all
could be in this room right now. Right?
could be in this room right now. Right?
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我的意思是，有些人甚至
有可能就在這間講廳中，對吧？
有可能就在這間講廳中，對吧？
07:40
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:43
But when I went undercover,
I found a lovely plethora of characters,
I found a lovely plethora of characters,
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但，當我去臥底時，
我發現了一幫超可愛的人物，
我發現了一幫超可愛的人物，
07:48
luminaries like Milo Yiannopoulos,
Richard Spencer and David Duke.
Richard Spencer and David Duke.
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像保守派的米羅·雅諾波魯斯、
理查德·斯賓塞、
大衛·杜克等傑出人士。
大衛·杜克等傑出人士。
07:54
All of these guys were
thought leaders in their own right,
thought leaders in their own right,
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這些人本身就都是思想領袖，
07:57
but over time, the alt-right movement
ended up using their information
ended up using their information
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但隨著時間，另類右派運動
到頭來利用他們的資訊
到頭來利用他們的資訊
08:02
to fuel their momentum.
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來激發其氣勢。
08:04
And I'm going to tell you what else
led to the momentum of the alt-right:
led to the momentum of the alt-right:
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我來告訴各位，還有什麼
造成了另類右派的氣勢：
造成了另類右派的氣勢：
08:07
the left wing's wholesale demonization
of everything white and male.
of everything white and male.
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左翼大規模地把所有白人、
男性的一切都給妖魔化。
男性的一切都給妖魔化。
08:13
If you are a pale-skinned penis-haver,
you're in league with Satan.
you're in league with Satan.
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如果你是白皮膚又有老二的人，
你就是撒旦的同盟。
你就是撒旦的同盟。
08:17
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
08:25
Now, would you believe,
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你是否相信，
08:27
would you believe that some people
find that offensive?
find that offensive?
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你是否相信，有些人會覺得
這樣是很冒犯人的？
這樣是很冒犯人的？
08:31
And --
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且……
08:32
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
08:33
And so, I mean, listen,
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我的意思是，聽著，
08:36
the fact is that millennials
get a lifetime of diet brand history.
get a lifetime of diet brand history.
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事實是，千禧世代的人
一生所見的都是簡化歷史。
一生所見的都是簡化歷史。
08:42
I mean, America seems to be hellbent
on filling its textbooks
on filling its textbooks
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我的意思是，美國似乎
拼命把教科書裝滿
拼命把教科書裝滿
08:46
with CliffsNotes versions
of its dark past.
of its dark past.
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CliffsNotes 那種
精簡版的美國黑暗過去。
精簡版的美國黑暗過去。
08:49
This severely, severely decontextualizes
race and the anger associated with it,
race and the anger associated with it,
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做了嚴重的去情境化，
將歷史相關的種族及憤怒排除，
將歷史相關的種族及憤怒排除，
08:56
and that is fertile ground
for alt-facts to grow.
for alt-facts to grow.
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那就是另類事實
可以成長的肥沃土地。
可以成長的肥沃土地。
08:59
Add in the wild landscape of the internet
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加上網路如此廣大，
09:02
and it's easy to sell
rebranded "Mein Kampf" ideas
rebranded "Mein Kampf" ideas
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很容易就能把希特勒那套
《我的奮鬥》的想法重新包裝，
《我的奮鬥》的想法重新包裝，
09:06
to a generation who has been
failed by public schools.
failed by public schools.
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賣給被公立學校辜負的世代。
09:10
A lot of these ideas, easily debunked.
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很多這些想法，很容易被駁斥。
09:13
Alt-facts have that quality.
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另類事實有這樣的特質。
09:14
However, one theme kept screaming at me
through the subtext of those arguments,
through the subtext of those arguments,
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然而，有個主題一直透過
這些論點的弦外之音向我大叫，
這些論點的弦外之音向我大叫，
09:20
and that was,
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那就是，
09:22
why should I be hated
for who I cannot help but be?
for who I cannot help but be?
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我無法選擇我的出身，
為什麼我要因此而被痛恨？
為什麼我要因此而被痛恨？
09:26
Now, as a black man in America,
that resonated with me.
that resonated with me.
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身為在美國的黑人，
我對這點有共鳴。
我對這點有共鳴。
09:29
I have spent so much time
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我花了好多時間
09:31
defending myself
against attempts to demonize me
against attempts to demonize me
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在別人試圖將我妖魔化時
為我自己辯護，
為我自己辯護，
09:34
and make me apologize for who I am,
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他們想要我為自己的出身道歉，
09:36
trying to portray me
as something that I'm not,
as something that I'm not,
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他們試圖將我描述成
一個並非我的人，
一個並非我的人，
09:38
some kind of thug or gangster,
a menace to society.
a menace to society.
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某種混混、幫派份子、
對社會的威脅。
對社會的威脅。
09:42
Unexpected compassion.
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未預期的同情。
09:44
Wow.
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哇。
09:45
Now, listen,
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聽著，
09:47
the historical source of the demonization
of black males and white males
of black males and white males
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黑人男性和白人男性
被妖魔化的歷史來源
被妖魔化的歷史來源
09:51
is highly different,
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是非常不同的，
09:53
and where you fall on this argument,
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而決定你是否會落入
這個論點的時間點，
這個論點的時間點，
09:55
sadly, tends to be an accident of birth.
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很遺憾，通常是你出生時。
09:59
Now, you're probably surprised
by this perspective,
by this perspective,
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你可能會對這個觀點感到驚訝，
10:03
and so was I.
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我本來也是。
10:05
Never in a billion years did I think
that I could have some kind of compassion
that I could have some kind of compassion
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我從來沒有想過，
恨我入骨的人會對我表示同情。
10:08
for people who hated my guts.
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請注意，這同情還沒到
讓我想要交朋友的程度。
讓我想要交朋友的程度。
10:11
Now, mind you, not enough compassion
like I want to be friends.
like I want to be friends.
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10:14
I don't have infinite olive branches
to extend to people
to extend to people
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我並沒有無限的橄欖枝
（象徵和平）來延伸到
（象徵和平）來延伸到
10:17
who, like, would not want
to see me on this planet. Right?
to see me on this planet. Right?
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那些不想看見我存在於
地球上的人，對吧？
地球上的人，對吧？
10:21
But just enough compassion to understand
how they got to where they are.
how they got to where they are.
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但這同情的量剛好足以
讓我願意去了解
讓我願意去了解
他們如何走到現在這一步的。
10:26
And to be honest,
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老實說，
10:27
there were a couple of fair points.
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有幾點是公平的。
10:29
One of them was how liberals
have this wide acceptance for everybody
have this wide acceptance for everybody
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其中一點是，自由主義者對於
每個人都有廣大的接受度，
每個人都有廣大的接受度，
10:35
except for those with honestly held
conservative viewpoints.
conservative viewpoints.
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除了那些觀點保守的人。
10:38
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
10:40
Heaven forbid you love God,
this country and mean it. Right?
this country and mean it. Right?
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老天，你愛上帝，愛這個國家，
且是真心的。對吧？
且是真心的。對吧？
10:46
And another thing that they talked about
was this fear that they had
was this fear that they had
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他們談論的另一件事是他們的恐懼，
10:49
of something that they labeled
as "white genocide,"
as "white genocide,"
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對於他們所謂的
「白色大屠殺」的恐懼，
「白色大屠殺」的恐懼，
10:52
that diversity would be a force
that would wipe them out.
that would wipe them out.
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「多樣性」會是一股力量，
足以將他們剷除。
足以將他們剷除。
10:56
Now listen, I know what it is to fear
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聽著，我知道為了
你的族人的命運而感到恐懼
你的族人的命運而感到恐懼
10:59
for the fate of your people.
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是怎樣的感覺。
11:01
Between crack, AIDS, gang violence,
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在有著古柯鹼、愛滋、幫派暴力、
11:04
mass incarceration,
gentrification, police shootings,
gentrification, police shootings,
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大規模監禁、中產階級化，
及警方槍擊的世界上，
及警方槍擊的世界上，
11:08
black people have more
than enough reasons to stay up at night.
than enough reasons to stay up at night.
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黑人在晚上無法入眠是非常合理的。
11:11
But if nature is into diversity
and you are not,
and you are not,
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但如果大自然熱衷於多樣性，
而你卻不熱衷，
而你卻不熱衷，
11:14
you're going to lose that fight, buddy.
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你就會輸掉這場仗，夥伴。
11:17
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
11:20
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
11:27
You see, nature doesn't care
about your race. That's man-made.
about your race. That's man-made.
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要知道，大自然不在乎你的種族。
那是人編造的。
11:30
Nature just cares about healthy organisms,
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大自然只在乎健康有機體，
11:32
and your precious ethnic features
are expendable to that aim.
are expendable to that aim.
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就這個目的來說，你珍貴的
民族特徵是不重要的。
民族特徵是不重要的。
11:36
So the moment that you let go
of that racist identity
of that racist identity
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所以，當你放下種族主義身份
11:41
and relatch onto humanity,
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並與人性重新連結的時候，
11:42
all your problems go away.
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你所有的問題都會消失。
11:44
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
11:52
I'm going to tell you
what race ain't about to die out:
what race ain't about to die out:
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我要告訴各位，什麼種族不會滅絕：
11:55
the human race.
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人類。
11:56
Join the party. The water's great.
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來玩吧！水很棒！
11:59
Until the water gets too hot,
but that's another TED Talk.
but that's another TED Talk.
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除非水變得太燙，
但那是另一個 TED 演說了。
但那是另一個 TED 演說了。
12:02
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
12:06
The point is that to get
to this point of understanding,
to this point of understanding,
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重點是，若要達到這樣的理解，
12:10
you have to let go of that fear
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你得要放下那恐懼，
12:12
and embrace your curiosity,
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擁抱你的好奇心，
12:14
and sadly, too many people
will not take that journey
will not take that journey
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可惜的是，太多人不願走這趟旅行，
12:17
to see the world from the other side.
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不願去從另一邊看看這個世界。
12:20
And, I mean, let's be honest,
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咱們別自欺欺人，
12:22
that doesn't just go for progressives,
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並不只有改革派是如此，
12:24
but also to the right wing
and conservatives.
and conservatives.
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右翼和保守份子亦是如此。
12:26
You know, as fair
as some of their points were,
as some of their points were,
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雖然他們的一些觀點是公平的，
12:29
they were still trapped
in their own echo chambers,
in their own echo chambers,
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他們仍然被困在
他們自己的迴聲室裡，
他們自己的迴聲室裡，
12:31
recycling old, outdated points of view,
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回收老舊、過時的觀點，
12:34
never getting a diversity in perspective,
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永遠不能得到多樣化的觀點，
12:36
not making them well-rounded
in their worldview.
in their worldview.
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他們的世界觀也無法面面俱道。
12:39
So they're not hearing
certain anti-racist and political voices,
certain anti-racist and political voices,
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所以，他們聽不見某些
反種族主義和政治的聲音，
反種族主義和政治的聲音，
12:44
voices like Tim Wise
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這些聲音包括蒂姆·懷斯、
12:46
and Michelle Alexander, Dr. Joy DeGruy,
Boyce Watkins, Tariq Nasheed.
Boyce Watkins, Tariq Nasheed.
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蜜雪兒·亞歷山大、喬伊·迪葛萊、
博伊斯·瓦特金斯，
及塔瑞克·納希德的聲音。
及塔瑞克·納希德的聲音。
12:51
All of these voices have the answers
to the questions that they want,
to the questions that they want,
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所有這些聲音都有
他們想要的問題的答案，
他們想要的問題的答案，
12:55
but unfortunately they will not hear them
due to the power of these echo chambers.
due to the power of these echo chambers.
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但不幸的是，他們聽不見，
因為迴聲室的力量太大。
因為迴聲室的力量太大。
13:00
We have got to break out
of these digital divides,
of these digital divides,
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我們得要脫離這些數位的分歧，
13:04
because as our technology advances,
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因為隨著我們的科技進步，
13:06
the consequences of our tribalism
become more dangerous.
become more dangerous.
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我們的部落意識帶來的後果
會變得更危險。
會變得更危險。
13:10
And this whole experience
taught me something:
taught me something:
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這整個經驗教了我一件事：
13:13
our gadgets ain't going to save us.
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我們的小玩意兒無法解救我們。
13:16
All these technological devices
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所有這些科技裝置
13:19
are only mastery of the universe
out there, not the one in here.
out there, not the one in here.
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只是掌握外面的宇宙，
而非裡面的這個。
而非裡面的這個。
13:24
And so that's all IQ, not EQ.
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所以，那全是智商，不是情商。
13:27
That's a dangerous imbalance.
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那是種很危險的不平衡。
13:29
Where do you get
the emotional intelligence,
the emotional intelligence,
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你從哪能得到情緒智商、
13:32
the character development,
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性格發展、
13:33
the virtues of patience,
forbearance, compassion,
forbearance, compassion,
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耐心的美德、寬容、同情，
13:36
you know, the things that make sure
that these devices, however advanced,
that these devices, however advanced,
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也就是能用來確保這些裝置
──不論多先進──
──不論多先進──
13:40
become a blessing and not a curse?
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都只會變成福賜而非詛咒的東西？
13:43
Seems to be me that humanity itself
needs an upgrade.
needs an upgrade.
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就我看來，人性本身需要升級。
13:48
Now --
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所以──
13:49
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
13:54
That's a big task, understandably,
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那是項很大的任務，可以理解，
13:57
but I don't believe
in any kind of unbeatable monster.
in any kind of unbeatable monster.
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但我不相信有什麼怪獸是打不敗的。
14:00
There was no giant out there
without perhaps a simple Achilles heel.
without perhaps a simple Achilles heel.
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不可能有個巨人卻沒有
比如像是個簡單的阿基里斯腱。
比如像是個簡單的阿基里斯腱。
14:04
And what if I told you
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讓我告訴你們
14:05
that one of the best ways
to actually overcome this
to actually overcome this
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克服這一點，最好的方式之一，
14:09
is to have courageous conversations
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就是和難搞的人進行勇敢的交談，
14:12
with difficult people,
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14:15
people who do not see the world
the same way that you see the world?
the same way that you see the world?
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也就是和你用不同方式看世界的人。
14:18
Oh yes, folks, conversations may be
indeed the key to that upgrade,
indeed the key to that upgrade,
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是的，各位，交談
可能就是那升級的關鍵，
可能就是那升級的關鍵，
14:23
because remember,
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因為，切記，
14:25
language was the first form
of virtual reality.
of virtual reality.
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語言是虛擬現實的第一個形式。
14:28
It is literally a symbolic representation
of the physical world,
of the physical world,
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它其實就是物質世界的
一種象徵性表現，
一種象徵性表現，
14:32
and through this device,
we change the physical world.
we change the physical world.
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透過這個裝置，
我們能改變物質世界。
我們能改變物質世界。
14:35
Keep in mind, conversations stop violence,
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牢記在心，交談能阻止暴力，
14:38
conversations start countries,
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交談是國家的開始，
14:40
they build bridges,
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它們能建立橋樑，
14:41
and when the chips are down,
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當晶片掛掉的時候，
14:43
conversations are the last tools
that humans use
that humans use
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交談就是人類在拿起槍枝之前
所能使用的最後工具。
14:46
before they pick up their guns.
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14:48
And I ain't talking
about online safe conversations
about online safe conversations
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我說的並不是用筆電在網路上
14:51
from the security of your laptop.
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做安全的交談。
14:52
No.
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不是。
14:54
I'm talking about in-your-face
conversations with real, breathing people.
conversations with real, breathing people.
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我在說的是面對面的交談，
和會呼吸的真人交談。
和會呼吸的真人交談。
14:58
And for me, this looks
like running a community forum
like running a community forum
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對我來說，這就像是
經營一個社群論壇，
經營一個社群論壇，
15:02
called Shop Talk Live.
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叫做「Shop Talk Live」。
15:04
Now, in Shop Talk Live --
somebody's been there, right?
somebody's been there, right?
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在「Shop Talk Live」中──
有人有去過，對吧？
有人有去過，對吧？
15:07
In Shop Talk Live,
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在「Shop Talk Live」中，
15:09
we have the conversations
that change lives.
that change lives.
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我們有能改變人生的交談。
15:12
We meet the community
right where they are,
right where they are,
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我們直接接觸社區的所在，
15:14
and we've done everything
from divert gang violence in real time
from divert gang violence in real time
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我們什麼都做，
從即時轉移幫派暴力，
從即時轉移幫派暴力，
15:19
to help find people jobs
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到協助人們找工作，
15:21
to mentoring homeless youth.
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到教導無家可歸的青年。
15:23
And the reason why we needed to do this
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我們需要這麼做的理由，
15:25
is because there was a severe lack
of trust in the black community
of trust in the black community
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是因為古柯鹼時代的暴力
15:29
due to the violence of the crack era.
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造成黑人社區中非常缺乏信任。
15:32
And so we ended up taking
agency into our own hands,
agency into our own hands,
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所以我們最後決定
將代理權收回自己手中，
將代理權收回自己手中，
15:35
solving our own problems,
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自己解決自己的問題，
15:37
not waiting for anybody else.
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不要等其他人來做。
15:39
And the truth is,
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真相是，
15:40
from the mayor to the felon,
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從市長到重罪犯，
15:42
you're going to find them
in that barber shop.
in that barber shop.
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你在理髮店都可以找到他們。
15:44
And so what we did was just
organize what was already going on.
organize what was already going on.
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所以我們所做的只是把
已經發生的事組織起來。
已經發生的事組織起來。
15:47
And so what I started doing
was mining these alternative viewpoints
was mining these alternative viewpoints
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我開始挖掘這些平行數位宇宙，
15:51
from these alternative digital universes,
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挖出這些平行觀點，
15:53
dissecting them, breaking them down
into controversial talking points.
into controversial talking points.
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解析它們，把它們分解成
有爭議的交談重點。
有爭議的交談重點。
15:57
Then, with my cell phone,
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接著，用我的手機，
16:00
I flipped the internet against itself
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我翻轉了網路讓它對抗它自己，
16:02
and began to broadcast
these live conversations
these live conversations
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並開始轉播這些現場交談
16:05
to my online followers.
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給我線上的追縱者看。
16:07
This made them want to leave
the safety of their laptops
the safety of their laptops
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這讓他們想要離開
躲在筆電後的安全感，
躲在筆電後的安全感，
16:10
and meet us in person
to have real conversations
to have real conversations
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與我們親自見面，
16:12
with real people in real life.
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和真實人生的真實人類
做真實的交談。
做真實的交談。
16:14
And we did this. Thank you.
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我們做到了這點。謝謝。
16:16
(Applause)
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16:22
Sometimes I sit back,
and I reflect on the paradox
and I reflect on the paradox
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有時，我會坐下來，思考這個矛盾：
16:26
of me just trying to solve the problems,
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我嘗試解決問題，
16:28
us trying to solve the problems
in our own communities --
in our own communities --
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我們嘗試解決
我們自己社區的問題──
我們自己社區的問題──
16:31
we build bridges
to so many other communities,
to so many other communities,
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我們建立橋樑，通往許多其他社區，
16:34
from the LGBTQ community
to the Arab immigrant community
to the Arab immigrant community
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從 LGBTQ（同性雙性跨性非異性戀）
社區，到阿拉伯移民社區，
社區，到阿拉伯移民社區，
16:38
and even sat down with somebody
with a Confederate flag on their hat
with a Confederate flag on their hat
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甚至和戴著有南方邦聯旗幟
帽子的人坐下來，
帽子的人坐下來，
16:41
and talked about the things
that actually matter.
that actually matter.
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談論真正重要的事情。
16:44
It is time that we stop trying
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我們該要停止嘗試
16:46
to hack our way
around the human experience.
around the human experience.
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硬砍出一條路來繞過人類經驗了。
16:49
There is no way out of each other.
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這樣彼此都沒有出路。
16:51
Stop trying to find one.
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別再嘗試找一條出路。
16:54
(Applause)
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16:56
We have to understand something.
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我們得要了解一件事。
17:00
Human beings all want the same things
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人類都想要同樣的東西，
17:02
and we have to go through
each other to get these things.
each other to get these things.
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我們得要透過彼此
才能得到這些東西。
才能得到這些東西。
17:05
These courageous conversations
are the way that these bridges are built.
are the way that these bridges are built.
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這些勇敢的交談就是
建立這些橋樑的方式。
建立這些橋樑的方式。
17:08
It's time that we start
seeing people as people
seeing people as people
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我們該要開始把人當人看待，
17:11
and not simply the ideas
that we project onto them or react to.
that we project onto them or react to.
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而不是我們投射在他們身上的想法，
或是讓我們有所反應的想法。
或是讓我們有所反應的想法。
17:15
Human beings are not the barriers
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人類不是阻礙，
17:18
but the gateways
to the very things that we want.
to the very things that we want.
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而是途徑，通往我們所想要的事物。
17:21
This is a collective
and conscious evolution.
and conscious evolution.
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這是一種有意識的集體進化。
17:24
My journey began with
a terribly popular cell phone video
a terribly popular cell phone video
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我的旅程始於一支
非常熱門的手機影片，
非常熱門的手機影片，
17:29
and a fallen friend.
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和一個倒下的朋友。
17:31
Your journey begins right about now.
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你的旅程始於現在。
17:34
Join the renaissance in human connection.
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加入人類連結的文藝復興。
17:37
It is going to happen with or without you.
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不論有沒有你，它都會發生。
17:40
My suggestion: pick a topic,
and start a community dialogue
and start a community dialogue
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我的建議：選個主題，
在你自己附近的地區，
在你自己附近的地區，
17:44
in your neck of the woods.
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開始進行社區對話。
回到真實生活去和人見面。
17:45
Meet folks back in real life.
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17:47
And I'm going to tell you,
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我要告訴各位，
17:49
when you trick the algorithm
of your existence,
of your existence,
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當你欺騙了關於你的存在的演算法，
17:51
you will get some diversified experiences.
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你會得到一些多樣化的經驗。
該是成長的時候了，各位。
17:54
It is time to grow, people.
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17:56
And when we do this, not if,
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「當」我們這麼做，不是「若」，
17:58
it will be clear
that the key to this upgrade
that the key to this upgrade
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就會很清楚知道，升級的關鍵
18:02
was always our inner world,
not some device that we create,
not some device that we create,
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一直都在我們的內在世界，
而不在我們所創造出的裝置，
而不在我們所創造出的裝置，
18:06
and the doorways
to this experience is now,
to this experience is now,
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而通往這經驗的途徑就是彼此，
18:09
and will forever be, each other.
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現在如此，將來也永遠會是如此。
18:12
Thank you.
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謝謝。
18:14
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Theo E.J. Wilson - Public intellectualTheo E.J. Wilson encourages us to break through the divides that separate us.
Why you should listen
Theo E.J. Wilson is a founding member of the Denver Slam Nuba team, who won the National Poetry Slam in 2011. He's also know as slam poet Lucifury. He began his speaking career in the N.A.A.C.P. at the age of 15, and he has always had a passion for social justice. He attended Florida A&M University, where he obtained his B.A. in theater performance. Upon graduating, he interned as a full-time actor at the St. Louis Black repertory company.
Wilson is the executive director of Shop Talk Live, Inc. The organization uses the barbershop as a staging ground for community dialogue and healing. In 2013, Wilson began speaking with "Rachel's Challenge," an organization dedicated to ending school violence through compassion. After viral video success beginning in 2015, he published his first book in 2017, The Law of Action. The book addresses some of the misconceptions about the law of attraction and the role direct action plays into manifestation.
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