Mission Blue II
Anote Tong: My country will be underwater soon -- unless we work together
Anote Tong: Moja krajina bude čoskoro pod vodou – ak nezačneme spoločne konať
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Pre obyvateĺov Kiribati nie je zmena klímy niečím, o čom by sa dalo debatovať, popierať to alebo zakázať zákonom – je to každodenná realita. Nízko položená ostrovná krajina môže byť kvôli stúpajúcej hladine čoskoro pod vodu. V osobnom rozhovore s kurátorom TEDu Chrisom Andersonom rozoberá kiribatský prezident Anote Tong súčasnú klimatickú katastrofu vo svojej krajine a jej ohrozenú budúcnosť. „Problém klímy nevyriešime bez prinášania obetí a bez veľkého nasadenia,“ hovorí. „Musíme ľuďom povedať, že svet sa zmenil.“
Anote Tong - President of the Republic of Kiribati
Anote Tong has built worldwide awareness of the potentially devastating impacts of climate change. Full bio
Anote Tong has built worldwide awareness of the potentially devastating impacts of climate change. Full bio
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00:12
Chris Anderson: Perhaps we could start
by just telling us about your country.
by just telling us about your country.
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Chris Anderson: Na začiatok by ste nám
mohli niečo povedať o svojej krajine.
mohli niečo povedať o svojej krajine.
00:16
It's three dots there on the globe.
Those dots are pretty huge.
Those dots are pretty huge.
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Na mape sveta sú to tri bodky. Dosť veľké.
00:20
I think each one
is about the size of California.
is about the size of California.
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Myslím, že každá má
asi tak rozlohu Kalifornie.
asi tak rozlohu Kalifornie.
00:23
Tell us about Kiribati.
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Povedzte nám o Kiribati.
00:25
Anote Tong: Well, let me first begin
by saying how deeply grateful I am
by saying how deeply grateful I am
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Anote Tong: Rád by som najprv
vyjadril svoju hlbokú vďačnosť
vyjadril svoju hlbokú vďačnosť
00:29
for this opportunity to share my story
with people who do care.
with people who do care.
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za možnosť podeliť sa o svoj príbeh
s ľuďmi, ktorí nie sú ľahostajní.
s ľuďmi, ktorí nie sú ľahostajní.
00:33
I think I've been sharing my story with
a lot of people who don't care too much.
a lot of people who don't care too much.
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Už som ho rozprával mnohým,
ktorým na tom príliš nezáležalo.
ktorým na tom príliš nezáležalo.
00:39
But Kiribati is comprised
of three groups of islands:
of three groups of islands:
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Kiribati tvoria tri skupiny ostrovov:
00:43
the Gilbert Group on the west,
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Gilbertova skupina na západe,
00:46
we have the Phoenix Islands in the middle,
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Phoenixské ostrovy uprostred
00:49
and the Line Islands in the east.
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a Líniové ostrovy na východe.
00:53
And quite frankly, Kiribati
is perhaps the only country
is perhaps the only country
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Poviem vám, že Kiribati
je asi jediná krajina,
je asi jediná krajina,
00:57
that is actually
in the four corners of the world,
in the four corners of the world,
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ktorá leží v štyroch kútoch sveta,
00:59
because we are in the Northern Hemisphere,
in the Southern Hemisphere,
in the Southern Hemisphere,
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lebo sme na severnej aj južnej pologuli
01:02
and also in the east and the west
of the International Date Line.
of the International Date Line.
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a zároveň na východ aj na západ
od dátumovej hranice.
od dátumovej hranice.
01:05
These islands are entirely
made up of coral atolls,
made up of coral atolls,
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Ostrovy pozostávajú
čisto z korálových atolov
čisto z korálových atolov
01:12
and on average about
two meters above sea level.
two meters above sea level.
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a priemerná nadmorská výška
je asi 2 metre.
je asi 2 metre.
01:17
And so this is what we have.
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To je všetko, čo máme.
01:20
Usually not more
than two kilometers in width.
than two kilometers in width.
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Šírka ostrovov väčšinou nepresahuje 2 km.
01:25
And so, on many occasions,
I've been asked by people,
I've been asked by people,
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Často sa ma ľudia pýtajú:
01:28
"You know, you're suffering,
why don't you move back?"
why don't you move back?"
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„Dobre, máte problém,
prečo sa nestiahnete do vnútrozemia? “
prečo sa nestiahnete do vnútrozemia? “
01:30
They don't understand.
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Nechápu.
Vôbec nerozumejú situácii.
Vôbec nerozumejú situácii.
01:32
They have no concept
of what it is that's involved.
of what it is that's involved.
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01:35
With the rising sea, they say,
"Well, you can move back."
"Well, you can move back."
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„Keď sa zvýši morská hladina,“ hovoria,
„tak choďte od mora ďalej.“
„tak choďte od mora ďalej.“
01:39
And so this is what I tell them.
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Odpovedám takto:
01:41
If we move back, we will fall off
on the other side of the ocean. OK?
on the other side of the ocean. OK?
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„Ak pôjdeme od mora, tak doň spadneme
na druhej strane ostrova. Jasné?"
na druhej strane ostrova. Jasné?"
01:45
But these are the kinds of issues
that people don't understand.
that people don't understand.
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Takéto veci ľudia nechápu.
01:50
CA: So certainly this is
just a picture of fragility there.
just a picture of fragility there.
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CA: To vykresľuje,
aká je vaša krajina zraniteľná.
aká je vaša krajina zraniteľná.
01:54
When was it that you yourself realized
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Kedy ste si vy sám uvedomili,
01:57
that there might be
impending peril for your country?
impending peril for your country?
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že krajine hrozí nebezpečenstvo?
02:00
AT: Well, the story of climate change
has been one that has been going on
has been one that has been going on
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AT: O klimatickej zmene sa predsa
hovorí už desiatky rokov.
hovorí už desiatky rokov.
02:04
for quite a number of decades.
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02:05
And when I came into office in 2003,
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A keď som sa stal v roku 2003 prezidentom,
02:10
I began talking about climate change
at the United Nations General Assembly,
at the United Nations General Assembly,
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začal som túto tému riešiť
na Valnom zhromaždení OSN,
na Valnom zhromaždení OSN,
02:14
but not with so much passion,
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ale vtedy to ešte nebolo
s takým nasadením,
s takým nasadením,
02:17
because then there was still
this controversy among the scientists
this controversy among the scientists
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pretože medzi vedcami
ešte nepanovala zhoda v tom,
ešte nepanovala zhoda v tom,
02:21
whether it was human-induced,
whether it was real or it wasn't.
whether it was real or it wasn't.
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či je zmena klímy spôsobená človekom,
a či vôbec prebieha.
a či vôbec prebieha.
02:26
But I think that that debate
was fairly much concluded in 2007
was fairly much concluded in 2007
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Ale myslím, že vec sa dostatočne vyjasnila
v roku 2007
v roku 2007
02:32
with the Fourth Assessment
Report of the IPCC,
Report of the IPCC,
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so Štvrtou hodnotiacou správou
Medzivládneho panelu o zmene klímy (IPCC),
Medzivládneho panelu o zmene klímy (IPCC),
02:38
which made a categorical statement
that it is real, it's human-induced,
that it is real, it's human-induced,
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ktorá rezolútne tvrdí,
že zmeny sú reálne a spôsobené človekom,
že zmeny sú reálne a spôsobené človekom,
02:45
and it's predicting
some very serious scenarios
some very serious scenarios
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a predpovedá veľmi vážne dôsledky
02:48
for countries like mine.
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pre krajiny, ako je moja.
02:51
And so that's when I got very serious.
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Vtedy som situáciu
začal brať skutočne vážne.
začal brať skutočne vážne.
02:54
In the past, I talked about it.
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Predtým som o tom rozprával.
02:58
We were worried.
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Mali sme obavy.
03:00
But when the scenarios,
the predictions came in 2007,
the predictions came in 2007,
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Ale keď v roku 2007 prišli tie predpovede,
03:03
it became a real issue for us.
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začali sme to brať ako veľký problém.
03:06
CA: Now, those predictions are,
I think, that by 2100,
I think, that by 2100,
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CA: Predpovede hovoria o tom,
že do roku 2100
že do roku 2100
03:11
sea levels are forecast to rise
perhaps three feet.
perhaps three feet.
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sa zdvihne hladina mora asi o meter.
03:14
There's scenarios where
it's higher than that, for sure,
it's higher than that, for sure,
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Je pravda, že existujú aj horšie scenáre,
ale čo by ste odpovedali
skeptikovi na otázku:
skeptikovi na otázku:
03:17
but what would you say
to a skeptic who said,
to a skeptic who said,
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03:19
"What's three feet?
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„Čo je to jeden meter?
03:20
You're on average
six feet above sea level.
six feet above sea level.
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Veď máte priemernú
nadmorskú výšku 2 metre.
nadmorskú výšku 2 metre.
03:22
What's the problem?"
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Kde je problém?“
03:24
AT: Well, I think
it's got to be understood
it's got to be understood
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AT: Treba si uvedomiť,
03:26
that a marginal rise in sea level
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že aj malé zvýšenie hladiny
prinesie veľkú stratu pôdy,
prinesie veľkú stratu pôdy,
03:28
would mean a loss of a lot of land,
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03:31
because much of the land is low.
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lebo veľká časť pevniny leží nízko.
03:34
And quite apart from that,
we are getting the swells at the moment.
we are getting the swells at the moment.
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A okrem toho,
my s tým už teraz máme problémy.
my s tým už teraz máme problémy.
Nezačne to až pri zdvihnutí o 70 cm...
03:39
So it's not about getting two feet.
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03:41
I think what many people do not understand
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Myslím, že veľa ľudí nechápe,
03:44
is they think climate change is something
that is happening in the future.
that is happening in the future.
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že zmena klímy nie je otázkou budúcnosti.
03:51
Well, we're at the very
bottom end of the spectrum.
bottom end of the spectrum.
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Teraz sme už na spodnom okraji spektra.
03:53
It's already with us.
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Už sa to deje.
03:55
We have communities
who already have been dislocated.
who already have been dislocated.
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Niektoré obce sme už museli evakuovať.
Ľudia sa museli odsťahovať
03:58
They have had to move,
and every parliament session,
and every parliament session,
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a na každej schôdzi parlamentu
dostávam sťažnosti od rôznych obcí:
dostávam sťažnosti od rôznych obcí:
04:02
I'm getting complaints
from different communities
from different communities
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04:05
asking for assistance to build seawalls,
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Žiadajú o pomoc so stavbou hrádzí,
04:08
to see what we can do
about the freshwater lens
about the freshwater lens
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so záchranou zdrojov pitnej vody,
ktoré miznú.
ktoré miznú.
04:10
because it's being destroyed,
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04:12
and so in my trips
to the different islands,
to the different islands,
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Počas návštev rôznych ostrovov vidím,
04:15
I'm seeing evidence of communities
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že obce musia čeliť stratám úrody,
04:18
which are now having to cope
with the loss of food crops,
with the loss of food crops,
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04:21
the contamination of the water lenses,
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kontaminácii podzemných zdrojov vody,
04:25
and I see these communities
perhaps leaving, having to relocate,
perhaps leaving, having to relocate,
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a vidím, že ich obyvatelia
zrejme budú musieť odísť
zrejme budú musieť odísť
04:29
within five to 10 years.
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do piatich až desiatich rokov.
04:32
CA: And then, I think the country
suffered its first cyclone,
suffered its first cyclone,
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CA: Navyše má vaša krajina
za sebou prvý hurikán,
za sebou prvý hurikán,
04:36
and this is connected, yes?
What happened here?
What happened here?
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a to s klimatickou zmenou súvisí, nie?
Čo sa stalo?
Čo sa stalo?
04:39
AT: Well, we're on the equator,
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AT: Ležíme na rovníku
04:42
and I'm sure many of you understand
that when you're on the equator,
that when you're on the equator,
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a určite mnohí z vás viete,
že rovník je pásmo tíšin.
že rovník je pásmo tíšin.
04:46
it's supposed to be in the doldrums.
We're not supposed to get the cyclones.
We're not supposed to get the cyclones.
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Búrky tu nie sú obvyklé.
U nás vznikajú
a my ich posielame na sever či na juh.
a my ich posielame na sever či na juh.
04:50
We create them, and then we send them
either north or south.
either north or south.
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04:53
(Laughter)
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(smiech)
04:54
But they aren't supposed to come back.
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K nám sa už nevracajú.
04:56
But for the first time,
at the beginning of this year,
at the beginning of this year,
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Ale začiatkom tohto roku
sa prvýkrát stalo, že hurikán Pam,
sa prvýkrát stalo, že hurikán Pam,
04:59
the Cyclone Pam,
which destroyed Vanuatu,
which destroyed Vanuatu,
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ktorý zničil Vanuatu,
05:02
and in the process,
the very edges of it actually touched
the very edges of it actually touched
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zasiahol svojím okrajom
aj naše dva najjužnejšie ostrovy.
aj naše dva najjužnejšie ostrovy.
05:06
our two southernmost islands,
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05:08
and all of Tuvalu was underwater
when Hurricane Pam struck.
when Hurricane Pam struck.
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Pri údere tohto hurikánu
bolo Tuvalu celé pod vodou.
bolo Tuvalu celé pod vodou.
05:14
But for our two southernmost islands,
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A vlny zaliali polovicu rozlohy
našich dvoch najjužnejších ostrovov.
našich dvoch najjužnejších ostrovov.
05:17
we had waves come over half the island,
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05:21
and so this has never happened before.
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To sa nikdy predtým nestalo,
je to nová skúsenosť.
je to nová skúsenosť.
05:23
It's a new experience.
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05:25
And I've just come back
from my own constituency,
from my own constituency,
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Práve som sa vrátil
z môjho domovského okresu
z môjho domovského okresu
05:30
and I've seen these beautiful trees
which had been there for decades,
which had been there for decades,
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a videl som, že tie krásne stromy,
čo tam rástli desiatky rokov,
čo tam rástli desiatky rokov,
05:34
they've been totally destroyed.
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hurikán úplne zničil.
05:36
So this is what's happening,
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Takže toto sa deje.
05:37
but when we talk
about the rising sea level,
about the rising sea level,
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Ale keď sa bavíme
o stúpajúcej hladine mora,
o stúpajúcej hladine mora,
05:41
we think it's something
that happens gradually.
that happens gradually.
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myslíme si, že zmena príde postupne.
05:44
It comes with the winds,
it comes with the swells,
it comes with the swells,
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Ona prichádza s vetrom, s vlnami,
05:47
and so they can be magnified,
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takže voda sa môže zdvihnúť nárazovo.
05:49
but what we are beginning to witness
is the change in the weather pattern,
is the change in the weather pattern,
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Sme tiež svedkami začínajúcej zmeny
meteorologických vzorcov
meteorologických vzorcov
05:55
which is perhaps the more urgent challenge
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a to je teraz možno najväčšia hrozba,
05:58
that we will face sooner
than perhaps the rising sea level.
than perhaps the rising sea level.
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ktorej budeme musieť čeliť
zrejme skôr než rastúcej hladine.
zrejme skôr než rastúcej hladine.
06:03
CA: So the country
is already seeing effects now.
is already seeing effects now.
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CA: Takže vaša krajina
už teraz znáša následky.
už teraz znáša následky.
06:06
As you look forward,
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Keď sa pozriete do budúcnosti,
06:08
what are your options
as a country, as a nation?
as a country, as a nation?
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aké máte ako krajina, ako národ, možnosti?
06:12
AT: Well, I've been telling
this story every year.
this story every year.
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AT: Rozprávam o tom každý rok
na rôznych...
na rôznych...
06:15
I think I visit a number of --
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cestujem po celom svete
a snažím sa to ľuďom vysvetľovať.
a snažím sa to ľuďom vysvetľovať.
06:16
I've been traveling the world
to try and get people to understand.
to try and get people to understand.
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06:21
We have a plan, we think we have a plan.
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Máme plán, aspoň si to myslíme.
06:24
And on one occasion,
I think I spoke in Geneva
I think I spoke in Geneva
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Raz, myslím, že to bolo v Ženeve,
06:27
and there was a gentleman
who was interviewing me
who was interviewing me
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so mnou robil jeden novinár
na túto tému rozhovor
na túto tému rozhovor
06:31
on something like this,
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a ja som povedal:
„Zaujímame sa o plávajúce ostrovy.“
„Zaujímame sa o plávajúce ostrovy.“
06:33
and I said, "We are looking
at floating islands,"
at floating islands,"
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06:36
and he thought it was funny,
but somebody said,
but somebody said,
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Jemu to prišlo vtipné, ale niekto povedal:
06:38
"No, this is not funny.
These people are looking for solutions."
These people are looking for solutions."
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„To nie je vtipné.
Títo ľudia hľadajú riešenia.“
Títo ľudia hľadajú riešenia.“
06:42
And so I have been looking
at floating islands.
at floating islands.
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Takže ja sa zaujímam o plávajúce ostrovy.
06:45
The Japanese are interested
in building floating islands.
in building floating islands.
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Japonci ich plánujú stavať.
06:49
But, as a country,
we have made a commitment
we have made a commitment
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Ako krajina sme si dali záväzok,
06:52
that no matter what happens,
we will try as much as possible
we will try as much as possible
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že čokoľvek by prišlo,
budeme sa celými silami snažiť
budeme sa celými silami snažiť
06:56
to stay and continue to exist as a nation.
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vytrvať a ako národ pokračovať.
07:00
What that will take,
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Bude to vyžadovať niečo veľkého,
07:02
it's going to be
something quite significant,
something quite significant,
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veľmi zásadného.
07:05
very, very substantial.
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Či už budeme žiť na plávajúcich ostrovoch,
07:07
Either we live on floating islands,
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07:09
or we have to build up the islands
to continue to stay out of the water
to continue to stay out of the water
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alebo budeme musieť naše ostrovy zvýšiť,
aby sme zostali nad vodou,
aby sme zostali nad vodou,
07:13
as the sea level rises
and as the storms get more severe.
and as the storms get more severe.
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keď more vzrastie a búrky zosilnejú.
07:18
But even that, it's going to be
very, very difficult
very, very difficult
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Ale aj v tom prípade bude veľmi náročné
07:20
to get the kind of resourcing
that we would need.
that we would need.
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získať potrebné zdroje.
07:23
CA: And then the only recourse
is some form of forced migration.
is some form of forced migration.
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CA: A posledná možnosť je
nejaká forma nútenej migrácie.
nejaká forma nútenej migrácie.
07:27
AT: Well, we are also looking at that
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AT: Áno, aj na to myslíme,
07:29
because in the event
that nothing comes forward
that nothing comes forward
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pretože v prípade,
že nám medzinárodné spoločenstvo nepomôže
že nám medzinárodné spoločenstvo nepomôže
07:32
from the international community,
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musíme sa pripraviť,
07:34
we are preparing,
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07:35
we don't want to be caught
like what's happening in Europe.
like what's happening in Europe.
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nechceme sa ocitnúť v situácii,
ktorú teraz rieši Európa.
ktorú teraz rieši Európa.
07:38
OK? We don't want to mass migrate
at some point in time.
at some point in time.
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Nechceme jedného dňa masovo migrovať.
07:41
We want to be able
to give the people the choice today,
to give the people the choice today,
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Chceme dať dnes ľuďom na výber.
07:44
those who choose
and want to do that, to migrate.
and want to do that, to migrate.
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Nech odídu tí, ktorí sa tak rozhodnú.
07:48
We don't want something to happen
that they are forced to migrate
that they are forced to migrate
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Nechceme, aby sa stalo niečo,
čo ľudí prinúti odísť nepripravených.
čo ľudí prinúti odísť nepripravených.
07:53
without having been prepared to do so.
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07:56
Of course, our culture is very different,
our society is very different,
our society is very different,
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Samozrejme, máme odlišnú
kultúru a spoločnosť
kultúru a spoločnosť
07:59
and once we migrate
into a different environment,
into a different environment,
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a keď imigrujeme do iného prostredia,
do inej kultúry,
do inej kultúry,
08:01
a different culture,
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08:03
there's a whole lot
of adjustments that are required.
of adjustments that are required.
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bude treba sa veľmi prispôsobovať.
08:06
CA: Well, there's forced migration
in your country's past,
in your country's past,
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CA: Vaša krajina už v minulosti
nútenú migráciu zažila
nútenú migráciu zažila
08:09
and I think just this week,
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a myslím, že tento týždeň,
08:11
just yesterday
or the day before yesterday,
or the day before yesterday,
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len včera či predvčerom,
08:14
you visited these people.
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ste týchto ľudí navštívili.
08:16
What happened here? What's the story here?
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Čo sa vtedy stalo?
08:18
AT: Yes, and I'm sorry,
I think somebody was asking
I think somebody was asking
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AT: Áno a mrzí ma, že niekto sa pýtal,
08:21
why we were sneaking off
to visit that place.
to visit that place.
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prečo sme sa „odkradli“
navštíviť to miesto.
navštíviť to miesto.
08:24
I had a very good reason, because we have
a community of Kiribati people
a community of Kiribati people
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Mal som veľmi dobrý dôvod,
lebo v tej časti Šalamúnových ostrovov
žije kiribatská komunita.
žije kiribatská komunita.
08:28
living in that part
of the Solomon Islands,
of the Solomon Islands,
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08:32
but these were people who were relocated
from the Phoenix Islands, in fact,
from the Phoenix Islands, in fact,
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Tí ľudia tam boli vysťahovaní
z Phoenixských ostrovov v 60. rokoch.
z Phoenixských ostrovov v 60. rokoch.
08:36
in the 1960s.
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08:37
There was serious drought, and the people
could not continue to live on the island,
could not continue to live on the island,
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Prišlo veľké sucho a tí ľudia
už nemohli ďalej žiť na svojom ostrove
už nemohli ďalej žiť na svojom ostrove
08:42
and so they were moved
to live here in the Solomon Islands.
to live here in the Solomon Islands.
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a tak ich presťahovali
sem na Šalamúnove ostrovy.
sem na Šalamúnove ostrovy.
08:45
And so yesterday it was very interesting
to meet with these people.
to meet with these people.
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Včera som sa nimi stretol
a bolo to veľmi zaujímavé.
a bolo to veľmi zaujímavé.
08:48
They didn't know who I was.
They hadn't heard of me.
They hadn't heard of me.
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Nevedeli, kto som. Nikdy o mne nepočuli.
08:51
Some of them later recognized me,
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Niektorí ma neskôr spoznali.
08:53
but I think they were very happy.
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Myslím, že ich moja návšteva
veľmi potešila.
veľmi potešila.
08:57
Later they really wanted to have
the opportunity to welcome me formally.
the opportunity to welcome me formally.
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Naozaj stáli o to, aby ma raz
mohli prijať oficiálne.
mohli prijať oficiálne.
09:01
But I think what I saw yesterday
was very interesting
was very interesting
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Ale včerajšia návšteva
bola veľmi zaujímavá tým,
bola veľmi zaujímavá tým,
09:05
because here I see our people.
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že som videl našich ľudí tu u vás.
09:07
I spoke in our language, and of course
they spoke back, they replied,
they spoke back, they replied,
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Hovoril som našou rečou
a oni mi odpovedali,
a oni mi odpovedali,
09:12
but their accent, they are beginning
not to be able to speak Kiribati properly.
not to be able to speak Kiribati properly.
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ale ten prízvuk… pomaly už nebudú schopní
hovoriť po kiribatsky poriadne.
hovoriť po kiribatsky poriadne.
09:17
I saw them, there was
this lady with red teeth.
this lady with red teeth.
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Videl som tam pani s červenými zubami,
žuvala oriešky arekovej palmy
žuvala oriešky arekovej palmy
09:20
She was chewing betel nuts,
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a to my na Kiribati nerobíme.
09:22
and it's not something we do in Kiribati.
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09:24
We don't chew betel nuts.
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Nežuváme arekové oriešky.
09:27
I met also a family who have married
the local people here,
the local people here,
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Tiež som stretol rodinu,
ktorej členovia si vzali miestnych.
ktorej členovia si vzali miestnych.
09:33
and so this is what is happening.
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To sa deje.
Keď prídete do inej spoločnosti,
budete sa meniť.
budete sa meniť.
09:37
As you go into another community,
there are bound to be changes.
there are bound to be changes.
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09:40
There is bound to be
a certain loss of identity,
a certain loss of identity,
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Nutne stratíte časť svojej identity.
09:45
and this is what we will be
looking for in the future
looking for in the future
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To nás čaká v budúcnosti,
09:48
if and when we do migrate.
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ak a keď sa odsťahujeme.
09:51
CA: It must have been
just an extraordinarily emotional day
just an extraordinarily emotional day
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CA: Musel to byť emóciami nabitý deň,
09:54
because of these questions about identity,
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všetky tie otázky identity,
radosť, že vás vidia,
radosť, že vás vidia,
09:57
the joy of seeing you and perhaps
an emphasized sense of what they had lost.
an emphasized sense of what they had lost.
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a možno aj zosilnený pocit straty.
10:02
And it's very inspiring to hear you say
you're going to fight to the end
you're going to fight to the end
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Je veľmi inšpirujúce počuť,
že chcete bojovať až do konca
že chcete bojovať až do konca
10:05
to try to preserve
the nation in a location.
the nation in a location.
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za udržanie vášho národa na jednom mieste.
10:10
AT: This is our wish.
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AT: To si želáme.
10:11
Nobody wants ever to leave their home,
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Nikto predsa nechce odísť z domova.
10:14
and so it's been
a very difficult decision for me.
a very difficult decision for me.
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Pre mňa to bolo veľmi ťažké rozhodnutie.
10:17
As a leader, you don't make plans
to leave your island, your home,
to leave your island, your home,
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Keď je človek prezidentom,
neplánuje opustiť svoj ostrov, svoj domov.
neplánuje opustiť svoj ostrov, svoj domov.
10:23
and so I've been asked
on a number of occasions,
on a number of occasions,
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Často sa ma ľudia pýtajú:
10:25
"So how do you feel?"
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„Aký je to pocit?“
10:26
And it doesn't feel good at all.
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Dosť zlý.
10:29
It's an emotional thing,
and I've tried to live with it,
and I've tried to live with it,
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Je to emotívne, skúšam s tým žiť.
10:33
and I know that on occasions, I'm accused
of not trying to solve the problem
of not trying to solve the problem
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Občas ma obviňujú,
že sa nesnažím ten problém riešiť,
že sa nesnažím ten problém riešiť,
10:38
because I can't solve the problem.
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pretože ho vyriešiť nedokážem.
10:40
It's something that's got
to be done collectively.
to be done collectively.
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Na to treba ísť kolektívne.
10:43
Climate change is a global phenomenon,
and as I've often argued,
and as I've often argued,
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Zmena klímy je globálny jav,
a ako často zdôrazňujem –
a ako často zdôrazňujem –
10:49
unfortunately, the countries,
when we come to the United Nations --
when we come to the United Nations --
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keď s tým prídeme na OSN,
ostatné krajiny, žiaľ…
ostatné krajiny, žiaľ…
10:53
I was in a meeting with
the Pacific Island Forum countries
the Pacific Island Forum countries
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Bol som na stretnutí
Fóra tichomorských ostrovov,
Fóra tichomorských ostrovov,
10:58
where Australia and New Zealand
are also members,
are also members,
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ktorého členmi sú
aj Austrália a Nový Zéland,
aj Austrália a Nový Zéland,
11:01
and we had an argument.
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a prišlo k stretu názorov.
11:02
There was a bit of a story in the news
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Rozmazávalo sa to aj v novinách.
11:05
because they were arguing
that to cut emissions,
that to cut emissions,
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Oni tvrdili, že znížiť emisie,
11:09
it would be something
that they're unable to do
that they're unable to do
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to pre nich nie je možné,
11:12
because it would affect the industries.
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lebo by to zasiahlo priemysel.
11:15
And so here I was saying,
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A ja som vravel:
11:16
OK, I hear you,
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„Áno, počujem vás,
11:19
I understand what you're saying,
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chápem, čo hovoríte,
11:20
but try also to understand what I'm saying
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ale skúste aj vy porozumieť mne,
11:23
because if you do not cut your emissions,
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lebo ak neznížite svoje emisie,
11:25
then our survival is on the line.
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tak naše prežitie visí na vlásku.
11:28
And so it's a matter for you
to weigh this, these moral issues.
to weigh this, these moral issues.
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Takže je na vás,
zvážiť túto morálnu dilemu.
zvážiť túto morálnu dilemu.
11:32
It's about industry as opposed to
the survival of a people.
the survival of a people.
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Priemysel verzus prežitie národa.“
11:36
CA: You know, I ask you yesterday
what made you angry,
what made you angry,
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CA: Včera som sa vás pýtal,
čo vás rozčuľuje,
čo vás rozčuľuje,
11:39
and you said, "I don't get angry."
But then you paused.
But then you paused.
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a vy ste mi odpovedal
„Ja sa nerozčuľujem.“
„Ja sa nerozčuľujem.“
Ale potom ste zmĺkli.
Myslím, že toto vás hnevá.
Myslím, že toto vás hnevá.
11:42
I think this made you angry.
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11:44
AT: I'd refer you to my earlier
statement at the United Nations.
statement at the United Nations.
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AT: Odkážem vás
k jednému môjmu prehláseniu na OSN.
k jednému môjmu prehláseniu na OSN.
11:49
I was very angry, very frustrated
and then depressed.
and then depressed.
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Bol som veľmi rozhnevaný,
frustrovaný a deprimovaný.
frustrovaný a deprimovaný.
11:54
There was a sense of futility
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Bol tam taký pocit márnosti,
11:56
that we are fighting a fight
that we have no hope of winning.
that we have no hope of winning.
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že bojujeme za niečo,
čo nemáme šancu dosiahnuť.
čo nemáme šancu dosiahnuť.
12:01
I had to change my approach.
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Musel som zmeniť prístup.
12:03
I had to become more reasonable
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Zachovať si chladnú hlavu.
12:05
because I thought people would listen
to somebody who was rational,
to somebody who was rational,
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Ľudia zrejme viac počujú
na racionálne argumenty.
na racionálne argumenty.
12:09
but I remain radically rational,
whatever that is.
whatever that is.
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Tak zostávam radikálne racionálny,
nech ide o čokoľvek.
nech ide o čokoľvek.
12:11
(Laughter)
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(smiech)
12:13
CA: Now, a core part
of your nation's identity is fishing.
of your nation's identity is fishing.
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CA: Jadrom identity vášho národa
je rybolov.
je rybolov.
12:17
I think you said pretty much everyone
is involved in fishing in some way.
is involved in fishing in some way.
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Tuším ste vraveli, že prakticky každý
je do rybolovu nejako zapojený.
je do rybolovu nejako zapojený.
12:20
AT: Well, we eat fish
every day, every day,
every day, every day,
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AT: My jeme ryby každý deň
12:23
and I think there is no doubt
that our rate of consumption of fish
that our rate of consumption of fish
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a povedal by som, že konzumácia rýb
je u nás asi najvyššia na svete.
je u nás asi najvyššia na svete.
12:28
is perhaps the highest in the world.
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12:30
We don't have a lot of livestock,
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Nechováme veľa dobytka,
12:32
so it's fish that we depend on.
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takže sme závislí na rybách.
12:35
CA: So you're dependent on fish,
both at the local level
both at the local level
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CA: Ste závislí na rybách
na lokálnej úrovni,
na lokálnej úrovni,
12:38
and for the revenues
that the country receives
that the country receives
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ale aj na príjmoch, ktoré vašej krajine
prináša svetový obchod s tuniakom.
prináša svetový obchod s tuniakom.
12:41
from the global fishing business for tuna,
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12:43
and yet despite that, a few years ago
you took a very radical step.
you took a very radical step.
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Napriek tomu ste sa pred pár rokmi
odhodlali k radikálnemu kroku.
odhodlali k radikálnemu kroku.
12:48
Can you tell us about that?
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Porozprávate nám o tom?
12:50
I think something happened
right here in the Phoenix Islands.
right here in the Phoenix Islands.
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Myslím, že niečo sa stalo
práve tu na Phoenixských ostrovoch.
práve tu na Phoenixských ostrovoch.
12:53
AT: Let me give some of the background
of what fish means for us.
of what fish means for us.
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AT: Skúsim vám priblížiť,
čo pre nás rybolov znamená.
čo pre nás rybolov znamená.
12:58
We have one of the largest
tuna fisheries remaining in the world.
tuna fisheries remaining in the world.
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Máme jednu z najväčších populácií tuniaka,
ktoré na svete zostali.
ktoré na svete zostali.
13:02
In the Pacific, I think we own
something like 60 percent
something like 60 percent
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Myslím, že v rámci Pacifiku
nám prislúcha niečo ako 60 %
nám prislúcha niečo ako 60 %
13:05
of the remaining tuna fisheries,
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zostávajúcich populácií,
13:07
and it remains relatively healthy
for some species, but not all.
for some species, but not all.
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ktoré sú relatívne zdravé,
aspoň pri niektorých druhoch.
aspoň pri niektorých druhoch.
13:11
And Kiribati is one of the three
major resource owners,
major resource owners,
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A Kiribati je jedným
z troch najväčších vlastníkov
z troch najväčších vlastníkov
13:18
tuna resource owners.
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tuniakových lovísk.
13:19
And at the moment, we have been getting
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V súčasnosti 80 až 90 % našich príjmov
13:23
something like 80 to 90
percent of our revenue
percent of our revenue
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tvoria poplatky za rybolov.
13:26
from access fees, license fees.
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13:28
CA: Of your national revenue.
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CA: Myslíte štátne príjmy.
13:30
AT: National revenue,
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AT: Štátne príjmy,
od ktorých sa odvíja práca vlády,
od ktorých sa odvíja práca vlády,
13:32
which drives everything that we do
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13:35
in governments, hospitals,
schools and what have you.
schools and what have you.
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nemocnice, školy a to všetko.
13:39
But we decided to close this,
and it was a very difficult decision.
and it was a very difficult decision.
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Ale rozhodli sme sa s tým skončiť;
bolo to veľmi ťažké rozhodnutie.
bolo to veľmi ťažké rozhodnutie.
13:44
I can assure you, politically,
locally, it was not easy,
locally, it was not easy,
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To mi verte, politicky, lokálne,
to nebolo jednoduché,
to nebolo jednoduché,
13:50
but I was convinced that we had to do this
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ale bol som presvedčený,
že to musíme urobiť,
že to musíme urobiť,
13:54
in order to ensure
that the fishery remains sustainable.
that the fishery remains sustainable.
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aby sme zaistili udržateľnosť
rybích populácií.
rybích populácií.
13:58
There had been some indications
that some of the species,
that some of the species,
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Začalo sa ukazovať, že niektoré druhy,
14:01
in particular the bigeye,
was under serious threat.
was under serious threat.
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hlavne tuniaky z čeľade Priacanthidae,
sú vážne ohrozené.
sú vážne ohrozené.
14:05
The yellowfin was also heavily fished.
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Aj tuniakov žltoplutvých
sa lovilo príliš.
sa lovilo príliš.
14:09
Skipjack remains healthy.
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Tuniak pruhovaný je na tom dobre.
14:10
And so we had to do something like that,
and so that was the reason I did that.
and so that was the reason I did that.
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Bolo treba zakročiť a ja som zakročil.
14:15
Another reason why I did that
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Navyše, žiadal som
medzinárodné spoločenstvo,
medzinárodné spoločenstvo,
14:19
was because I had been asking
the international community
the international community
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that in order to deal with climate change,
in order to fight climate change,
in order to fight climate change,
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aby bojovalo so zmenou klímy,
14:28
there has got to be sacrifice,
there has got to be commitment.
there has got to be commitment.
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čo vyžaduje veľké obete a odhodlanosť.
14:32
So in asking the international community
to make a sacrifice,
to make a sacrifice,
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Takže ak my žiadame obete od
medzinárodného spoločenstva,
medzinárodného spoločenstva,
14:38
I thought we ourselves
need to make that sacrifice.
need to make that sacrifice.
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musíme sami niečo obetovať,
vravel som si.
vravel som si.
14:41
And so we made the sacrifice.
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A tak sme obetovali.
14:42
And forgoing commercial fishing
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Stopnutie komerčného rybolovu
14:47
in the Phoenix Islands protected area
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v Chránenej oblasti Phoenixských ostrovov
14:50
would mean a loss of revenue.
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prinesie veľkú dieru v príjmoch.
14:52
We are still trying to assess
what that loss would be
what that loss would be
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Stále ešte hodnotíme,
koľko nás to bude stáť,
koľko nás to bude stáť,
14:54
because we actually closed it off
at the beginning of this year,
at the beginning of this year,
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lebo loviská sme zavreli
len začiatkom tohto roka,
len začiatkom tohto roka,
15:00
and so we will see by the end of this year
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a tak pokles príjmov
budeme môcť vyčísliť až koncom roka.
budeme môcť vyčísliť až koncom roka.
15:02
what it means in terms
of the lost revenue.
of the lost revenue.
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15:05
CA: So there's so many things
playing into this.
playing into this.
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CA: V hre je veľa faktorov.
15:08
On the one hand,
it may prompt healthier fisheries.
it may prompt healthier fisheries.
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Na jednej strane to ozdraví
rybie populácie.
rybie populácie.
15:15
I mean, how much are you able
to move the price up
to move the price up
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Nakoľko ste schopní zdvihnúť poplatky
na ostatných loviskách?
na ostatných loviskách?
15:17
that you charge for the remaining areas?
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15:20
AT: The negotiations
have been very difficult,
have been very difficult,
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AT: Jednania boli veľmi náročné,
15:24
but we have managed
to raise the cost of a vessel day.
to raise the cost of a vessel day.
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ale podarilo sa nám
zdvihnúť poplatok za loď a deň
zdvihnúť poplatok za loď a deň
15:28
For any vessel
to come in to fish for a day,
to come in to fish for a day,
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15:31
we have raised the fee from --
it was $6,000 and $8,000,
it was $6,000 and $8,000,
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z šesť- až osemtisíc dolárov
15:34
now to $10,000, $12,000 per vessel day.
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na desať- až dvanásťtisíc za loď a deň.
15:39
And so there's been
that significant increase.
that significant increase.
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To je dosť významný nárast.
15:42
But at the same time,
what's important to note is,
what's important to note is,
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Ale zároveň si treba uvedomiť,
15:47
whereas in the past these fishing boats
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že v minulosti rybárske lode
15:51
might be fishing in a day
and maybe catch 10 tons,
and maybe catch 10 tons,
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vylovili takých 10 ton denne
15:55
now they're catching maybe 100 tons
because they've become so efficient.
because they've become so efficient.
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a dnes vylovia aj sto ton,
lebo veľmi zvýšili svoju efektivitu.
lebo veľmi zvýšili svoju efektivitu.
15:59
And so we've got to respond likewise.
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Takže musíme odpovedať podobne.
16:02
We've got to be very, very careful
because the technology has so improved.
because the technology has so improved.
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Musíme byť veľmi opatrní,
lebo technológie sa tak posunuli.
lebo technológie sa tak posunuli.
16:06
There was a time when the Brazilian fleet
moved from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
moved from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
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Kedysi brazílska flotila chcela preplávať
z Atlantiku do Pacifiku.
z Atlantiku do Pacifiku.
16:11
They couldn't.
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To nebolo možné.
16:12
They started experimenting
if they could, per se.
if they could, per se.
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Začali to skúšať, len tak, ako experiment.
16:16
But now they've got ways of doing it,
and they've become so efficient.
and they've become so efficient.
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Dnes majú na to mnoho možností
a sú veľmi efektívni.
a sú veľmi efektívni.
16:21
CA: Can you give us a sense
of what it's like in those negotiations?
of what it's like in those negotiations?
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CA: Priblížte nám,
ako to vyzerá na takých jednaniach.
ako to vyzerá na takých jednaniach.
16:24
Because you're up against companies
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Vy tam čelíte veľkým firmám,
16:26
that have hundreds of millions
of dollars at stake, essentially.
of dollars at stake, essentially.
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ktoré majú v stávke
stovky miliónov dolárov.
stovky miliónov dolárov.
16:29
How do you hold the line?
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Ako si držíte svoju pozíciu?
Môžete nejako poradiť
ďalším svetovým lídrom,
ďalším svetovým lídrom,
16:33
Is there any advice you can give
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16:35
to other leaders who are dealing
with the same companies
with the same companies
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ktorí jednajú s rovnakými korporáciami,
16:38
about how to get
the most for your country,
the most for your country,
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ako získať čo najviac pre svoju krajinu,
16:42
get the most for the fish?
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ako získať čo najviac pre ryby?
16:46
What advice would you give?
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Čo by ste im poradili?
16:48
AT: Well, I think we focus
too often on licensing
too often on licensing
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AT: Myslím, že na to,
aby sme zvýšili výnosovú mieru
aby sme zvýšili výnosovú mieru
sa príliš sústreďujeme na poplatky za lov.
16:54
in order to get the rate of return,
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16:56
because what we are getting
from license fees
from license fees
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To, čo získame na poplatkoch,
16:59
is about 10 percent
of the landed value of the catch
of the landed value of the catch
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zodpovedá asi 10 % hodnoty úlovku,
17:01
on the side of the wharf,
not in the retail shops.
not in the retail shops.
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myslím v prístave, nie v maloobchode.
17:04
And we only get about 10 percent.
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A my z toho máme len 10 %.
17:08
What we have been trying
to do over the years
to do over the years
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O čo sa celé roky usilujeme,
17:11
is actually to increase
our participation in the industry,
our participation in the industry,
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je zvýšiť našu účasť
na celom tom priemysle;
na celom tom priemysle;
17:15
in the harvesting, in the processing,
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na love, spracovaní
a dúfajme aj na obchode.
a dúfajme aj na obchode.
17:17
and eventually, hopefully, the marketing.
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17:19
They're not easy to penetrate,
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Nie je ľahké sa medzi nich dostať,
17:23
but we are working towards that,
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ale pracujeme na tom.
17:25
and yes, the answer would be to enhance.
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Čiže odpoveďou je ísť vyššie.
17:28
In order to increase our rate of return,
we have to become more involved.
we have to become more involved.
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Aby sme zvýšili našu výnosovú mieru,
musíme sa viac zapojiť.
musíme sa viac zapojiť.
17:32
And so we've started doing that,
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S tým sme už začali
17:35
and we have to restructure the industry.
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a potrebujeme reštrukturovať
celý priemysel.
celý priemysel.
17:40
We've got to tell these people
that the world has changed.
that the world has changed.
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Musíme tým ľuďom povedať,
že svet sa zmenil.
že svet sa zmenil.
17:43
Now we want to produce the fish ourselves.
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Teraz chceme produkovať ryby my sami.
17:46
CA: And meanwhile,
for your local fishermen,
for your local fishermen,
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CA: A čo vaši miestni rybári?
17:48
they are still able to fish,
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Stále môžu loviť,
ale ako sa im s ich remeslom darí?
ale ako sa im s ich remeslom darí?
17:51
but what is business like for them?
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17:53
Is it getting harder?
Are the waters depleted?
Are the waters depleted?
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Je to čoraz ťažšie? Sú vody už vylovené?
17:56
Or is that being run
on a sustainable basis?
on a sustainable basis?
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Alebo to robia na udržateľnej úrovni?
17:59
AT: For the artisanal fishery,
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AT: Malí rybári sa nepodieľajú
na komerčnom rybolove;
na komerčnom rybolove;
18:01
we do not participate
in the commercial fishing activity
in the commercial fishing activity
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18:04
except only to supply the domestic market.
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zásobujú len domáci trh.
18:07
The tuna fishery is really
entirely for the foreign market,
entirely for the foreign market,
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Náš tuniak je celý na vývoz,
18:10
mostly here in the US, Europe, Japan.
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hlavne sem do USA, Európy a Japonska.
18:17
So I am a fisherman, very much,
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Ja veľmi rád rybárčim
18:21
and I used to be able to catch yellowfin.
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a kedysi som lovil aj žltoplutvé tuniaky.
18:24
Now it's very, very rare
to be able to catch yellowfin
to be able to catch yellowfin
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Dnes takého ulovíte len veľmi vzácne,
18:27
because they are being lifted
out of the water by the hundreds of tons
out of the water by the hundreds of tons
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lebo ich vyťahujú v sieťach
po stovkách ton.
po stovkách ton.
18:30
by these purse seiners.
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18:34
CA: So here's a couple
of beautiful girls from your country.
of beautiful girls from your country.
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CA: Tu vidíme malé krásavice
z vašej krajiny.
z vašej krajiny.
18:39
I mean, as you think about their future,
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Keď myslíte na ich budúcnosť,
18:42
what message would you have for them
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čo by ste im odkázali?
18:45
and what message
would you have for the world?
would you have for the world?
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A čo by ste odkázali svetu?
18:48
AT: Well, I've been telling the world
that we really have to do something
that we really have to do something
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AT: Už nejakú dobu hovorím svetu,
že naozaj treba konať
že naozaj treba konať
18:51
about what is happening to the climate
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a zmierniť klimatickú zmenu;
18:53
because for us, it's about
the future of these children.
the future of these children.
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pre nás je to o budúcnosti týchto detí.
18:56
I have 12 grandchildren, at least.
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Ja mám prinajmenšom 12 vnúčat.
18:58
I think I have 12, my wife knows.
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Myslím, že 12, manželka by vám povedala.
19:00
(Laughter)
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(smiech)
19:02
And I think I have eight children.
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A mysím, že detí mám osem.
19:05
It's about their future.
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Je to o ich budúcnosti.
19:07
Every day I see my grandchildren,
about the same age as these young girls,
about the same age as these young girls,
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každý deň vidím svoje vnúčatá –
sú asi vo veku týchto dievčat –
sú asi vo veku týchto dievčat –
19:10
and I do wonder,
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a mám v hlave otázky
19:13
and I get angry sometimes, yes I do.
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a niekedy sa aj nahnevám, naozaj.
19:15
I wonder what is to become of them.
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Pýtam sa, čo s nimi bude?
19:17
And so it's about them
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Je to o nich
19:20
that we should be telling everybody,
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a každému by sme mali hovoriť,
19:23
that it's not about
their own national interest,
their own national interest,
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že to nie je o niečích štátnych záujmoch,
19:25
because climate change,
regrettably, unfortunately,
regrettably, unfortunately,
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lebo klimatická zmena je, žiaľ,
19:29
is viewed by many countries
as a national problem. It's not.
as a national problem. It's not.
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mnohými štátmi vnímaná ako ich problém.
To ale nie je.
To ale nie je.
19:33
And this is the argument
we got into recently with our partners,
we got into recently with our partners,
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Kvôli tomu sme sa nedávno dostali do sporu
s našimi partnermi
s našimi partnermi
19:36
the Australians and New Zealanders,
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z Austrálie a Nového Zélandu,
19:37
because they said,
"We can't cut any more."
"We can't cut any more."
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lebo oni tvrdili:
„Viac už znižovať nemôžeme.“
„Viac už znižovať nemôžeme.“
19:41
This is what one of the leaders,
the Australian leader, said,
the Australian leader, said,
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Austrálsky predstaviteľ povedal:
19:44
that we've done our part,
we are cutting back.
we are cutting back.
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„My sme si svoje splnili,
znížili sme emisie.“
znížili sme emisie.“
19:49
I said, What about the rest?
Why don't you keep it?
Why don't you keep it?
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A ja na to: „Ale čo ten zvyšok?
Prečo si ho nenecháte?
Prečo si ho nenecháte?
19:52
If you could keep
the rest of your emissions
the rest of your emissions
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Ak by ste si nechali zvyšok emisií
za vašimi hranicami,
za vašimi hranicami,
19:55
within your boundaries,
within your borders,
within your borders,
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19:57
we'd have no question.
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nemali by sme žiadne pripomienky.
19:59
You can go ahead as much as you like.
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Vypúšťajte si, koľko sa vám zapáči.
20:01
But unfortunately,
you're sending it our way,
you're sending it our way,
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Ale bohužiaľ, vy to posielate naším smerom
20:03
and it's affecting
the future of our children.
the future of our children.
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a ovplyvňujete budúcnosť našich detí.
20:05
And so surely I think that is the heart
of the problem of climate change today.
of the problem of climate change today.
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Toto je podľa mňa jadro problému
s klimatickou zmenou.
s klimatickou zmenou.
20:11
We will be meeting in Paris
at the end of this year,
at the end of this year,
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Koncom roka sa stretneme v Paríži,
20:14
but until we can think of this
as a global phenomenon,
as a global phenomenon,
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ale kým to nebudeme brať ako globálny jav,
20:18
because we create it,
individually, as nations,
individually, as nations,
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ktorý sme individuálne,
ako štáty, zapríčinili,
ako štáty, zapríčinili,
20:21
but it affects everybody else,
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ktorý však ovplyvňuje celý svet,
20:23
and yet, we refuse
to do anything about it,
to do anything about it,
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a napriek tomu ho odmietame riešiť
20:26
and we deal with it as a national problem,
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a vnímame ho ako svoj národný problém,
20:29
which it is not -- it is a global issue,
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ktorým nie je – je to celosvetový problém
20:31
and it's got to be
dealt with collectively.
dealt with collectively.
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a treba ho riešiť kolektívne.
20:35
CA: People are incredibly bad
at responding to graphs and numbers,
at responding to graphs and numbers,
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CA: Ľudská myseľ
veľmi slabo reaguje na grafy a čísla,
veľmi slabo reaguje na grafy a čísla,
20:39
and we shut our minds to it.
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zatvárame pred nimi oči.
20:43
Somehow, to people, we're slightly better
at responding to that sometimes.
at responding to that sometimes.
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Z nejakého dôvodu
o trochu lepšie reagujeme na ľudí.
o trochu lepšie reagujeme na ľudí.
20:49
And it seems like it's
very possible that your nation,
very possible that your nation,
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A je možné, že váš národ,
20:52
despite, actually because of
the intense problems you face,
the intense problems you face,
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napriek – alebo kvôli – veľkým problémom,
ktorým čelíte,
ktorým čelíte,
20:57
you may yet be the warning light
to the world that shines most visibly,
to the world that shines most visibly,
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predstavuje výstražný maják,
ktorý najsilnejšie svieti a svet ho vidí.
ktorý najsilnejšie svieti a svet ho vidí.
21:02
most powerfully.
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21:04
I just want to thank you,
I'm sure, on behalf of all of us,
I'm sure, on behalf of all of us,
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Chcem vám poďakovať,
určite v mene nás všetkých,
určite v mene nás všetkých,
za vašu jedinečnú misiu
a za to, že ste dnes medzi nami.
a za to, že ste dnes medzi nami.
21:06
for your extraordinary leadership
and for being here.
and for being here.
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21:09
Mr. President, thank you so much.
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Pán prezident, veľká vďaka.
21:11
AT: Thank you.
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AT: Ďakujem.
21:11
(Applause)
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(potlesk)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Anote Tong - President of the Republic of KiribatiAnote Tong has built worldwide awareness of the potentially devastating impacts of climate change.
Why you should listen
His Excellency Anote Tong is the fourth President of the Republic of Kiribati. He was first elected as President on 10 July 2003 and subsequently won two more elections in 2007 and in 2012. He is now serving his last term, which will end in mid-2015. Under his leadership, President Anote Tong also holds the portfolio of Head of State and Minister of Foreign Affairs and Immigration.
Anote Tong was born in 1952 on Fanning Island (also known as Tabuaeran) in the Line Islands and is a member of the Kiribati House of Parliament from the constituency of Maiana Island in the central Kiribati group.
Educated in New Zealand and in England at the University of Canterbury and the London School of Economics respectively, President Tong holds a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Economics under his belt.
Since the beginning of his presidency, President Anote Tong has become a strong climate change advocate and has built worldwide awareness of the potentially devastating impacts of climate change.
He has stated on many occasions that Kiribati may cease to exist altogether and that its entire population may need to be resettled not as climate change refugees but as citizens who migrate on merit and with dignity.
With one of the lowest carbon-emission footprints in the world, Tong has often described Kiribati as a “frontline country” that has been among the first to experience dramatic climate change impacts.
As an extraordinary measure to set an example for the rest of the world, President Tong created the Phoenix Islands Protected Area, one of the largest marine protected areas in the world with a size of 408,250 square kilometers which was inscribed as a United Nations World Heritage site in 2008.
President Tong has won a number of awards and recognition that acknowledges his contribution and leadership on climate change and ocean conservation.
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