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Jeremy Forbes: How to start a conversation about suicide
Jeremy Forbes: Kako započeti razgovor o samoubojstvu
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Postoji li netko u vašim životima tko se bori s anksioznošću, depresijom ili suicidalnim mislima -- ali se previše srami pričati o tome? Jeremy Forbes uvidio je da se to događa oko njega i sada je na misiji da obuči ljude kako započeti razgovor o toj temi. U ovom vrlo osobnom govoru, Forbes dijeli svoj pristup kako pomoći grupi tradicionalno tihih ljudi u njegovoj zajednici da se otvore i progovore o svojim borbama. "Svi možemo biti čuvari života", kaže on.
Jeremy Forbes - Life preserver
Through his charity HALT, Jeremy Forbes aims to break through the stigma attached to mental health, raise awareness through education and empower men to open up conversations around mental health and suicide prevention. Full bio
Through his charity HALT, Jeremy Forbes aims to break through the stigma attached to mental health, raise awareness through education and empower men to open up conversations around mental health and suicide prevention. Full bio
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00:14
In 2013,
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2013. godine,
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I had a life-changing epiphany.
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doživio sam životno prosvjetljenje.
00:21
I was a painter and decorator
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Bio sam soboslikar i dekorater
00:23
in Castlemaine, a small
country town in central Victoria.
country town in central Victoria.
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u Castlemaineu, provincijskom
gradiću u središnjoj Viktoriji.
gradiću u središnjoj Viktoriji.
00:28
I'd gone to see Pete, who was renowned
for his workmanship with steel.
for his workmanship with steel.
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Otišao sam posjetiti Petea, koji je bio
poznat po umijeću rada s čelikom.
poznat po umijeću rada s čelikom.
00:33
I'd gone to his shed to get
some steel edging for the garden.
some steel edging for the garden.
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Posjetio sam njegovu radionu kako bih uzeo
malo čeličnog rubnjaka za vrt.
malo čeličnog rubnjaka za vrt.
00:38
This day, with hindsight,
which is a wonderful gift,
which is a wonderful gift,
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Tog dana, gledajući unatrag,
koji je bio predivan dar,
koji je bio predivan dar,
00:42
Pete seemed happier than usual.
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Pete se činio sretnijim nego inače.
00:46
Two weeks later,
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Dva tjedna kasnije,
00:48
I was painting a house
down the end of Pete's street
down the end of Pete's street
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ličio sam kuću na kraju Peteove ulice,
00:52
when I heard the tragic news.
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kada sam čuo tragičnu vijest.
00:56
Pete had suicided.
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Pete je izvršio samoubojstvo.
01:00
Pete, like myself,
was a tradie, or a tradesman.
was a tradie, or a tradesman.
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Kao i ja, Pete je bio majstor
iliti zanatlija.
iliti zanatlija.
01:05
We do like to shorten things
in the Australian vernacular.
in the Australian vernacular.
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Volimo skraćivati stvari
u australskom dijalektu.
u australskom dijalektu.
01:08
A tradie.
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Majstor.
01:09
There was an expectation as a tradie.
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Postoje očekivanja od majstora.
01:12
You're expected to be stoic.
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Od vas se očekuje da djelujete stoički.
01:15
You're expected to be strong,
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Da budete snažni,
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robust, macho.
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kršni, mačo.
01:19
You're expected to be tough physically
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Očekuje se da budete fizički snažni
01:22
and silent in the face of adversity.
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i mirni unatoč nedaćama.
01:26
There is a pronounced ripple effect
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Postoji određeni domino učinak
01:29
when someone suicides in your community.
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kada netko u vašoj zajednici
počini samoubojstvo.
počini samoubojstvo.
01:33
Pete's funeral was in July. It was winter.
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Peteov pogreb je bio u srpnju.
Bila je zima.
Bila je zima.
01:37
The mood was bleak and somber
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Raspoloženje u mjesnoj zajednici
01:39
in the packed community hall.
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bilo je turobno i mračno.
01:41
It was a grieving community
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Bila je to ožalošćena zajednica
01:44
who had no answers
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koja nije imale odgovore
01:47
to Pete's suicide,
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na Peteovo samoubojstvo,
01:50
no answers at all.
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nikakvih odgovora.
01:52
As I wandered around between the tradies
and the community members,
and the community members,
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Dok sam prolazio između majstora
i članova zajednice,
i članova zajednice,
01:57
I started hearing some tones
of another underlying tragic level.
of another underlying tragic level.
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načuo sam prikrivene i podjednako
tragične prizvuke.
tragične prizvuke.
02:03
I heard people talking
in that community hall
in that community hall
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Čuo sam kako ljudi u toj dvorani pričaju
02:08
about the struggles
other people were going through.
other people were going through.
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o poteškoćama kroz koje
prolaze i drugi ljudi.
prolaze i drugi ljudi.
02:12
The essence of the conversations
was contained in two words
was contained in two words
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Bit razgovora se sažela u tri riječi
02:17
that I heard several times:
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koje sam čuo nekoliko puta:
02:21
Who's next?
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Tko je sljedeći?
02:25
Who's next?
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Tko je sljedeći?
02:27
That was the epiphany.
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To je bilo prosvjetljenje.
02:29
That was the moment
where I was standing in a community hall
where I was standing in a community hall
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To je bio trenutak
u kojem sam stajao u dvorani,
u kojem sam stajao u dvorani,
02:33
in a place where
this Castlemaine community
this Castlemaine community
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na mjestu gdje mi je
ta zajednica Castlemainea
ta zajednica Castlemainea
02:36
had given me such support for 20 years,
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pružila toliko potpore tijekom 20 godina,
02:39
this community had backed my work,
I'd played footy there,
I'd played footy there,
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ta zajednica koja je podržala moj posao,
igrao sam nogomet tu,
igrao sam nogomet tu,
02:42
I'd done theater there,
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glumio u predstavama,
02:43
I was so grateful
for what they'd given me.
for what they'd given me.
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bio sam toliko zahvalan
za sve što su mi dali.
za sve što su mi dali.
02:46
But I was standing there in that space,
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No, stajao sam na tom mjestu,
02:48
and I was looking around
that hall as well,
that hall as well,
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osvrtao se po dvorani
02:51
and I could tell people in that hall
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i mogao sam prepoznati
ljude u toj dvorani
ljude u toj dvorani
02:54
who were struggling with alcohol,
drugs, finance, gambling,
drugs, finance, gambling,
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koji su se borili s alkoholom, drogom,
financijama, kockanjem,
financijama, kockanjem,
02:59
domestic abuse, bullying and harassment.
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obiteljskim nasiljem,
zlostavljanjem i uznemiravanjem.
zlostavljanjem i uznemiravanjem.
03:02
Yet because of my tradie culture
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No, zbog mog majstorskog odgoja
03:05
and that ignorant attitude
that we have in the tradie community,
that we have in the tradie community,
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i tog stava neupućenosti
koji je vladao zajednicom majstora,
koji je vladao zajednicom majstora,
03:09
I didn't feel confident at all.
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nisam se uopće osjećao pouzdanim.
03:13
I didn't have the tools.
I lacked the experience.
I lacked the experience.
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Nisam imao alate.
Nedostajalo mi je iskustva.
Nedostajalo mi je iskustva.
03:16
I didn't know what to do,
but I wanted to do something.
but I wanted to do something.
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Nisam znao što učiniti,
ali želio sam nešto napraviti.
ali želio sam nešto napraviti.
03:22
I left the wake.
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Napustio sam bdijenje.
Zagrlio sam nekoliko
prijatelja majstora i rekao:
prijatelja majstora i rekao:
03:23
I hugged a few tradie mates and said,
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03:26
"Please come and see me if you need to."
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"Molim vas, dođite k meni ako me trebate."
03:28
But I didn't know what to say
to them or what to tell them.
to them or what to tell them.
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Ali nisam znao što im reći ili ispričati.
Nisam imao pojma.
03:30
I had no idea.
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Dva tjedna poslije, nazvala me
Catherine Pilgrim, moja suradnica,
Catherine Pilgrim, moja suradnica,
03:32
I got a phone call two weeks later
from Catherine Pilgrim, my cofounder,
from Catherine Pilgrim, my cofounder,
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03:35
wanting to do something for the family.
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želeći učiniti nešto za obitelj.
03:37
We talked for a while and I said,
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Kratko smo pričali i rekao sam,
03:39
let's do something
for the tradie community.
for the tradie community.
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hajdemo nešto učiniti
za zajednicu majstora.
za zajednicu majstora.
03:41
We love our town, we're grateful,
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Volimo naš grad, zahvalni smo,
03:44
let's do something
for the tradie community.
for the tradie community.
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hajdemo nešto učiniti
za zajednicu majstora.
za zajednicu majstora.
03:46
So we talked a bit more.
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Tako smo još razgovarali.
03:47
What could we do?
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Što možemo učiniti?
03:48
An awareness-raising event. Awesome.
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Događanje posvećeno
jačanju svijesti. Odlično.
jačanju svijesti. Odlično.
03:53
We're talking about tradies.
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Govorimo o majstorima.
03:55
How do you get tradies somewhere?
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Kako negdje okupiti majstore?
03:58
Can you get them to a hospital? No.
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Možete li ih odvesti u bolnicu? Ne.
04:00
To a community health center? No.
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U dom zdravlja? Ne.
04:02
There's an ingrained culture
of being a tradie.
of being a tradie.
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Postoji ukorijenjena kultura
o tome tko je majstor.
o tome tko je majstor.
04:07
I thought, where is the perfect place
we can get the tradies together
we can get the tradies together
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Razmišljao sam, gdje je savršeno mjesto
na kojem se mogu okupiti majstori,
na kojem se mogu okupiti majstori,
04:12
where they feel socially included
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gdje se osjećaju društveno integrirani,
04:14
and they feel comfortable
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gdje se osjećaju ugodno
04:15
and they can share, they can open up
and talk about mental health
and talk about mental health
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i gdje mogu podijeliti svoja iskustva
i pričati o duševnom zdravlju
i pričati o duševnom zdravlju
04:19
in the building industry?
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u građevinskoj industriji?
04:20
Where can we have an event?
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Gdje možemo održati to događanje?
04:23
A hardware store.
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Željezara.
04:25
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
Da, tako sam i ja mislio.
Mislio sam da je jako domišljato.
Mislio sam da je jako domišljato.
04:26
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
I thought it was very clever.
I thought it was very clever.
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Preciznije, stovarište željezare.
04:29
More precisely, the timber yard
of a hardware store.
of a hardware store.
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04:32
So there we were. OK, we've got the venue.
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Dakle, tamo smo dobili prostor.
04:35
What else do we need?
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Što još trebamo?
04:36
What else do tradies love?
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Što još majstori vole?
04:40
Food.
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Hranu.
Svi je volimo, ali majstori
zbilja vole hranu.
zbilja vole hranu.
04:42
I know, we all do, but tradies love food.
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04:44
Tradies especially,
and I'm a tradie myself,
and I'm a tradie myself,
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Majstori pogotovo, a i sâm sam majstor,
04:46
we love egg and bacon rolls.
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volimo jela od jaja i slanine.
04:49
So we thought we'd supply
the tradies with egg and bacon rolls,
the tradies with egg and bacon rolls,
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Stoga smo riješili
da nabavimo to majstorima,
da nabavimo to majstorima,
04:52
and there was the slogan:
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a bio je i slogan:
04:54
save your bacon.
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spasi svoj život.
04:56
It's a bit corny, but it sort of works.
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Malo je otrcan, ali može proći.
04:59
And we also came up with a logo.
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Također smo smislili i logo.
05:03
"Hope Assistance Local Tradies."
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"Hope Assistance Local Tradies".
05:05
Keep in mind, "HALT," our charity,
had no money to begin,
had no money to begin,
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Imajte na umu, "HALT", naša dobrotvorna
udruga, nije imala uopće novca,
udruga, nije imala uopće novca,
05:11
nothing, not a single cent.
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ništa, niti jedan jedini cent.
05:13
We had conversations.
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Imali smo razgovore.
05:15
This is a community issue.
It starts in community.
It starts in community.
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To je problem zajednice.
Počinje u zajednici.
Počinje u zajednici.
05:18
So we went around to the butcher,
we went around to the baker,
we went around to the baker,
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Zato smo otišli do mesara, do pekara,
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there was no candlestick maker,
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nije bilo svjećara,
05:24
there was an egg place
and there was some chocolate,
and there was some chocolate,
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ali je bilo jaja, kao i nešto čokolade,
bilo je i kave i voća,
05:26
there was coffee, there was fruit,
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ali smo išli okolo i govorili:
05:28
but we went around and said,
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"Hej, održavamo događanje
posvećeno jačanju svijesti.
posvećeno jačanju svijesti.
05:29
"Hey, we're doing
this awareness-raising event.
this awareness-raising event.
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05:32
Do you want to contribute?
Because we haven't got any money."
Because we haven't got any money."
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Želite li mu pridonijeti?
Jer nemamo novaca."
Jer nemamo novaca."
05:35
Of course, nearly every person
we initiated the conversation with
we initiated the conversation with
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Naravno, gotovo svaka osoba
s kojom smo započeli razgovor,
s kojom smo započeli razgovor,
05:39
knew someone that had anxiety,
depression or thoughts of suicide
depression or thoughts of suicide
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znala je nekoga tko je anksiozan,
depresivan, suicidalan
depresivan, suicidalan
05:44
or had suicided.
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ili je počinio samoubojstvo.
05:45
There was that unity,
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Postojalo je to jedinstvo,
05:47
that whole of community approach.
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zbližavanje cijele zajednice.
Stoga smo mislili, to je odlično,
imamo nešto hrane.
imamo nešto hrane.
05:49
So we thought, that's great,
we've got some food.
we've got some food.
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05:52
What else do we need?
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Što još trebamo?
05:53
We need the support services there.
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Trebamo usluge podrške.
05:55
A lot of tradies,
and a lot of men in general,
and a lot of men in general,
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Puno majstora, općenito puno muškaraca,
05:58
don't necessarily know
where to go and get help.
where to go and get help.
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ne zna nužno gdje potražiti pomoć.
06:02
I myself was one of them,
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I ja sam bio jedan od njih,
06:04
and this is what I talk about
at the HALT events,
at the HALT events,
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a o tome pričam na HALT događanjima,
06:06
that four years ago when I founded HALT,
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da prije četiri godine,
kada sam osnovao HALT,
kada sam osnovao HALT,
06:08
I didn't know I could go to the doctor
about my mental health
about my mental health
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nisam znao da mogu posjetiti liječnika
i pričati o svom duševnom zdravlju
i pričati o svom duševnom zdravlju
i dobiti plan brige o duševnom zdravlju.
06:13
and get a mental health plan.
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06:14
I didn't know about community health.
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Nisam znao o pojmu zdravlja zajednice.
06:16
I certainly didn't know about Lifeline,
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I zasigurno nisam znao o Lifelineu,
06:18
and I've called Lifeline three times,
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i sâm sam nazvao Lifeline tri puta
06:21
and they've certainly
potentially saved my life.
potentially saved my life.
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i sigurno su mi potencijalno
spasili život.
spasili život.
06:25
I had to learn all these things.
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Morao sam naučiti sve te stvari.
06:26
Tradies need to know them.
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Majstori ih trebaju znati.
06:29
We provided bags,
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Osigurali smo im vrećice,
06:31
bags of information,
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vrećice s informacijama,
06:32
and I had quite a few tradies
say to me in the first year,
say to me in the first year,
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i puno mi je majstora u
prvoj godini govorilo:
prvoj godini govorilo:
06:36
"Aw, this is a load of you-know-what,"
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"Ovo je hrpa znaš-već-čega",
06:38
but those tradies I know
still have those bags in their Ute
still have those bags in their Ute
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ali ti majstori, znam, još uvijek imaju
te vrećice u svojim kamionetima
te vrećice u svojim kamionetima
06:42
or in their shed.
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ili u svojim radionicama.
06:43
On November 10, 2013,
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10. studenog 2013. godine,
06:46
we had our event,
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održali smo naše događanje,
06:48
and interestingly enough, when I talk
about a whole of community approach,
about a whole of community approach,
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zanimljivo je da, kada govorim
o zbližavanju cijele zajednice,
o zbližavanju cijele zajednice,
06:52
that was our first event
in Castlemaine at Tonks Brothers,
in Castlemaine at Tonks Brothers,
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to je bilo naše prvo događanje
u Castlemaineu kod braće Tonks,
u Castlemaineu kod braće Tonks,
06:55
and there's a whole of community there.
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a ondje je cijela zajednica.
06:58
There's counselors,
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Našli su se savjetnici,
06:59
there's people who have
gone through mental health.
gone through mental health.
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ljudi koji su iskusili
probleme duševnog zdravlja.
probleme duševnog zdravlja.
07:01
That first event set the scene.
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To prvo događanje je postavilo temelje.
07:04
Since then, we've had more events.
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Otada smo imali još događanja.
07:07
Interestingly enough,
it's not only tradies
it's not only tradies
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Zanimljivo je to da nisu samo majstori ti
07:10
that are affected by mental health
or anxiety or depression or suicide.
or anxiety or depression or suicide.
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kojima pati duševno zdravlje,
anksiozni su, depresivni ili suicidalni.
anksiozni su, depresivni ili suicidalni.
07:15
We started working with TAFEs.
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Počeli smo surađivati s TAFE-om.
07:17
We started working
in the farming industry,
in the farming industry,
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Počeli smo surađivati
s poljoprivrednom industrijom,
s poljoprivrednom industrijom,
07:19
at councils, at secondary colleges.
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vijećima, tehničkim školama.
07:22
We did events for the partners of tradies,
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Održavali smo događanja
za supružnike majstora,
za supružnike majstora,
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because often the tradies
would not go home to their partners
would not go home to their partners
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zato što često majstori
ne bi otišli kući svojim supružnicima
ne bi otišli kući svojim supružnicima
07:28
and say, "Guess what,
we talked about mental health,
we talked about mental health,
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i rekli: "Pogodi što, pričali smo
o duševnom zdravlju
o duševnom zdravlju
07:31
and we're going to do
this, this and this now."
this, this and this now."
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i učinit ćemo to, to i to sad".
Stoga smo održavali
događanja za supružnike
događanja za supružnike
07:33
So we're doing events for the partners,
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07:35
who themselves may need help.
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koji su i sami možda trebali pomoć.
07:38
TAFEs are very popular.
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TAFE-ovi su vrlo popularni.
07:40
For me, it's really crucial to get
to these young, vulnerable men and women.
to these young, vulnerable men and women.
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Za mene, veoma je bitno doprijeti do tih
mladih i osjetljivih mladića i djevojaka.
mladih i osjetljivih mladića i djevojaka.
07:44
We've done events for men's sheds,
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Održali smo događanja za Men's Sheds,
07:46
so the high rate of suicide
is really high for older men.
is really high for older men.
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jer je stopa samoubojstava izrazito
visoka kod starijih muškaraca.
visoka kod starijih muškaraca.
07:50
We've done events for council
depot workers and tradies.
depot workers and tradies.
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Održali smo događanja
za skladištare i majstore.
za skladištare i majstore.
07:54
Interestingly enough,
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Zanimljivo,
07:55
nearly every single event --
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skoro svako događanje --
07:57
and we've actually done now,
with very little funding,
with very little funding,
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a održali smo dosad,
s vrlo malo financijskih sredstava,
s vrlo malo financijskih sredstava,
08:00
150 events over four states.
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150 događanja u četiri države.
08:04
So -- oh please, thank you.
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Tako da -- molim vas, hvala.
08:06
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
08:11
And invariably at every single
HALT event at a hardware store,
HALT event at a hardware store,
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I uvijek na svakom
HALT događanju u željezari,
HALT događanju u željezari,
08:15
I have one tradie come up to me,
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prišao bi mi jedan majstor,
08:17
at least one come up and tell me
about his suicide attempt.
about his suicide attempt.
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barem jedan bi došao i ispričao mi
o svom pokušaju samoubojstva.
o svom pokušaju samoubojstva.
08:21
They're not suicidal there and then,
they've worked through it,
they've worked through it,
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Nisu suicidalni tu i tamo,
prolazili su kroz to,
prolazili su kroz to,
08:24
but these men have never felt
they could share their vulnerabilities.
they could share their vulnerabilities.
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ali ti muškarci nikada nisu osjećali
da mogu podijeliti svoju ranjivost,
da mogu podijeliti svoju ranjivost,
08:28
They've never felt they can
talk about their suicide attempt,
talk about their suicide attempt,
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da mogu razgovarati
o svojim pokušajima samoubojstva,
o svojim pokušajima samoubojstva,
08:31
but the HALT events,
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ali na HALT događanjima,
08:32
where there's no expectations
for them to talk,
for them to talk,
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gdje se od njih ne očekuje da pričaju,
08:35
makes them feel comfortable
to start talking.
to start talking.
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osjećali su se ugodno
započeti taj razgovor.
započeti taj razgovor.
08:39
And it's not just they talk
to me and tell me their story,
to me and tell me their story,
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I nije da samo govore meni
i pričaju mi svoju priču,
i pričaju mi svoju priču,
08:42
they actually now say,
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oni sada, zapravo, mogu reći:
08:44
"We feel comfortable enough
to talk with other men."
to talk with other men."
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"Osjećamo se dovoljno ugodno
pričati s drugim muškarcima."
pričati s drugim muškarcima."
08:48
I've had men stand up and say,
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Mnogi su ustali i rekli:
08:49
"I've never mentioned before
that I've had depression, but I have,
that I've had depression, but I have,
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"Nikada prije nisam spominjao da sam
bio u depresiji, ali bio sam
bio u depresiji, ali bio sam
08:53
and if anyone else here
wants to come and speak to me,
wants to come and speak to me,
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i ako itko ovdje želi doći
i razgovarati sa mnom,
i razgovarati sa mnom,
08:56
I'm hear to talk to you."
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ovdje sam za vas."
08:58
It's very empowering
and cathartic to do that.
and cathartic to do that.
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Vrlo je osnažujuće
i oslobađajuće učiniti to.
i oslobađajuće učiniti to.
09:02
We need a whole-of-community approach.
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Trebamo zbližiti cijelu zajednicu.
09:05
We give the tradies bags of information
from local and national support services.
from local and national support services.
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Majstorima dajemo informacije o
lokalnim i nacionalnim službama podrške.
lokalnim i nacionalnim službama podrške.
09:10
It's one of thing to tell a tradie
or someone at one of these events,
or someone at one of these events,
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Jedna je stvar reći majstoru ili nekome
na jednom od tih događanja:
na jednom od tih događanja:
09:14
"You should go here, here and here,"
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"Trebao bi otići tamo, tamo i tamo",
ali potrebno je da cijela zajednica
09:15
but we need the whole of community
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09:17
to wrap around the idea
of suicide prevention.
of suicide prevention.
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pojmi ideju o prevenciji samoubojstava.
09:20
We need those services,
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Trebamo te službe,
09:22
and suicide doesn't discriminate at all.
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jer samoubojstvo nikoga ne zaobilazi.
09:25
It's not a 9-to-5 thing.
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Nije to posao od 9 do 17 sati.
09:27
We need to do events before 9am,
which most of our brekkies are,
which most of our brekkies are,
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Moramo održati događanja prije 9 sati
ujutro, u vrijeme doručka,
ujutro, u vrijeme doručka,
09:31
and after 5 PM.
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ali i poslije 17 sati.
To je ono što trebamo učiniti.
To je približavanje cijele zajednice.
To je približavanje cijele zajednice.
09:34
That's what we need to do.
It's a whole-of-community approach.
It's a whole-of-community approach.
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09:37
We need to get into businesses.
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Moramo se ubaciti u različita poslovanja.
09:39
We need to get into
sporting clubs, community clubs.
sporting clubs, community clubs.
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Moramo doći u sportske klubove,
klubove zajednice.
klubove zajednice.
09:41
We need to get in there and train people
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Moramo doći tamo i obučiti ljude
09:45
to understand about mental health.
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da razumiju što je duševno zdravlje.
09:47
Here's some sobering statistics
just to give you an idea.
just to give you an idea.
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Evo i zabrinjavajuće statistike
kako biste stekli dojam.
kako biste stekli dojam.
09:51
In 2016,
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U 2016. godini,
09:52
in Australia, 2,866 suicides,
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u Australiji, 2866 samoubojstava,
09:58
very close to twice the road toll.
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vrlo blizu udvostručenju cestarine.
10:00
Globally, 800,000 a year
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Na svjetskoj razini, 800 000 samoubojstava
10:05
suicides in the world,
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godišnje u svijetu,
10:07
one every 40 seconds.
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jedno svakih 40 sekundi.
10:11
We need a whole-of-community approach.
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Trebamo približavanje cijele zajednice.
10:13
We need to feel comfortable
in opening up the conversations.
in opening up the conversations.
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Trebamo se osjećati ugodno
počevši otvoreno razgovarati.
počevši otvoreno razgovarati.
10:18
Men I know find it really difficult
to open up conversations.
to open up conversations.
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Muškarcima koje ja znam vrlo je teško
otvoriti se u razgovoru.
otvoriti se u razgovoru.
10:23
They certainly do.
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Itekako im je teško.
10:24
If you're going to open up
conversations, I tell the guys,
conversations, I tell the guys,
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Ako ćete se otvoriti u razgovoru,
kažem momcima,
kažem momcima,
10:27
you need to find a comfortable place
to open up and have a conversation,
to open up and have a conversation,
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morate pronaći ugodno mjesto
na kojem ćete razgovarati,
na kojem ćete razgovarati,
10:32
whether it's at the pub,
it's going for a walk,
it's going for a walk,
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bilo to u baru, u šetnji,
10:34
it's after footy.
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poslije nogometa.
10:35
Find that really comfortable place
to have the conversation.
to have the conversation.
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Pronađite to ugodno mjesto
na kojem ćete razgovarati.
na kojem ćete razgovarati.
10:40
Part of the ability
to have that conversation
to have that conversation
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Dio vještine vođenja razgovora
10:42
is to understand what to say.
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je razumjeti što reći.
10:44
We've all heard about, "Are you OK?"
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Svi smo čuli za "Jesi li u redu?"
10:46
And I've seen it. I've done this.
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I viđao sam to. Činio sam to.
10:48
"Are you OK?" "Yes." "Are you OK?" "Yes."
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"Jesi li u redu?" "Da."
"Jesi li u redu?" "Da."
"Jesi li u redu?" "Da."
10:51
"Are you OK?" "Yes." "Are you OK?" "No."
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"Jesi li u redu?" "Da".
"Jesi li u redu?" "Ne."
"Jesi li u redu?" "Ne."
10:55
What do I say now?
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Što da sada kažem?
10:57
What do I say?
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Što da kažem?
10:59
We need to equip every single person
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Moramo osposobiti svaku osobu
11:01
with the ability to come forth
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vještinom otvaranja
11:03
and be able to have that conversation.
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i vođenja tog razgovora.
11:06
We need to be able to listen.
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Moramo biti sposobni slušati.
11:09
I don't know who
out there is a good listener.
out there is a good listener.
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Ne znam tko je među vama dobar slušatelj.
11:11
I'm working on my listening abilities,
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Radim na svojim vještinama slušanja,
11:13
but it's an art form
to listen and not judge.
to listen and not judge.
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ali je umjetnost slušati i ne osuđivati.
11:17
Don't make fun. If someone's coming
to talk to you about mental illness
to talk to you about mental illness
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Ne šalite se. Ako vam netko priđe
i želi razgovarati o duševnoj bolesti
i želi razgovarati o duševnoj bolesti
11:20
and anxiety and depression
and thoughts of suicide,
and thoughts of suicide,
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i anksioznosti, depresiji,
suicidalnim mislima,
suicidalnim mislima,
11:24
we need to respect that.
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moramo to poštivati.
11:26
They want to trust us
that we're going to hold that in tight
that we're going to hold that in tight
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Žele nam vjerovati da ćemo to
zadržati za sebe
zadržati za sebe
11:30
and not tell everyone.
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i ne odati drugima.
11:32
We need to do that.
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Moramo to učiniti.
11:34
So we need to have conversations.
We need to listen.
We need to listen.
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Stoga trebamo razgovarati.
Trebamo slušati.
Trebamo slušati.
11:38
And we need to start reducing the stigma
associated with mental health.
associated with mental health.
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I moramo početi smanjivati stigmu
koja se povezuje s duševnim zdravljem.
koja se povezuje s duševnim zdravljem.
11:44
Companies are now starting
to have mental health days.
to have mental health days.
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Tvrtke su sada počele obilježavati
dane duševnog zdravlja.
dane duševnog zdravlja.
11:47
What a great idea.
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Kakva sjajna ideja.
11:48
It's not just physical sick days,
it's mental health days.
it's mental health days.
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Nisu samo dani fizičkog bolovanja,
već i duševnog zdravlja.
već i duševnog zdravlja.
11:51
Things are changing.
We can add to that change.
We can add to that change.
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Stvari se mijenjaju.
Možemo doprinijeti toj promjeni.
Možemo doprinijeti toj promjeni.
11:55
I'm a life preserver.
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Ja sam čuvar života.
11:57
I think we can all be life preservers.
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Mislim da svi možemo biti čuvari života.
12:02
The pain of regret
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Bol kajanja
12:05
is far greater than the pain of hard work.
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je daleko veća od boli napornog rada.
12:10
Thank you.
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Hvala.
12:11
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jeremy Forbes - Life preserverThrough his charity HALT, Jeremy Forbes aims to break through the stigma attached to mental health, raise awareness through education and empower men to open up conversations around mental health and suicide prevention.
Why you should listen
Jeremy Forbes is the co-founder of HALT (Hope Assistance Local Tradies), which aims to build the bridge between the tradespeople or "tradie" community and both local and national support services. HALT facilitates this through "Save Your Bacon" meetings in hardware stores, where tradies feel socially included and comfortable.
Forbes and his co-founder Catherine Pilgrim founded HALT in 2013 after the suicide of a local tradesman in the Castlemaine, Australia area. HALT has now held over 200 events across Australia, reaching over 10,000 tradies, apprentices and community members. HALT has now expanded and is reaching out to sporting clubs, farming communities, building and construction apprentices, miners, corporate organizations and private businesses with a powerful message of suicide prevention.
Forbes travels across Australia and the world to tell his story and encourage and empower men to open up and have the tough conversations, as well as giving them the awareness of where to go to access help or help a mate if they need help. He was awarded a Westpac Social Change Fellowship through the Westpac Bicentennial foundation in 2016 and traveled to London and Oxford to talk about HALT and discover what the Uk were doing in the suicide prevention field. HALT was awarded a state award by Worksafe Victoria for its innovative approach to mental health and suicide prevention.
Jeremy Forbes | Speaker | TED.com