TED2017
Serena Williams and Gayle King: On tennis, love and motherhood
塞琳娜·威廉姆斯和盖尔·金: 关于网球、爱和为人母
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23个大满贯获得者、网球超级明星塞琳娜·威廉姆斯和记者盖尔·金进行了一场温暖而有趣的对话，一起分享了她的生活、爱情、胜利和失败——故事开始于她意外地向世界宣布了自己怀孕的消息。
Serena Williams - Athlete
With her legendary spirit and unstoppable serve, tennis legend Serena Williams has become one of the world’s most enduring athletic superstars. Full bioGayle King - Journalist
Gayle King is a co-host of "CBS This Morning” and Editor-at-Large of the award-winning O, the Oprah Magazine. Full bio
With her legendary spirit and unstoppable serve, tennis legend Serena Williams has become one of the world’s most enduring athletic superstars. Full bioGayle King - Journalist
Gayle King is a co-host of "CBS This Morning” and Editor-at-Large of the award-winning O, the Oprah Magazine. Full bio
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00:13
Gayle King: Have a seat, Serena Williams,
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盖尔·金：请坐，塞琳娜·威廉姆斯，
00:15
or should we say, have a seat, mom.
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或者我该说，请坐，孩子他妈。
00:18
(Cheers)
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（欢呼声）
00:21
So no doubt, you guys are like me.
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毫无疑问，你们跟我一样。
00:23
You saw the release of Serena
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你们都看到了上周赛琳娜的照片，
00:26
in that great yellow
bathing suit last week
bathing suit last week
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她穿着那件好看的黄色泳衣。
00:28
and when I saw it,
all I could think of was,
all I could think of was,
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当我看到那张照片时，我就想，
00:30
"Gosh, why couldn't she have waited
til we sat onstage for TED?"
til we sat onstage for TED?"
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“天啊，她就不能等
来了TED之后再发吗？”
来了TED之后再发吗？”
00:34
I was very selfish, I know.
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我这样很自私，我知道。
00:36
So I asked you about that picture,
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所以我问了你关于这张照片的事，
00:37
and you said nobody was
supposed to see that picture.
supposed to see that picture.
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你说本来应该没有人
能看到这张照片的。
能看到这张照片的。
00:40
What do you mean?
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为什么这么说呢？
00:42
Serena Williams: Well,
actually, it was an accident.
actually, it was an accident.
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SW：这其实是个意外。
00:45
I was on vacation,
just taking some time for myself,
just taking some time for myself,
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我本来在度假，享受属于自己的时间，
00:47
and I have this thing
where I've been checking my status
where I've been checking my status
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我一直在记录自己的变化，
00:52
and taking pictures every week
to see how far along I'm going --
to see how far along I'm going --
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每周拍一些照片，看自己的变化。
00:56
GK: And sharing it with friends, maybe?
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GK：可能还和朋友们分享一下是吗？
SW：不，其实并没有，
我只是自己保存起来。
我只是自己保存起来。
00:58
SW: No, actually
I have just been saving it,
I have just been saving it,
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01:00
and I didn't really tell a lot of people,
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其实我并没有告诉很多人，
01:02
to be quite honest,
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说实话，
01:04
and I'd been saving it,
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我只是存在手机里，
01:05
and you know how social media is,
you press the wrong button and --
you press the wrong button and --
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你也知道这些社交软件，
你按错一个键，然后——
你按错一个键，然后——
01:09
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
01:10
GK: And there it was.
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GK：然后就发出来了。
01:11
SW: So 30 minutes later --
my phone doesn't ring that much --
my phone doesn't ring that much --
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SW：30分种以后——
我的电话平常不怎么响——
我的电话平常不怎么响——
01:14
and 30 minutes later,
I missed like four calls,
I missed like four calls,
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30分钟以后，
我大概错过了4通电话，
我大概错过了4通电话，
我就觉得，有点奇怪啊，
01:16
and I'm like, that's weird,
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01:18
and then I picked it up
and I was like, oh no.
and I was like, oh no.
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然后我拿起手机，哦，天哪……
01:21
But it was a good moment.
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但这一刻是美好的。
01:22
I was gonna wait literally
just five or six more days -- that's OK.
just five or six more days -- that's OK.
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我本来也就准备再等个5、6天
——所以没关系。
——所以没关系。
01:26
GK: I know, because it was weird,
Serena, because it only said 20 weeks,
Serena, because it only said 20 weeks,
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GK：我知道，很奇怪。
赛琳娜，因为上面只写了20周，
赛琳娜，因为上面只写了20周，
01:29
so it's not like there was
a whole lot of information on it.
a whole lot of information on it.
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所以并没有流露出很多信息。
01:32
SW: Exactly, so that's
what I've been doing all this time.
what I've been doing all this time.
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SW：没错，我一直就是这么做的。
01:35
I've been just tracking it.
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仅仅是进行记录而已。
18周，19周——每周
我都会拍张照片然后保存起来，
我都会拍张照片然后保存起来，
01:36
18, 19 -- every week
I'd just take a picture and save it,
I'd just take a picture and save it,
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01:40
and I've been so good about it,
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本来一切都很顺利，
01:41
and this was the one time that I slipped.
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就这一次我手滑了。
01:46
GK: There you go. Well, congratulations.
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GK：就发出来了。好吧，恭喜你。
01:48
SW: Yes, thank you.
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SW：是的，谢谢。
01:50
GK: It really is OK.
When you heard the news,
When you heard the news,
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GK：其实挺好的。
当你得知这个消息时，
当你得知这个消息时，
你是兴奋？害怕？还是有点担心？
01:52
were you excited?
Were you afraid? Were you worried?
Were you afraid? Were you worried?
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我是说对于怀孕这件事。
01:54
That you were pregnant, I mean.
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SW：我是在澳大利亚网球公开赛
开始的2天前得知的，
开始的2天前得知的，
01:56
SW: So I heard it two days before
the beginning of the Australian Open,
the beginning of the Australian Open,
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02:01
which is one of the biggest grand slams.
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澳网是大满贯中最重要的比赛之一。
GK：你在比赛前2天才知道？
02:03
GK: You found out two days before?
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SW：没错，还有2天就要比赛了，
然后我知道了。
然后我知道了。
02:04
SW: Yeah, so it was
two days before, and I knew.
two days before, and I knew.
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02:07
I was nervous.
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我很紧张。
02:10
I wasn't quite sure what to think,
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我不知道该怎么反应，
02:11
but I just knew that at that moment
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但我知道在那一刻，
对我来说真正重要的，是集中精力
02:13
it was really important for me
to just focus right there
to just focus right there
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02:16
at the Australian Open,
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打好澳网公开赛，
02:17
and I was definitely not sure what to do.
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但我完全不知道该怎么做。
02:22
I was like, can I play?
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我当时想，我能打比赛吗？
02:23
I know it's very dangerous, maybe,
sometimes in the first 12 weeks or so,
sometimes in the first 12 weeks or so,
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我知道开始的12周可能会很危险，
02:29
so I had a lot of questions.
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所以我很不放心。
02:30
GK: But not only did you play,
Ms. Williams, you won.
Ms. Williams, you won.
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GK：但你不仅参加了比赛，
威廉姆斯女士，你还夺冠了。
威廉姆斯女士，你还夺冠了。
02:34
(Cheers)
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（掌声）
02:37
SW: Yeah.
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SW：没错。
02:40
May I just say, 23 grand slams to you.
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容我说一句，你拿到了
23个大满贯冠军。
23个大满贯冠军。
SW：谢谢你。
02:44
SW: Thank you.
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02:45
(Applause)
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（掌声）
02:47
GK: While pregnant!
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GK：在你怀孕的时候！
02:48
SW: Well, I was looking
for another handicap, so ... no.
for another handicap, so ... no.
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SW：嗯，我这是故意增加难度。
02:51
GK: Did you play differently that game,
knowing you were pregnant?
knowing you were pregnant?
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GK：知道自己怀孕了，
你比赛会打得有什么不一样吗？
你比赛会打得有什么不一样吗？
02:54
SW: I did. It wasn't very easy.
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SW：是的。这并不容易。
02:57
You hear all these stories
about people when they're pregnant,
about people when they're pregnant,
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你听过大家说怀孕后的感觉，
03:00
they get sick and they get tired.
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会觉得恶心，感到疲惫。
03:01
GK: Have you had morning sickness?
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GK：你早上会觉得恶心想吐吗？
03:03
SW: No, I've been so fortunate
and so I haven't.
and so I haven't.
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SW：我运气不错，早上没有想吐过。
03:06
But they get really tired
and they get really stressed out,
and they get really stressed out,
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但很多人说自己很累，压力很大，
03:09
and I had to really take all that energy,
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我不得不接受这些负能量，
03:12
put it in a paper bag, so to say,
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放进一个纸袋里，打个比方，
03:14
and throw it away,
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然后扔掉。
03:15
because I really felt
like I didn't have time
like I didn't have time
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因为我没有时间
来处理额外的情绪，或者任何事情，
03:17
to deal with any extra emotions,
any extra anything,
any extra anything,
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03:20
because pregnant or not, no one knew,
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因为怀孕与否，没有人知道，
03:23
and I was supposed to win that tournament
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而我应该赢下那场锦标赛，
我去参赛就是为了赢的。
03:25
as I am every tournament that I show up.
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03:27
I am expected to win,
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大家也对我寄予厚望，
03:28
and if I don't win,
it's actually much bigger news.
it's actually much bigger news.
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如果我输了，反倒是更大的新闻。
03:30
GK: Yeah, when you don't win,
that's a big story.
that's a big story.
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GK：没错，如果你输了，
确实是个大新闻。
确实是个大新闻。
03:33
SW: Yes, so for me,
I had to really take anything negative
I had to really take anything negative
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SW：是的，所以对我来说，
我不得不把所有的负能量，
我不得不把所有的负能量，
03:36
and any emotions
that I was feeling at that point
that I was feeling at that point
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和在那一刻我所有的情绪，
03:39
and kind of just bottle them up
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都封存起来，
03:41
and really figure out
what the next step for me to do was.
what the next step for me to do was.
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然后好好想清楚下一步要怎么做。
03:44
GK: You have a lot of support.
You have a lot of love.
You have a lot of love.
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GK：你有很多的支持者，大家都爱你。
03:47
Even when I was coming here,
people stopped me at the airport.
people stopped me at the airport.
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我来这儿的时候，
人们还在机场堵住我。
人们还在机场堵住我。
03:50
I was saying to the flight attendant,
the pilot, "Guess where I'm going?"
the pilot, "Guess where I'm going?"
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我跟空乘人员还有飞行员说：
“你们猜我要去哪儿？”
“你们猜我要去哪儿？”
他们说：“天哪，我们
真高兴她怀孕了。”
真高兴她怀孕了。”
03:53
They said, "Oh my God,
we're so glad she's pregnant."
we're so glad she's pregnant."
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但是你总会有很多疯狂的球迷们，
03:56
But then you always have
these cranky Yankees.
these cranky Yankees.
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在路上有人跟我说起
伊利耶·纳斯塔塞，
伊利耶·纳斯塔塞，
03:58
On the way over here, somebody
was telling me about Ilie Nastase,
was telling me about Ilie Nastase,
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他说了一些很不友好的，不合适的，
甚至带有种族歧视的话，
甚至带有种族歧视的话，
04:01
who said some very unkind, inappropriate,
dare I say racial things.
dare I say racial things.
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你还回应了他。
04:04
You have responded to him.
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我根本不屑理会他，
04:05
I'm not even going
to dignify what he said,
to dignify what he said,
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但是你回应了。为什么呢？
04:08
but you responded. Why did you respond?
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04:09
SW: Well, I think there are
very inappropriate comments,
very inappropriate comments,
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SW：我认为有一些很不合适的言论，
不仅如此，我一直很支持我的同胞
04:12
and not only that, I've been
really supportive of my peers
really supportive of my peers
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04:15
and the people that I've worked with.
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和那些与我共事的人。
04:17
I've been a pro for almost 20 years,
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我成为职业运动员已经快20年了，
04:18
and so for me, it's really important
to hold women up,
to hold women up,
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对我来说，支持女性非常重要。
04:21
and it's something that these young women,
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当一些年轻的女孩
来到更衣室想和我合影，
04:23
they'll come to the locker room,
they'll want to take pictures with me,
they'll want to take pictures with me,
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对我来说，
04:26
and for me, it's just like,
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我想成为一个优秀的领导者，
给他们树立一个好榜样。
给他们树立一个好榜样。
04:28
I want to be able to be a good leader
and a good example for them.
and a good example for them.
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所以不仅……
04:31
So not only --
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04:32
(Applause)
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（掌声）
04:33
Not only did he have rude things
to say about me and my peers,
to say about me and my peers,
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他不仅对我和我的同胞
说了无礼的话，
说了无礼的话，
04:38
I felt it was important
for us to stand up for each other
for us to stand up for each other
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我觉得我们应该为了彼此，
04:40
and to stand up for myself.
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为了自己勇敢站出来。
04:42
And at that point it was
really important for me to say,
really important for me to say,
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这时候我站出来说话很重要，
04:44
like, I'm not afraid,
I'm not going anywhere,
I'm not going anywhere,
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我并不害怕，我不会离开
但是你这样说不合适，
04:47
but this is inappropriate,
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04:50
and there's time and there's
a place for everything.
a place for everything.
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任何事都要讲究时间和场合。
04:52
And that really
wasn't the time and the place.
wasn't the time and the place.
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那些话真是不合时宜。
GK：刚刚你说你不会离开，
04:55
GK: We cut the part where you said
you're not going anywhere,
you're not going anywhere,
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因为你今年9月就要36岁了。
36岁，刚生完孩子。
36岁，刚生完孩子。
04:58
because you'll be 36 in September.
Baby's coming, 36.
Baby's coming, 36.
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05:00
And your coach said
age is always important,
age is always important,
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你的教练说年龄永远都很重要，
05:02
but in tennis it's very important,
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对于网球来说格外重要，
05:04
but he has no doubt
that you're coming back.
that you're coming back.
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可是他完全确信你会回来。
05:06
Have you thought, am I coming back?
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你有想过，自己会不会回到球场？
05:08
Will I take some time off?
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我要不要休息一下？
05:10
I know the women on the tour are saying,
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我知道公开赛的女选手们在说，
“怀孕生孩子要多久？
她会离开2年时间吗？”
她会离开2年时间吗？”
05:12
"How long does it take to have a baby?
Two years will she be gone?"
Two years will she be gone?"
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05:15
What are you thinking?
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你是怎么想的呢？
05:16
SW: Well, I'm always trying
to defy the odds, you know,
to defy the odds, you know,
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SW：我一直都在努力战胜困境，
对我而言，一切都取决于信念。
05:19
so for me everything is really mental.
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05:21
I definitely plan on coming back.
I'm not done yet.
I'm not done yet.
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我肯定准备回归，
我还不想退役。
我还不想退役。
05:24
I'm really inspired by my sister.
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我的姐姐鼓舞着我。
05:26
She's a year older than me,
and that's something that --
and that's something that --
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她比我还大一岁，所以说，
只要她还在打球，那我也能打。
05:28
if she's still playing, I know I can play.
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05:30
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
05:32
And there's so many -- Roger Federer,
he's a little bit older than me
he's a little bit older than me
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还有那么多运动员，罗杰·费德勒，
他也比我大一点，
他也比我大一点，
05:35
and he's still winning everything,
so I'm like, I know I can do that too.
so I'm like, I know I can do that too.
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他还在不停拿冠军，
我觉得我也可以做到。
我觉得我也可以做到。
05:39
So that's been so inspiring to me,
especially recently,
especially recently,
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这一切都鼓舞着我，
尤其是最近一段时间，
尤其是最近一段时间，
05:43
and I know that
it's something I want to do.
it's something I want to do.
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我知道这是我想做的事。
05:45
And my story is definitely not over yet.
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我的故事还远远没有结束。
我和我的教练聊起过这件事，
05:48
I was talking to my coach about it,
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05:50
and we were talking about
how this is just a new part of my life,
how this is just a new part of my life,
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这是我生活里新的一部分，
05:54
and my baby's going to be in the stands
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我的孩子会在观众席上，
05:56
and hopefully cheering for me,
not crying too much.
not crying too much.
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但愿他会为我加油，
而不是一直在哭。
而不是一直在哭。
05:59
GK: No, you wrote a beautiful
letter to your baby yesterday
letter to your baby yesterday
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GK：你昨天还给你的孩子
写了一封非常优美的信，
写了一封非常优美的信，
06:02
that you said -- from the oldest mommy
to the youngest one,
to the youngest one,
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你说——从最年老的母亲，
到最年轻的母亲，
到最年轻的母亲，
06:04
to the oldest, to the youngest,
I can't wait for you to get here.
I can't wait for you to get here.
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最年老的，最年轻的，
我等不及要见到你的降临。
我等不及要见到你的降临。
06:08
A lot of people feel that.
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很多人都有同样的感受。
06:09
I saw you about a year ago,
because I think about your life, Serena.
because I think about your life, Serena.
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我一年前见到你，
塞琳娜，我在思考你的人生。
塞琳娜，我在思考你的人生。
06:12
You've had three life-changing things
in a six-month time:
in a six-month time:
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你在6个月之内经历了
3次足以改变人生的事情：
3次足以改变人生的事情：
06:16
pregnant, huge win, fell in love.
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怀孕，捧杯，还收获了爱情。
06:19
And when I saw you last year,
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我去年见到你的时候，
06:21
I was saying, "How's
your love life? Da da da."
your love life? Da da da."
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我问你，“你的爱情生活怎么样？”
06:23
You said, "I met a guy.
He's a nerdy, kinda geeky guy.
He's a nerdy, kinda geeky guy.
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你说：“我遇见了一个人，
有点宅，像个书呆子，
有点宅，像个书呆子，
06:26
You won't know who he is."
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你不认识他。”
06:28
I said, "What's his name?"
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我问：“他叫什么名字？”
06:29
SW: I remember talking
to you about that, yes.
to you about that, yes.
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SW：我记得和你的这段对话，是的。
06:31
GK: And you said, "Alexis Ohanian."
I said, "I know him!" He's awesome.
I said, "I know him!" He's awesome.
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GK：然后你说：“亚历克西斯·瓦尼安。”
我说：“我认识他！他棒极了。
我说：“我认识他！他棒极了。
06:35
But I would never put you
with a nerdy geek,
with a nerdy geek,
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但我从未想过
你会跟一个宅男在一起，
你会跟一个宅男在一起，
06:37
and you said, you neither.
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然后你说，你也没想到。
06:39
SW: I'm going to be honest
with you, I didn't either,
with you, I didn't either,
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SW：说实话，我确实没有想到，
06:41
but it's been the best thing for me.
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但这是我遇到的最美好的事。
06:43
GK: The best thing why?
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GK：为什么这么说？
06:45
Does that look like a nerdy geek?
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他看起来不像个宅男吗？
06:46
Look at the shirt.
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看他穿的衬衫。
06:48
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:49
No, he's a very nice guy.
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不，他是个很好的人。
06:50
SW: You can tell he's into technology.
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SW：你能看出来他很热爱科技。
GK：他是个非常非常好的人。
06:52
GK: He's a very, very nice guy.
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06:54
I like him very much.
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我很喜欢他。
06:55
So how did he succeed
when others have failed?
when others have failed?
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他是怎么打动你的？
06:58
How was he the one that you knew,
this is the one for me?
this is the one for me?
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你是怎么确定，他就是那个对的人？
07:01
SW: Well, I'm not going to say that,
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SW：好吧，我可没这么说，
07:04
but ...
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但是……
07:05
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
07:06
GK: Say it, Serena, say it!
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GK：说吧，塞琳娜，告诉我们！
07:08
SW: Well ...
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SW：这个……
07:09
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
07:12
Yes.
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他就是。
07:14
(Applause)
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（掌声）
07:17
GK: But you know what I mean.
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GK：你知道我的意思。
07:18
SW: He is very loving and he's very kind,
and my mom says he's very considerate,
and my mom says he's very considerate,
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SW：他充满爱心，非常善良，
而且我妈妈觉得他很体贴，
而且我妈妈觉得他很体贴，
07:22
and when she said that to me,
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当她跟我说这话的时候，
07:23
I was like, you know, he really is,
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我心想，没错，他就是这样的人。
07:25
and it's the little things that really
make a huge difference in life.
make a huge difference in life.
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从一些小事就能看出来，
让我们的生活变得很不一样。
让我们的生活变得很不一样。
07:29
GK: Like?
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GK：比如呢？
07:30
SW: Something simple.
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SW：很简单的事情。
07:31
My fashion company,
we have a show every year,
we have a show every year,
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我的时装公司，
每年都会办一场秀，
每年都会办一场秀，
07:34
so in our show last year,
I was running around like crazy,
I was running around like crazy,
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去年办这场秀的时候，
我忙疯了，到处跑，
我忙疯了，到处跑，
07:37
because I do everything for the show,
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因为所有的一切都是我操办的，
07:39
and everything for it,
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我倾尽全力，
07:40
so I was running around like crazy,
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上蹿下跳，
07:42
and he, it was a simple gesture
of this shirt that he had,
of this shirt that he had,
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然后他，就是拿着他的衬衫，
做了一个很简单的动作，
做了一个很简单的动作，
07:46
and he just wanted to make sure
that I had the same one,
that I had the same one,
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他就是希望我也有一件一模一样的，
07:49
and it was -- it's a weird story.
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就是……这故事有点怪。
07:52
It was better in person, I promise.
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如果你当时在场会更美好，真的。
07:54
GK: Was it a wonderful proposal?
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GK：求婚很美好吗？
07:56
Or was it a Beyoncé song?
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还是像碧昂斯的歌？
07:58
"If you like it then you
ought to put a ring on it"?
ought to put a ring on it"?
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“你喜欢她就要给她戴上戒指”？
08:00
Were you feeling pressure to get married?
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你当时有感受到结婚的压力吗？
你事先有预感会发生什么吗？
08:02
Did you know it was coming?
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08:04
SW: Yeah, I actually
never felt pressure to get married
never felt pressure to get married
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SW：我其实从来没有过结婚的压力，
08:06
and I can't say
I'm the marrying type of person.
I'm the marrying type of person.
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而且我不是那种结婚成家的人。
08:09
I really love my life.
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我很热爱我的生活，
08:11
I love my freedom.
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热爱我的自由。
08:12
I heard that kind of changes.
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我听说婚姻会改变这一切。
08:14
But I love everything that I do,
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但我热爱我做的事情。
08:18
and I love my career,
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我热爱我的事业。
08:20
and I always felt like I didn't want
anything to interfere with that.
anything to interfere with that.
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我不希望任何事情来干扰这一切。
08:24
I've actually been so career-oriented
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我一直都是以事业为重的。
08:25
and in fact, when he proposed,
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事实上，当他求婚的时候，
08:28
I was almost angry.
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我差点生气了。
08:29
Not almost. I was angry,
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不是差点，我就是生气了，
08:31
because it was right
in the middle of my training season,
in the middle of my training season,
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因为那时候我正处在训练期，
08:33
and I said, "I gotta win
the Australian Open.
the Australian Open.
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我说：‘“我要赢下澳网公开赛。
08:36
I can't fly to Rome."
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我不能去罗马。”
08:37
Because he wanted to take me to Rome,
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因为他想带我去罗马，
08:39
and I said, "I can't. I gotta win."
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我说：“不行，我要打比赛。”
08:41
But that's how focused I was.
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我当时就是这么目标明确。
08:42
GK: This is a girl that says,
"No, I can't go to Rome." OK.
"No, I can't go to Rome." OK.
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GK：这姑娘居然说
“不，我不能去罗马”。
“不，我不能去罗马”。
08:45
SW: But I was really focused
on reaching my goals
on reaching my goals
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SW：我当时真的非常
专注于自己的目标，
专注于自己的目标，
08:48
and I knew at that point there was
one player that I wanted to pass.
one player that I wanted to pass.
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当时我非常想超越一名选手。
08:51
I wanted to pass Steffi Graf's record,
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我想打破施特菲·格拉芙的记录，
08:53
and that really meant a lot to me,
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这对我来说意义非凡。
08:55
and when I put my mind to something,
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当我对某件事投入精力的时候，
08:57
I really am determined to reach it
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我就会竭尽全力达到目标，
08:59
no matter what.
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无论如何都要达到。
09:00
GK: You know, you said that for you --
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GK：我记得你曾经说过，
09:02
I've heard you say
that winning is addictive to you.
that winning is addictive to you.
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获胜让你上瘾。
09:05
SW: It is.
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SW：没错。
GK：为什么这么说呢？
09:06
GK: What do you mean?
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09:07
SW: I feel like winning for me
is superaddictive.
is superaddictive.
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SW：赢得比赛的感觉很让我上瘾。
09:10
I feel like once you experience it,
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只要你赢过一次，
09:13
you always want to get that feeling again,
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你就再也无法摆脱
想再赢一次的想法，
想再赢一次的想法，
09:15
and when I won my first championship,
I was only 17 years old,
I was only 17 years old,
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我第一次获得冠军的时候只有17岁，
09:18
but I never forgot that feeling,
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但是我永远忘不了那种感觉，
09:20
and I feel like every time I win one,
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每次我赢得比赛的时候，
09:23
I want to reach that feeling
of your first championship.
of your first championship.
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我都想重温第一次赢得冠军的感觉。
09:25
There's really no feeling
in the world like that.
in the world like that.
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世上没有任何一种感受能与之相比。
09:28
And it's like, all these years of training
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你训练了那么多年，
09:31
and being a little kid and playing,
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从很小就开始打网球，
09:33
and then winning
is a wonderful experience.
is a wonderful experience.
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最后终于获胜，那感觉棒极了。
09:36
So for me I've always felt
like I loved that feeling,
like I loved that feeling,
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所以我一直都热爱这种感觉，
09:41
and obviously I don't like
the feeling of losing. I feel like --
the feeling of losing. I feel like --
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显然我不喜欢输。我觉得……
09:44
GK: No, in fact, people close to you
say you're a very bad loser.
say you're a very bad loser.
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GK：不仅如此，你身边的人
都说你是个输不起的人。
都说你是个输不起的人。
09:47
SW: I'm not the best loser.
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SW：我是有点输不起。
09:49
GK: That you're very, very, very bad.
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GK：不，他们说你非常非常输不起。
09:51
Listen, no athlete,
no champion likes to lose.
no champion likes to lose.
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我明白，没有运动员，
或者冠军会喜欢输。
或者冠军会喜欢输。
09:53
I get that.
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这个我懂。
09:54
But they say when it comes to losing,
you are very, very, very bad at it.
you are very, very, very bad at it.
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但是他们说你输球的时候，
你会非常，非常，非常的输不起。
你会非常，非常，非常的输不起。
09:58
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
10:00
SW: I'm number one at losing too,
so you know, that's all I can say.
so you know, that's all I can say.
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SW：好吧，我输球也是第一，
我只能这么说。
我只能这么说。
10:03
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
10:05
(Applause)
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（掌声）
10:07
GK: I'm always curious about the dynamic
between you and Venus,
between you and Venus,
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GK：我一直都很好奇
你和维纳斯之间的关系，
你和维纳斯之间的关系，
10:10
because everybody that knows you
and has followed the story
and has followed the story
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因为所有认识你的人，关注你的人，
10:13
knows that you two are very close,
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都知道你们的关系非常亲密，
你无论做什么
都竭尽全力做到100分，
都竭尽全力做到100分，
10:15
and you always bring your A game
in whatever you do,
in whatever you do,
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但我经常想，
当你和她对阵的时候，
当你和她对阵的时候，
10:17
but I often wonder,
when you're playing her,
when you're playing her,
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你会只做到80分，让着她，
10:19
do you bring your A- game
because you want to do something for her
because you want to do something for her
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10:23
or do you bring your A++ game
because you want to crush her.
because you want to crush her.
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还是会做到120分，彻底击垮她？
10:26
Is it harder for you
playing her or easier?
playing her or easier?
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和她比赛对你来说
是更难还是更容易了？
是更难还是更容易了？
10:29
SW: Well, playing Venus
is like playing myself,
is like playing myself,
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SW：和维纳斯打球
就像在和我自己打球，
就像在和我自己打球，
因为我们是一起打着球长大的，
从小就一起练习。
从小就一起练习。
10:31
because we grew up playing each other,
we grew up practicing together.
we grew up practicing together.
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10:34
And it was something
that has been difficult,
that has been difficult,
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和她打球一直都很难，
10:37
because she's my toughest opponent.
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因为她是我最强的对手。
10:39
She's tall, she's fast,
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她个子高，速度快，
10:40
she hits hard like me, she serves like me.
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她像我一样大力击球，
像我一样发球。
像我一样发球。
10:44
It's really like playing a wall.
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感觉就像在对着墙打球。
10:45
GK: She knows you.
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GW：她了解你。
10:46
SW: She knows where I'm hitting
the ball before I hit it,
the ball before I hit it,
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SW：在我打到球之前
她就知道我会往哪儿打，
她就知道我会往哪儿打，
10:49
so it's something that is not very easy,
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所以跟她打球很不容易，
10:52
but it's really about,
when I go out there,
when I go out there,
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因此当我走上球场的时候，
10:54
I really have to shut down my mind
and I have to say to myself,
and I have to say to myself,
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我必须排除杂念，对自己说，
10:57
"You know what?
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“你知道吗？
10:59
I'm just playing a great player,
but today I have to be better.
but today I have to be better.
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我面对的是一位伟大的球员，
但我今天要做得更好。
但我今天要做得更好。
11:02
I don't care who it is,
if it's my sister or it's my friend,
if it's my sister or it's my friend,
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我不管对手是谁，
是我姐姐还是我的朋友，
是我姐姐还是我的朋友，
11:06
today is the day I have to show up
and I have to be better
and I have to be better
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今天是我表现的日子，
我必须做到更好，
我必须做到更好，
11:09
and I have to want it more
than anyone else at this moment
than anyone else at this moment
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这一刻我必须比任何人
11:13
anywhere on this world."
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都更渴望胜利。”
11:14
GK: So never on the court
do you fall back for Venus?
do you fall back for Venus?
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GK：所以你从没有在球场上
为了维纳斯退缩过？
为了维纳斯退缩过？
11:18
Because, you know,
it was always Venus and Serena.
it was always Venus and Serena.
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因为你知道，本来
维纳斯和塞琳娜差不多。
维纳斯和塞琳娜差不多。
11:22
SW: Yes.
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SW：是的。
GK：现在妹妹超过了姐姐，
11:24
GK: And now baby sister
has surpassed older sister.
has surpassed older sister.
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11:26
Do you feel guilt about that?
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你会觉得愧疚吗？
11:28
Do you feel joy in that?
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还是觉得很开心?
11:29
Is that a difficult position for you?
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会不会让你陷入困境？
11:31
SW: I don't feel anything in there.
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SW：我没有任何这种感觉。
11:33
In my life, it still and forever
is always going to be Venus and Serena.
is always going to be Venus and Serena.
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在我的生命中，
维纳斯和塞琳娜永远是一体的。
维纳斯和塞琳娜永远是一体的。
11:37
She's really love of my life,
she's my best friend,
she's my best friend,
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她是我的挚爱，最好的朋友，
11:40
she's my soul mate.
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我的灵魂伴侣。
11:41
I mean --
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我的意思是——
11:43
There's pictures of her pushing me,
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有一些照片，她用小推车推着我，
11:45
really low-quality pictures
or else I would have shared them,
or else I would have shared them,
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拍得很模糊，否则我早就发到网上了，
11:48
of her pushing me
in a stroller on a tennis court,
in a stroller on a tennis court,
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她在网球场上用小推车推着我，
11:50
and she always took care of me.
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她一直都照顾着我。
11:52
I used to spend all of my allowance
money on the ice cream truck and stuff,
money on the ice cream truck and stuff,
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我以前把零花钱全都花在
冰激凌和其他零食上，
冰激凌和其他零食上，
11:55
and she would take her money
and give it to me at school
and give it to me at school
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她就会在学校里把她的钱给我，
12:00
and make sure I had something to eat
and she would go without,
and she would go without,
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确保我有东西吃，而她自己却没有，
12:02
and that's the kind of person
she actually is
she actually is
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她就是这样的人，
12:05
since I've always known her.
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从我认识她那天起。
12:07
So we always have this incredible
respect for each other
respect for each other
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所以我们对彼此都非常尊重，
12:11
and this incredible love,
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也非常地爱对方。
12:12
and I think it's important for people
to realize you can be successful
to realize you can be successful
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我觉得对一个人来说，
相信自己会成功，
相信自己会成功，
12:15
but you can still have
a wonderful relationship.
a wonderful relationship.
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同时还能保持良好的关系非常重要。
12:17
On the court we are mortal enemies,
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在球场上我们是宿敌，
但是在我们握手的一刹那，
我们又是最好的朋友了。
我们又是最好的朋友了。
12:19
but the second we shake hands,
we are best friends again.
we are best friends again.
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12:23
And if I lose, it might be
a day later for me,
a day later for me,
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如果我输了，当然
这肯定是很久以后的事，
这肯定是很久以后的事，
12:28
but for Venus --
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但是对维纳斯——
12:29
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
12:32
GK: There's never a time on the court
where you hit the ball
where you hit the ball
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GK：赛场上就没有一次，
你击球的时候想，
你击球的时候想，
12:35
and say, "That's for seventh grade
when you did the blah blah blah"?
when you did the blah blah blah"?
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“这是报复你七年级
的时候做的什么什么事？”
的时候做的什么什么事？”
12:38
You never have any moment like that?
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你有没有这么想过？
12:40
SW: I feel like she should have
those moments,
those moments,
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SW：我觉得她可能这么想过，
因为她从来没对我做过什么坏事，
12:42
because she's never done
anything bad to me,
anything bad to me,
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但我年纪最小，我是妹妹。
12:44
but I'm the youngest.
I'm the younger sister.
I'm the younger sister.
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12:47
GK: Serena, she's never done
anything bad to you? Really?
anything bad to you? Really?
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GK：塞琳娜从来没欺负过你？真的？
12:49
I have three sisters.
I can think of some stuff I've done bad.
I can think of some stuff I've done bad.
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我有三个妹妹，
我可没少欺负过她们。
我可没少欺负过她们。
12:53
SW: Unless she brainwashed me
to forget them.
to forget them.
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SW：除非她给我洗脑让我忘记了。
12:56
GK: No, but the love you have for her
I know is very pure. I know that.
I know is very pure. I know that.
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GK：不，但是你对她的爱
非常的纯粹，我知道。
非常的纯粹，我知道。
12:59
SW: Yes. GK: I know that.
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SW：是的。
GK：我知道。
GK：我知道。
13:00
SW: We were always brought up
to be superclose,
to be superclose,
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SW：我们一起长大，
13:03
and we are incredibly close.
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我们非常亲密。
13:04
Not only her.
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不仅是她，
13:05
I have three other sisters as well,
and we were always so close.
and we were always so close.
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我还有其他三个姐妹，
我们一直都很亲近。
我们一直都很亲近。
13:11
GK: So before a big match,
the two of you don't get together
the two of you don't get together
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GK：那在一场重要比赛之前，
你们两个人会不会，
你们两个人会不会，
13:13
and say, look, we're going
to go out there and -- there's nothing?
to go out there and -- there's nothing?
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比如一起走进球场，不会那样吗？
SW：好吧，有件事很有趣。
在澳网比赛开始前，
在澳网比赛开始前，
13:17
SW: Well, it's funny.
Before the Australian Open,
Before the Australian Open,
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我们一起在更衣室里，
13:19
we were in the locker room together,
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我总是逗她，在她换衣服
的时候拿出了相机。
的时候拿出了相机。
13:21
and I always pick on her, so I pulled out
my camera while she was changing.
my camera while she was changing.
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开始给她拍照，
这事儿很不对，
这事儿很不对，
13:24
I started taking pictures of her,
which is totally inappropriate,
which is totally inappropriate,
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然后她就很生我的气，
13:28
but she was so mad at me.
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13:29
She's like, "Serena, stop!"
And I was just laughing at her.
And I was just laughing at her.
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她说：“塞琳娜，停下！”
但我一直在笑她。
但我一直在笑她。
13:32
But that's the kind of relationship
that we have, and like I said,
that we have, and like I said,
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但这就是我们的关系，像我刚刚说的，
13:36
the second we step on the court,
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在走上赛场的那一秒，
13:37
it was like, we were
definitely mortal enemies,
definitely mortal enemies,
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我们就成为彼此的宿敌，
13:42
but the second we stepped off,
and moments before, we're just --
and moments before, we're just --
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但当我们走下赛场的那一秒，
我们就恢复了老样子，
我们就恢复了老样子，
13:46
It is what it is,
because at the end of the day,
because at the end of the day,
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因为无论如何，
13:48
she'll always be my sister.
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她永远都是我姐姐。
13:49
I'm not going to play Australia in --
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也许再过几年我就不打澳网了，
13:51
Well, who knows,
I've been playing forever,
I've been playing forever,
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谁知道呢，我好像一直在打比赛，
13:53
but I don't think
I'll be playing in 50 years, say?
I'll be playing in 50 years, say?
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但50年后，我总不可能还在打吧？
13:56
Let's be safe and say 50 years.
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保险起见，就说50年吧。
13:57
GK: I don't know, Serena.
There's never been anybody like you.
There's never been anybody like you.
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GK：我不知道，塞琳娜，
从来没有人和你一样。
从来没有人和你一样。
14:00
When you think about it,
never been anybody
never been anybody
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你想想，从来没有任何人，
14:02
who has intersected
gender and race the way you have,
gender and race the way you have,
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像你一样超越了种族和性别，
14:05
the dominance that you have
and the scrutiny that you have.
and the scrutiny that you have.
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你的统治地位，还有你的被关注度，
14:08
And when you were growing up,
did you say, "I want to be like that"?
did you say, "I want to be like that"?
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在你成长过程中，
你想过“我要变成这样”吗？
你想过“我要变成这样”吗？
14:11
Because now little girls
are looking at you
are looking at you
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因为现在的小女孩们看着你，
都在说“我想像她一样”。
14:13
saying, "I want to be like that."
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对你来说，谁是那个
“我想像他一样”的人？
“我想像他一样”的人？
14:15
Who was the "I want
to be like that" for you?
to be like that" for you?
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SW：恩，很有趣，
我很高兴你提起了这个。
我很高兴你提起了这个。
14:17
SW: Well, it's interesting,
and I'm glad you brought that up.
and I'm glad you brought that up.
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对我来说，在我成长的过程中，
我一直都想做最好的，
我一直都想做最好的，
14:20
For me, when I grew up,
I always wanted to be the best,
I always wanted to be the best,
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我觉得，如果你想做最好的，
你得向最好的人学习。
你得向最好的人学习。
14:23
and I said, if you want to be the best,
you've got to emulate the best.
you've got to emulate the best.
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所以当我很年轻的时候
就参加巡回赛，
就参加巡回赛，
14:26
So when I started to go on tour
when I was really young,
when I was really young,
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14:29
I would see Steffi Graf,
I would see Monica Seles,
I would see Monica Seles,
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我见到施特菲·格拉芙，
我见到莫妮卡·塞莱斯，
我见到莫妮卡·塞莱斯，
14:31
and I would even see Pete Sampras,
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我甚至见到皮特·桑普拉斯，
14:33
and I would see what they did,
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我会看他们是怎么做的，
14:35
and I noticed that Steffi and Monica
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然后我注意到施特菲和莫妮卡
14:37
didn't really talk
to a lot of the other players,
to a lot of the other players,
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不会过多地谈论其他球员，
14:39
and they kind of were on their own,
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她们只专注于自己，
14:41
and they were just so focused
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心无旁骛。
14:43
and I would see Pete Sampras,
the technique that he did,
the technique that he did,
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我看到了皮特·桑普拉斯的技术，
14:46
and I was like, "I want to do that."
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我就想，“我也想做到这样。”
14:48
So I did that, and I felt
that to be the best,
that to be the best,
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然后我就去做了，我感觉要做到最好，
14:52
and if you want to be the best,
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想成为最好的那个人，
14:53
you have to hang around people
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你就必须靠近最好的人，
14:55
and you have to look at people
that are the best,
that are the best,
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观察他们，学习他们，
14:57
because you're not going to be the best
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因为如果你不向最好的学，
你也很难成为最好的。
14:59
if you're looking at someone
that's not at the top level.
that's not at the top level.
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GK：人们说没有人像你一样努力。
15:02
GK: People say
nobody works as hard as you.
nobody works as hard as you.
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SW：我是非常努力的人。
GK：我是这么听说的。
GK：我是这么听说的。
15:04
SW: I'm a very hard worker.
GK: That's what I heard.
GK: That's what I heard.
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SW：人们说，“她很有天赋，
很适合做运动员。”
很适合做运动员。”
15:06
SW: People say, "Oh,
she's talented, she's athletic."
she's talented, she's athletic."
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其实我天赋并不好。
我和同龄人比很矮小。
我和同龄人比很矮小。
15:09
Actually, I wasn't.
I was really small for my age.
I was really small for my age.
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我年纪大一点了才开始长高，
15:11
I grew up when I got older,
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我必须非常努力。
15:13
and I had to work really hard,
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15:14
and I think one of the reasons
why I fight so hard and I work so hard
why I fight so hard and I work so hard
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我觉得我这么努力拼搏的原因之一
15:17
is because I was
really, really, really small.
really, really, really small.
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是我真的，真的，真的很矮小。
15:20
GK: Yeah.
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GK：没错。
15:21
You are no longer small.
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但是你现在一点也不矮小了。
15:23
SW: No, I'm fully grown now.
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SW：对，我已经长大了，
15:26
But I was small when I was really young
for whatever reason.
for whatever reason.
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但不知道为什么，
我小时候就是小个子。
我小时候就是小个子。
15:29
I think Venus maybe ate all the Wheaties.
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我觉得可能是因为
麦片都让维纳斯吃掉了。
麦片都让维纳斯吃掉了。
15:32
GK: You know, the other thing
people talk about is your body.
people talk about is your body.
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GK：你知道吗，人们经常讨论的
另一件事就是你的身体。
另一件事就是你的身体。
15:35
Your body brings men
and women to their knees.
and women to their knees.
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你的身体让男人和女人都为之倾倒。
15:38
And I mean in a good way.
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我的意思是这是件好事。
15:40
A lot has been made about your body.
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对你身体的评价有很多，
15:42
It's a work of art,
it's masculine, it's glorious,
it's masculine, it's glorious,
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像一件艺术品，
肌肉发达，美妙绝伦，
肌肉发达，美妙绝伦，
15:48
there's never been anything like it.
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从没有人像你一样。
15:50
Did you have body issues
when you were growing up?
when you were growing up?
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你成长过程中有过什么身材问题吗？
15:52
Have you always been
comfortable with your body?
comfortable with your body?
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你一直都很满意自己的身材吗？
15:55
SW: It's interesting, because
when you're a teenage female
when you're a teenage female
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SW：这件事很有趣，
当你是个小女孩的时候，
当你是个小女孩的时候，
15:57
growing up in the public eye,
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在关注中长大，
15:59
it is a lot of scrutiny that you face,
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你会面对很多关注。
16:01
and as any female that's a teenager,
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像其他少女一样，
16:03
I definitely was not
comfortable in my body.
comfortable in my body.
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我肯定是不满意自己身材的。
16:06
I didn't like it.
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我不喜欢。
16:07
I didn't understand why I had muscles.
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我不明白我为什么有肌肉。
16:10
And I stopped lifting weights.
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然后我就不再做力量练习。
16:11
I was like, I'm not going to do this.
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我不想练了。
但是后来我赢了美国公开赛。
16:13
But then after I won the US Open,
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我意识到，是我的身体
帮助我达到了我的目标，
帮助我达到了我的目标，
16:15
I realized that my body helped me
reach goals that I wanted to reach,
reach goals that I wanted to reach,
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16:18
and I wanted to be happy with it,
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我为之开心，
16:20
and I was so appreciative of it.
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也很感激我的身体。
16:22
I'm always healthy.
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我一直都很健康。
16:23
I'm really fortunate and superblessed,
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我非常幸运，非常有福气，
16:25
and I felt like not only
am I happy with my body,
am I happy with my body,
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我不止对我的身材很满意，
我还希望其他人，其他年轻女孩子，
16:28
but I want other people
and other young girls
and other young girls
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16:30
that have experienced
what I've experienced
what I've experienced
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那些和我有过同样经历的人，
16:33
to be happy with themselves.
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也能为自己的身体感到高兴。
16:34
So whatever people say --
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所以不要管别人说什么，
肌肉发达或是别的，太壮，太瘦，
16:36
masculine, whatever,
too much, too little --
too much, too little --
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16:38
I'm OK with it as long as I love myself.
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都无所谓，只要自己爱自己就够了。
16:42
(Applause)
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（掌声）
16:46
GK: I know you learn a lot from winning,
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GK：我知道你从获胜中学到了很多，
16:48
but what have you learned from losing?
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但是你从失败中学到了什么？
16:51
SW: I hate to lose, but I think
losing has brought me here today.
losing has brought me here today.
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SW：我很讨厌失败，但是我觉得
是失败让我今天站在这里。
是失败让我今天站在这里。
16:54
The only reason I am who I am
is because of my losses,
is because of my losses,
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我之所以成为今天的我，
完全是因为我经历的失败，
完全是因为我经历的失败，
16:58
and some of them are extremely painful,
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其中有些还非常的痛苦，
17:00
but I wouldn't take any of them away,
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但我不会选择绕开它们，
17:03
because every time I lose,
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因为每当我失败一次，
17:05
it takes a really long time
for me to lose again
for me to lose again
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再到下一次失败就要过很久，
17:07
because I learn so much from it.
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因为我从中学到了很多。
17:09
And I encourage everyone that I talk to --
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所以我鼓励身边的所有人，
17:12
I'm like, listen, if you lose
or if something happens --
or if something happens --
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听着，如果你失败了，
或者其他什么事情发生了，
或者其他什么事情发生了，
17:14
not in sports --
in business or in school --
in business or in school --
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不光在体育中——
在事业上或者学业上——
在事业上或者学业上——
17:17
learn from it.
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从中学习。
17:19
Don't live in the past,
live in the present,
live in the present,
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不要活在过去，要活在当下，
17:21
and don't make the same
mistakes in the future.
mistakes in the future.
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以后不要再犯同样的错误。
这是我在生活中
一直在努力做到的事情。
一直在努力做到的事情。
17:23
That's something
that I always try to live by.
that I always try to live by.
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GK：现在你在计划你的婚礼，
17:26
GK: Now you're planning a wedding
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我想知道，会是一场旅行结婚
17:27
and I want to know,
is it a destination wedding
is it a destination wedding
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去卡兹奇山或者波科诺山，
还是你准备在佛罗里达结婚？
还是你准备在佛罗里达结婚？
17:29
in the Catskills or Poconos
or are you going to do it in Florida?
or are you going to do it in Florida?
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17:33
What are you thinking?
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你是怎么想的？
17:35
Big or small?
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大型还是小型的？
17:37
SW: We're thinking medium size.
We don't want to do too big,
We don't want to do too big,
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SW：我们想办一个中型的，
我们不想弄得太盛大。
我们不想弄得太盛大。
但是我们想，我们不能拒绝这个人，
必须邀请那个人。
必须邀请那个人。
17:39
but then we're like, OK, we can't
say no to this person, this person.
say no to this person, this person.
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17:43
So we're thinking medium size
and we're just thinking --
and we're just thinking --
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所以我觉得中等规模吧，
我的个性是很有趣的，
但愿你今天能感受到。
但愿你今天能感受到。
17:45
My personality is a lot of fun.
Hopefully you can see that today.
Hopefully you can see that today.
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我不是个很严肃的人。
17:49
I'm not too serious.
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17:50
GK: And you like to dance.
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GK：而且你还喜欢跳舞。
17:52
And the next chapter
for Serena Williams is what?
for Serena Williams is what?
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那塞琳娜·威廉姆斯
的下一篇章是什么呢？
的下一篇章是什么呢？
17:55
SW: Oh, next for me.
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SW：嗯，接下来。
17:57
Obviously I'm going to have a baby
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很显然我会生一个宝宝，
17:59
and I'm going to stay fit
and kind of come back and play tennis
and kind of come back and play tennis
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我要保持身材，要回来继续打网球，
然后继续我的时尚公司。
18:02
and keep working on my fashion line.
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这会很有趣的。
18:04
That'll be really fun.
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GK：你知道是男孩还是女孩了吗？
18:05
GK: Do you know if it's a boy or girl?
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SW：我不知道，但我有点感觉。
18:07
SW: I don't. I have a feeling
of one or the other.
of one or the other.
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18:10
It's a 50-50 chance, but I have a feeling.
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几率是一半一半啦，但是我有感觉。
18:13
GK: Gayle is a unisex name.
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GK：没事，盖尔这个名字男女通用。
18:14
Whatever you and Alexis decide,
we are cheering you on!
we are cheering you on!
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不管你和亚历克西斯怎么决定，
我们都会为你欢呼！
我们都会为你欢呼！
18:17
SW: Thank you for that.
GK: You're welcome.
GK: You're welcome.
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SW：谢谢。
GK：不客气。
GK：不客气。
我们在为你欢呼，塞琳娜·威廉姆斯。
SW：非常感谢。
SW：非常感谢。
18:19
We are cheering you on, Serena Williams.
SW: Thank you so much.
SW: Thank you so much.
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谢谢大家。
18:22
Thank you guys.
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18:23
(Applause)
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（掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Serena Williams - AthleteWith her legendary spirit and unstoppable serve, tennis legend Serena Williams has become one of the world’s most enduring athletic superstars.
Why you should listen
Serena Williams sits at the top of the tennis world; she's won 23 career Grand Slams, which is the most Grand Slam singles titles in history, with her most recent win at the 2017 Australian Open. In some analysts' eyes, she's quite simply the greatest athlete of all time.
But Williams has extended her influence far beyond the tennis court. Through her activism, high-profile endorsements, TV and film appearances and writing (including a guide to life written with her sister, Venus), Williams inspires millions of fans worldwide.
Serena Williams | Speaker | TED.com
Gayle King - Journalist
Gayle King is a co-host of "CBS This Morning” and Editor-at-Large of the award-winning O, the Oprah Magazine.
Why you should listen
An award-winning journalist who has worked across television, radio and print, Gayle King is a co-host of CBS This Morning and Editor-at-Large of O, the Oprah Magazine.
King previously hosted The Gayle King Show, a live, weekday television interview program on OWN: The Oprah Winfrey Network. The program, which featured a discussion of a broad variety of topics that include politics, cultural developments, was also broadcast on XM Satellite Radio, where it premiered in 2006.
Before moving into print and radio, King worked for 18 years (1982–2000) as a television news anchor for CBS affiliate WFSB-TV in Hartford, Conn., during which period, she also hosted her own syndicated daytime program. Prior to joining WFSB, King worked at several other television stations, including WDAF-TV in Kansas City, Mo. (1978-1981), WJZ-TV in Baltimore, Md. (1976), and WTOP-TV in Washington, D.C. (1975).
King has received numerous awards for her extensive work as a journalist. In addition to three Emmys, she was honored in 2008 with the American Women in Radio & Television Gracie Award for Outstanding Radio Talk Show and in 2010 with both the Individual Achievement Award for Host-Entertainment/Information and the New York Women in Communications' Matrix Award.
Gayle King | Speaker | TED.com