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Jeremy Forbes: How to start a conversation about suicide
Džeremi Forbs (Jeremy Forbes): Kako započeti razgovor o samoubistvu
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Da li se neko u vašem životu suočava sa anskioznošću, depresijom ili mislima o samoubistvu, ali se suviše stidi da razgovara o tome? Džeremi Forbs video je oko sebe da se ovo dešava i sada je na misiji da nauči ljude kako da započnu razgovor o tome. U ovom duboko ličnom govoru, Forbs deli svoj pristup pomaganja grupi tradicionalno tihih muškaraca u svojoj zajednici da se otvore o svojim teškoćama. „Svi mi možemo čuvati živote“, kaže on.
Jeremy Forbes - Life preserver
Through his charity HALT, Jeremy Forbes aims to break through the stigma attached to mental health, raise awareness through education and empower men to open up conversations around mental health and suicide prevention. Full bio
Through his charity HALT, Jeremy Forbes aims to break through the stigma attached to mental health, raise awareness through education and empower men to open up conversations around mental health and suicide prevention. Full bio
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00:14
In 2013,
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Godine 2013,
00:17
I had a life-changing epiphany.
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jedno otkrovenje mi je promenilo život.
00:21
I was a painter and decorator
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Bio sam moler i dekorater
00:23
in Castlemaine, a small
country town in central Victoria.
country town in central Victoria.
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u Kaslmejnu, malom selu
u centralnoj Viktoriji.
u centralnoj Viktoriji.
00:28
I'd gone to see Pete, who was renowned
for his workmanship with steel.
for his workmanship with steel.
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Otišao sam do Pita, koji je bio poznat
po svojoj veštini sa čelikom.
po svojoj veštini sa čelikom.
00:33
I'd gone to his shed to get
some steel edging for the garden.
some steel edging for the garden.
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Otišao sam do njegove šupe
da uzmem ivičnjak za baštu.
da uzmem ivičnjak za baštu.
00:38
This day, with hindsight,
which is a wonderful gift,
which is a wonderful gift,
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Danas, kada pogledam unazad,
što je divan dar,
što je divan dar,
00:42
Pete seemed happier than usual.
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Pit je delovao srećnije nego inače.
00:46
Two weeks later,
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Dve nedelje kasnije,
00:48
I was painting a house
down the end of Pete's street
down the end of Pete's street
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krečio sam kuću na kraju Pitove ulice
00:52
when I heard the tragic news.
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kada sam čuo tragične vesti.
00:56
Pete had suicided.
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Pit je izvršio samoubistvo.
01:00
Pete, like myself,
was a tradie, or a tradesman.
was a tradie, or a tradesman.
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Pit je, kao i ja, bio trejdi ili trgovac.
01:05
We do like to shorten things
in the Australian vernacular.
in the Australian vernacular.
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Volimo da skraćujemo stvari
u australijanskom govoru.
u australijanskom govoru.
01:08
A tradie.
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Trejdi.
01:09
There was an expectation as a tradie.
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Postoje očekivanja kada si trejdi.
01:12
You're expected to be stoic.
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Očekuje se da si stoik.
01:15
You're expected to be strong,
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Očekuje se da si jak,
01:17
robust, macho.
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snažan, mačo.
01:19
You're expected to be tough physically
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Očekuje se da si fizički otporan
01:22
and silent in the face of adversity.
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i miran u jeku izazova.
01:26
There is a pronounced ripple effect
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Postoji jaka lančana reakcija
01:29
when someone suicides in your community.
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kada se neko iz vaše zajednice ubije.
01:33
Pete's funeral was in July. It was winter.
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Pitova sahrana je bila u julu.
Bila je zima.
Bila je zima.
01:37
The mood was bleak and somber
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Raspoloženje je bilo tmurno i tužno
01:39
in the packed community hall.
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u prepunoj mesnoj zajednici.
01:41
It was a grieving community
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Bila je to ožalošćena zajednica
01:44
who had no answers
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bez odgovora
01:47
to Pete's suicide,
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na Pitovo samoubistvo,
01:50
no answers at all.
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bez ikakvih odgovora.
01:52
As I wandered around between the tradies
and the community members,
and the community members,
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Dok sam tumarao okolo
među trejdijima i članovima zajednice,
među trejdijima i članovima zajednice,
01:57
I started hearing some tones
of another underlying tragic level.
of another underlying tragic level.
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počeo sam da čujem tonove
drugog skrivenog nivoa tragedije.
drugog skrivenog nivoa tragedije.
02:03
I heard people talking
in that community hall
in that community hall
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Čuo sam ljude kako u toj
mesnoj zajednici razgovaraju
mesnoj zajednici razgovaraju
02:08
about the struggles
other people were going through.
other people were going through.
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o teškoćama kroz koje su drugi prolazili.
02:12
The essence of the conversations
was contained in two words
was contained in two words
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Suština razgovora
bila je sadržana u tri reči
bila je sadržana u tri reči
02:17
that I heard several times:
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koje sam čuo nekoliko puta:
02:21
Who's next?
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ko je sledeći?
02:25
Who's next?
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Ko je sledeći?
02:27
That was the epiphany.
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To je bilo to otkrovenje.
02:29
That was the moment
where I was standing in a community hall
where I was standing in a community hall
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Bio je to trenutak u kom sam
stajao u mesnoj zajednici
stajao u mesnoj zajednici
02:33
in a place where
this Castlemaine community
this Castlemaine community
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na mestu gde me je ova zajednica Kaslmejna
02:36
had given me such support for 20 years,
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toliko podržavala tokom 20 godina,
02:39
this community had backed my work,
I'd played footy there,
I'd played footy there,
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ova zajednica je podržavala moj posao,
tu sam igrao australijski fudbal,
tu sam igrao australijski fudbal,
02:42
I'd done theater there,
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glumio u predstavama,
02:43
I was so grateful
for what they'd given me.
for what they'd given me.
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bio sam toliko zahvalan
na onome što su mi pružili.
na onome što su mi pružili.
02:46
But I was standing there in that space,
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Ali, stajao sam u tom prostoru
02:48
and I was looking around
that hall as well,
that hall as well,
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i gledao po toj mesnoj zajednici
02:51
and I could tell people in that hall
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i mogao sam prepoznati ljude u njoj
02:54
who were struggling with alcohol,
drugs, finance, gambling,
drugs, finance, gambling,
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koji su se borili sa alkoholom,
drogom, novcem, kockanjem,
drogom, novcem, kockanjem,
02:59
domestic abuse, bullying and harassment.
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porodičnim i vršnjačkim nasiljem
i uznemiravanjem.
i uznemiravanjem.
03:02
Yet because of my tradie culture
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A opet, zbog svoje kulture trejdija
03:05
and that ignorant attitude
that we have in the tradie community,
that we have in the tradie community,
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i tog zatucanog stava
koji imamo u zajednici trejdija,
koji imamo u zajednici trejdija,
03:09
I didn't feel confident at all.
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nisam se nimalo osećao samouverenim.
03:13
I didn't have the tools.
I lacked the experience.
I lacked the experience.
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Nisam imao sredstva.
Nedostajalo mi je iskustvo.
Nedostajalo mi je iskustvo.
03:16
I didn't know what to do,
but I wanted to do something.
but I wanted to do something.
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Nisam znao šta da uradim,
ali sam želeo da uradim nešto.
ali sam želeo da uradim nešto.
03:22
I left the wake.
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Napustio sam daću.
03:23
I hugged a few tradie mates and said,
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Zagrlio sam nekoliko
ortaka trejdija i rekao:
ortaka trejdija i rekao:
03:26
"Please come and see me if you need to."
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„Molim te, svrati do mene ako treba.“
03:28
But I didn't know what to say
to them or what to tell them.
to them or what to tell them.
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Ali, nisam znao šta da im kažem
ili da im ispričam.
ili da im ispričam.
Nisam imao pojma.
03:30
I had no idea.
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Dve nedelje kasnije nazvala me je
Ketrin Pilgrim, moj suosnivač,
Ketrin Pilgrim, moj suosnivač,
03:32
I got a phone call two weeks later
from Catherine Pilgrim, my cofounder,
from Catherine Pilgrim, my cofounder,
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03:35
wanting to do something for the family.
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koja je htela da uradi nešto za porodicu.
03:37
We talked for a while and I said,
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Malo smo razgovarali i rekao sam:
03:39
let's do something
for the tradie community.
for the tradie community.
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„Hajde da učinimo nešto
za zajednicu trejdija.
za zajednicu trejdija.
03:41
We love our town, we're grateful,
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Volimo naš grad, zahvalni smo,
03:44
let's do something
for the tradie community.
for the tradie community.
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učinimo nešto za zajednicu trejdija.“
03:46
So we talked a bit more.
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Još malo smo razgovarali.
03:47
What could we do?
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Šta bismo mogli uraditi?
03:48
An awareness-raising event. Awesome.
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Događaj za podizanje svesti. Strava.
03:53
We're talking about tradies.
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Pričamo o trejdijima.
03:55
How do you get tradies somewhere?
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Kako da trejdije dovedete negde?
03:58
Can you get them to a hospital? No.
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Možete li da ih dovedete u bolnicu? Ne.
04:00
To a community health center? No.
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U društveni dom zdravlja? Ne.
04:02
There's an ingrained culture
of being a tradie.
of being a tradie.
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Postoji ukorenjena kultura trejdija.
04:07
I thought, where is the perfect place
we can get the tradies together
we can get the tradies together
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Pomislio sam: „Koje mesto
je savršeno za okupljanje trejdija,
je savršeno za okupljanje trejdija,
04:12
where they feel socially included
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gde se osećaju društveno prihvaćenim
04:14
and they feel comfortable
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i gde se osećaju prijatno
04:15
and they can share, they can open up
and talk about mental health
and talk about mental health
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i mogu da dele, da se otvore
i razgovaraju o mentalnom zdravlju
i razgovaraju o mentalnom zdravlju
04:19
in the building industry?
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u građevinskoj industriji?“
04:20
Where can we have an event?
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Gde možemo da organizujemo događaj?
04:23
A hardware store.
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Prodavnica alata.
04:25
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:26
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
I thought it was very clever.
I thought it was very clever.
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Da, to sam i ja pomislio.
Pomislio sam da je veoma pametno.
Pomislio sam da je veoma pametno.
Preciznije, drvno stovarište
prodavnice alata.
prodavnice alata.
04:29
More precisely, the timber yard
of a hardware store.
of a hardware store.
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04:32
So there we were. OK, we've got the venue.
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Dakle, tu smo. Okej, imamo prostor.
04:35
What else do we need?
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Šta nam još treba?
04:36
What else do tradies love?
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Šta još vole trejdiji?
04:40
Food.
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Hranu.
04:42
I know, we all do, but tradies love food.
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Znam, i svi mi, ali trejdiji vole hranu.
04:44
Tradies especially,
and I'm a tradie myself,
and I'm a tradie myself,
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Trejdiji pogotovo, a i ja sam trejdi,
04:46
we love egg and bacon rolls.
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volimo rolnice jaja i slanine.
04:49
So we thought we'd supply
the tradies with egg and bacon rolls,
the tradies with egg and bacon rolls,
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Tako smo mislili da opskrbimo
trejdije rolnicama jaja i slanine,
trejdije rolnicama jaja i slanine,
04:52
and there was the slogan:
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i pojavio se slogan:
04:54
save your bacon.
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„Sačuvaj svoje salce.“
04:56
It's a bit corny, but it sort of works.
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Malo je izlizano,
ali nekako i funkcioniše.
ali nekako i funkcioniše.
04:59
And we also came up with a logo.
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A smislili smo i logo.
05:03
"Hope Assistance Local Tradies."
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„Nada i pomoć za lokalne trejdije“.
05:05
Keep in mind, "HALT," our charity,
had no money to begin,
had no money to begin,
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Imajte na umu, HALT, naša humanitarna
organizacija, nije imala novca da započne,
organizacija, nije imala novca da započne,
05:11
nothing, not a single cent.
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ništa, ni centa.
05:13
We had conversations.
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Razgovarali smo.
05:15
This is a community issue.
It starts in community.
It starts in community.
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Ovo je problem zajednice.
Počinje u zajednici.
Počinje u zajednici.
05:18
So we went around to the butcher,
we went around to the baker,
we went around to the baker,
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Zato smo otišli do mesara,
otišli smo do pekara,
otišli smo do pekara,
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there was no candlestick maker,
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nije postojao svećar,
05:24
there was an egg place
and there was some chocolate,
and there was some chocolate,
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postojalo je mesto sa jajima
i bilo je čokolade,
i bilo je čokolade,
bilo je kafe, voća,
05:26
there was coffee, there was fruit,
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ali obilazili smo ih i rekli:
05:28
but we went around and said,
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„Hej, organizujemo
događaj za podizanje svesti.
događaj za podizanje svesti.
05:29
"Hey, we're doing
this awareness-raising event.
this awareness-raising event.
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05:32
Do you want to contribute?
Because we haven't got any money."
Because we haven't got any money."
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Želite li da doprinesete?
Jer nemamo novca.“
Jer nemamo novca.“
05:35
Of course, nearly every person
we initiated the conversation with
we initiated the conversation with
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Naravno, gotovo svako
sa kime smo započeli razgovor
sa kime smo započeli razgovor
05:39
knew someone that had anxiety,
depression or thoughts of suicide
depression or thoughts of suicide
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znao je nekog ko ima anksioznost,
depresiju ili suicidalne misli
depresiju ili suicidalne misli
05:44
or had suicided.
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ili je izvršio samoubistvo.
05:45
There was that unity,
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Postojalo je to jedinstvo,
05:47
that whole of community approach.
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taj pristup čitave zajednice.
05:49
So we thought, that's great,
we've got some food.
we've got some food.
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Zato smo pomislili:
„To je super, imamo hranu.
„To je super, imamo hranu.
05:52
What else do we need?
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Šta nam još treba?
05:53
We need the support services there.
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Tamo nam trebaju usluge podrške.“
05:55
A lot of tradies,
and a lot of men in general,
and a lot of men in general,
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Mnogo trejdija i muškaraca generalno
05:58
don't necessarily know
where to go and get help.
where to go and get help.
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ne znaju nužno gde da odu i zatraže pomoć.
06:02
I myself was one of them,
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I sam sam bio jedan od njih,
06:04
and this is what I talk about
at the HALT events,
at the HALT events,
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i o tome pričam na HALT-ovim događajima,
06:06
that four years ago when I founded HALT,
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da pre četiri godine kada sam osnovao HALT
06:08
I didn't know I could go to the doctor
about my mental health
about my mental health
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nisam znao da mogu da odem kod doktora
zbog svog mentalnog zdravlja
zbog svog mentalnog zdravlja
06:13
and get a mental health plan.
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i da dobijem plan za njega.
06:14
I didn't know about community health.
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Nisam znao za javnu zdravstvenu zaštitu.
06:16
I certainly didn't know about Lifeline,
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Svakako nisam znao za Lajflajn,
06:18
and I've called Lifeline three times,
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a zvao sam Lajflajn tri puta
06:21
and they've certainly
potentially saved my life.
potentially saved my life.
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i bez sumnje su mi
potencijalno spasili život.
potencijalno spasili život.
06:25
I had to learn all these things.
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Ove stvari sam morao da naučim.
06:26
Tradies need to know them.
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Trejdiji moraju da ih znaju.
06:29
We provided bags,
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Obezbedili smo vreće,
06:31
bags of information,
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vreće sa informacijama,
06:32
and I had quite a few tradies
say to me in the first year,
say to me in the first year,
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i nemali broj trejdija
mi je rekao u prvoj godini:
mi je rekao u prvoj godini:
06:36
"Aw, this is a load of you-know-what,"
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„Au, ovo je gomila znaš-već-čega“,
06:38
but those tradies I know
still have those bags in their Ute
still have those bags in their Ute
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ali ti trejdiji koje znam
i dalje imaju te vreće u kamionu
i dalje imaju te vreće u kamionu
06:42
or in their shed.
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ili u šupi.
06:43
On November 10, 2013,
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Desetog novembra 2013. godine,
06:46
we had our event,
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održali smo okupljanje,
06:48
and interestingly enough, when I talk
about a whole of community approach,
about a whole of community approach,
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i da stvar bude zanimljivija,
kada pričam o pristupu čitave zajednice,
kada pričam o pristupu čitave zajednice,
06:52
that was our first event
in Castlemaine at Tonks Brothers,
in Castlemaine at Tonks Brothers,
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to je bio naš prvi događaj
u Kaslmejnu kod Braće Tonks,
u Kaslmejnu kod Braće Tonks,
06:55
and there's a whole of community there.
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a postoji cela jedna zajednica tamo.
06:58
There's counselors,
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Tu su savetnici,
06:59
there's people who have
gone through mental health.
gone through mental health.
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ljudi koji su se bavili
mentalnim zdravljem.
mentalnim zdravljem.
Taj prvi događaj je udario temelje.
07:01
That first event set the scene.
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07:04
Since then, we've had more events.
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Od tada smo imali još događaja.
07:07
Interestingly enough,
it's not only tradies
it's not only tradies
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Zanimljivo je da nisu samo trejdiji
07:10
that are affected by mental health
or anxiety or depression or suicide.
or anxiety or depression or suicide.
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pogođeni mentalnim zdravljem,
anksioznošću, depresijom ili samoubistvom.
anksioznošću, depresijom ili samoubistvom.
07:15
We started working with TAFEs.
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Počeli smo da radimo sa visokim školama.
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We started working
in the farming industry,
in the farming industry,
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Počeli smo da radimo
u poljoprivrednoj industriji,
u poljoprivrednoj industriji,
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at councils, at secondary colleges.
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u odborima, srednjim školama.
07:22
We did events for the partners of tradies,
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Pravili smo događaje za partnere trejdija,
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because often the tradies
would not go home to their partners
would not go home to their partners
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jer se često trejdiji
ne bi vratili kući partnerima
ne bi vratili kući partnerima
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and say, "Guess what,
we talked about mental health,
we talked about mental health,
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i rekli: „Znaš šta, pričali smo
o mentalnom zdravlju
o mentalnom zdravlju
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and we're going to do
this, this and this now."
this, this and this now."
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i sada ćemo da uradimo to, to i to.“
07:33
So we're doing events for the partners,
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Dakle, pravimo događaje za partnere,
07:35
who themselves may need help.
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kojima takođe možda treba pomoć.
07:38
TAFEs are very popular.
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Više škole su vrlo popularne.
07:40
For me, it's really crucial to get
to these young, vulnerable men and women.
to these young, vulnerable men and women.
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Po mom mišljenju, ključno je dopreti
do ovih mladih, ranjivih
momaka i devojaka.
momaka i devojaka.
Organizovali smo događaje
za muške sigurne kuće,
za muške sigurne kuće,
07:44
We've done events for men's sheds,
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so the high rate of suicide
is really high for older men.
is really high for older men.
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jer je stopa samoubistava
zaista visoka kod starijih muškaraca.
zaista visoka kod starijih muškaraca.
07:50
We've done events for council
depot workers and tradies.
depot workers and tradies.
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Organizovali smo događaje
za radnike depoa veća i trejdije.
za radnike depoa veća i trejdije.
07:54
Interestingly enough,
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Zanimljivo,
07:55
nearly every single event --
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gotovo svaki događaj -
07:57
and we've actually done now,
with very little funding,
with very little funding,
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a do sada smo zapravo imali,
sa veoma malo finansiranja,
sa veoma malo finansiranja,
08:00
150 events over four states.
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150 događaja u četiri države.
08:04
So -- oh please, thank you.
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Tako da - o, molim vas, hvala.
08:06
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08:11
And invariably at every single
HALT event at a hardware store,
HALT event at a hardware store,
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I bez izuzetka na svakom
HALT-ovom događaju u prodavnici alata,
HALT-ovom događaju u prodavnici alata,
08:15
I have one tradie come up to me,
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jedan trejdi mi priđe,
08:17
at least one come up and tell me
about his suicide attempt.
about his suicide attempt.
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minimum jedan mi priđe i ispriča mi
o svom pokušaju samoubistva.
o svom pokušaju samoubistva.
08:21
They're not suicidal there and then,
they've worked through it,
they've worked through it,
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Nisu suicidalni tada i tamo,
prebrodili su to,
prebrodili su to,
08:24
but these men have never felt
they could share their vulnerabilities.
they could share their vulnerabilities.
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ali ti muškarci nikada nisu osećali
da mogu da podele svoju ranjivost.
da mogu da podele svoju ranjivost.
08:28
They've never felt they can
talk about their suicide attempt,
talk about their suicide attempt,
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Nikada nisu osećali da mogu
da pričaju o pokušaju samoubistva,
da pričaju o pokušaju samoubistva,
08:31
but the HALT events,
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ali HALT-ovi događaji,
08:32
where there's no expectations
for them to talk,
for them to talk,
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gde se od njih ne očekuje da pričaju,
08:35
makes them feel comfortable
to start talking.
to start talking.
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čine da se osećaju bezbedno da počnu.
08:39
And it's not just they talk
to me and tell me their story,
to me and tell me their story,
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I nije to da mi oni
samo ispričaju svoju priču;
samo ispričaju svoju priču;
08:42
they actually now say,
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oni sada zapravo izgovore:
08:44
"We feel comfortable enough
to talk with other men."
to talk with other men."
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„Osećamo se dovoljno opušteno
da razgovaramo sa drugim muškarcima.“
da razgovaramo sa drugim muškarcima.“
08:48
I've had men stand up and say,
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Muškarci nekad ustanu i kažu:
08:49
"I've never mentioned before
that I've had depression, but I have,
that I've had depression, but I have,
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„Nikada ranije nisam spomenuo
da sam depresivan, ali jesam,
da sam depresivan, ali jesam,
08:53
and if anyone else here
wants to come and speak to me,
wants to come and speak to me,
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i ako još neko ovde želi da mi se obrati,
08:56
I'm hear to talk to you."
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tu sam da razgovaramo.“
08:58
It's very empowering
and cathartic to do that.
and cathartic to do that.
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Vrlo je osnažujuće
i katartično uraditi to.
i katartično uraditi to.
09:02
We need a whole-of-community approach.
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Potreban nam je pristup cele zajednice.
09:05
We give the tradies bags of information
from local and national support services.
from local and national support services.
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Trejdijima dajemo kese sa informacijama
od lokalnih i nacionalnih službi podrške.
od lokalnih i nacionalnih službi podrške.
09:10
It's one of thing to tell a tradie
or someone at one of these events,
or someone at one of these events,
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Jedno je reći trejdiju ili nekome
na jednom od ovih događaja:
na jednom od ovih događaja:
„Trebalo bi da odeš tamo i tamo“,
09:14
"You should go here, here and here,"
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već nam treba da čitava zajednica
09:15
but we need the whole of community
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09:17
to wrap around the idea
of suicide prevention.
of suicide prevention.
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razume ideju prevencije samoubistva.
09:20
We need those services,
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Potrebne su nam te usluge,
09:22
and suicide doesn't discriminate at all.
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a samoubistvo uopšte ne bira.
09:25
It's not a 9-to-5 thing.
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Nije to stvar od devet do pet.
09:27
We need to do events before 9am,
which most of our brekkies are,
which most of our brekkies are,
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Trebaju nam događaji pre devet ujutru,
što je vreme kada većina nas doručkuje,
što je vreme kada većina nas doručkuje,
09:31
and after 5 PM.
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i posle pet popodne.
09:34
That's what we need to do.
It's a whole-of-community approach.
It's a whole-of-community approach.
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To moramo da uradimo.
To je pristup čitave zajednice.
To je pristup čitave zajednice.
09:37
We need to get into businesses.
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Treba da dopremo do kompanija.
09:39
We need to get into
sporting clubs, community clubs.
sporting clubs, community clubs.
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Treba da dopremo do sportskih klubova,
klubova zajednice.
09:41
We need to get in there and train people
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Treba da odemo tamo i obučimo ljude
09:45
to understand about mental health.
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da razumeju mentalno zdravlje.
09:47
Here's some sobering statistics
just to give you an idea.
just to give you an idea.
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Evo nekoliko otrežnjujućih činjenica
da biste stekli sliku.
da biste stekli sliku.
09:51
In 2016,
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U 2016. godini,
09:52
in Australia, 2,866 suicides,
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u Australiji, 2 866 samoubistava,
09:58
very close to twice the road toll.
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gotovo duplo od smrti u saobraćaju.
10:00
Globally, 800,000 a year
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Globalno, 800 hiljada samoubistava
godišnje u svetu,
10:05
suicides in the world,
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10:07
one every 40 seconds.
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jedno svakih 40 sekundi.
10:11
We need a whole-of-community approach.
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Potreban nam je pristup čitave zajednice.
10:13
We need to feel comfortable
in opening up the conversations.
in opening up the conversations.
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Treba da se osećamo slobodnim
da započnemo razgovor.
da započnemo razgovor.
10:18
Men I know find it really difficult
to open up conversations.
to open up conversations.
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Znam da je muškarcima to pogotovo teško.
10:23
They certainly do.
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Zaista jeste.
10:24
If you're going to open up
conversations, I tell the guys,
conversations, I tell the guys,
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Ako ćete započeti razgovore,
kažem momcima:
kažem momcima:
10:27
you need to find a comfortable place
to open up and have a conversation,
to open up and have a conversation,
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„Morate naći opušteno mesto
da se otvorite i razgovarate,
da se otvorite i razgovarate,
10:32
whether it's at the pub,
it's going for a walk,
it's going for a walk,
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bilo u pabu, u šetnji,
10:34
it's after footy.
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posle fudbala.
10:35
Find that really comfortable place
to have the conversation.
to have the conversation.
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Nađite to zaista prijatno
mesto za razgovor.“
mesto za razgovor.“
10:40
Part of the ability
to have that conversation
to have that conversation
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Deo mogućnosti da razgovarate
10:42
is to understand what to say.
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je da shvatite šta reći.
10:44
We've all heard about, "Are you OK?"
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Svi smo čuli za: „Da li si okej?“
10:46
And I've seen it. I've done this.
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I video sam to. Radio sam to.
10:48
"Are you OK?" "Yes." "Are you OK?" "Yes."
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„Da li si okej?“ „Da.“
„Da li si okej?“ „Da.“
„Da li si okej?“ „Da.“
10:51
"Are you OK?" "Yes." "Are you OK?" "No."
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„Da li si okej?“ „Da.“
„Da li si okej?“ „Ne.“
„Da li si okej?“ „Ne.“
10:55
What do I say now?
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Šta sad da kažem?
10:57
What do I say?
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Šta da kažem?
10:59
We need to equip every single person
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Moramo osposobiti baš svakoga
11:01
with the ability to come forth
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da može da istupi
11:03
and be able to have that conversation.
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i bude sposoban da vodi taj razgovor.
11:06
We need to be able to listen.
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Moramo biti sposobni da saslušamo.
11:09
I don't know who
out there is a good listener.
out there is a good listener.
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Ne znam ko je od vas dobar u slušanju.
11:11
I'm working on my listening abilities,
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Ja radim na svojim veštinama slušanja,
11:13
but it's an art form
to listen and not judge.
to listen and not judge.
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ali prava je umetnost slušati bez osude.
11:17
Don't make fun. If someone's coming
to talk to you about mental illness
to talk to you about mental illness
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Nemojte ismevati.
Ako neko dođe da sa vama
razgovara o mentalnim bolestima,
razgovara o mentalnim bolestima,
11:20
and anxiety and depression
and thoughts of suicide,
and thoughts of suicide,
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ansksioznosti, depresiji
i mislima o samoubistvu,
i mislima o samoubistvu,
11:24
we need to respect that.
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moramo to da poštujemo.
11:26
They want to trust us
that we're going to hold that in tight
that we're going to hold that in tight
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Žele da nam veruju
da ćemo to zadržati za sebe
da ćemo to zadržati za sebe
11:30
and not tell everyone.
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i nećemo svima ispričati.
11:32
We need to do that.
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Moramo to da uradimo.
11:34
So we need to have conversations.
We need to listen.
We need to listen.
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Dakle, moramo da razgovaramo.
Moramo da slušamo.
Moramo da slušamo.
11:38
And we need to start reducing the stigma
associated with mental health.
associated with mental health.
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I moramo da počnemo da smanjujemo stigmu
u vezi sa mentalnim zdravljem.
u vezi sa mentalnim zdravljem.
11:44
Companies are now starting
to have mental health days.
to have mental health days.
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Kompanije sada počinju da imaju
dane mentalnog zdravlja.
dane mentalnog zdravlja.
11:47
What a great idea.
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Kakva sjajna ideja.
11:48
It's not just physical sick days,
it's mental health days.
it's mental health days.
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Nema samo običnog bolovanja,
već dana mentalnog zdravlja.
već dana mentalnog zdravlja.
11:51
Things are changing.
We can add to that change.
We can add to that change.
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Stvari se menjaju.
Možemo doprineti tim promenama.
Možemo doprineti tim promenama.
11:55
I'm a life preserver.
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Ja čuvam život.
11:57
I think we can all be life preservers.
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Mislim da svi možemo da ih čuvamo.
12:02
The pain of regret
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Bol kajanja
12:05
is far greater than the pain of hard work.
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je daleko veći od bola napornog rada.
12:10
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
12:11
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jeremy Forbes - Life preserverThrough his charity HALT, Jeremy Forbes aims to break through the stigma attached to mental health, raise awareness through education and empower men to open up conversations around mental health and suicide prevention.
Why you should listen
Jeremy Forbes is the co-founder of HALT (Hope Assistance Local Tradies), which aims to build the bridge between the tradespeople or "tradie" community and both local and national support services. HALT facilitates this through "Save Your Bacon" meetings in hardware stores, where tradies feel socially included and comfortable.
Forbes and his co-founder Catherine Pilgrim founded HALT in 2013 after the suicide of a local tradesman in the Castlemaine, Australia area. HALT has now held over 200 events across Australia, reaching over 10,000 tradies, apprentices and community members. HALT has now expanded and is reaching out to sporting clubs, farming communities, building and construction apprentices, miners, corporate organizations and private businesses with a powerful message of suicide prevention.
Forbes travels across Australia and the world to tell his story and encourage and empower men to open up and have the tough conversations, as well as giving them the awareness of where to go to access help or help a mate if they need help. He was awarded a Westpac Social Change Fellowship through the Westpac Bicentennial foundation in 2016 and traveled to London and Oxford to talk about HALT and discover what the Uk were doing in the suicide prevention field. HALT was awarded a state award by Worksafe Victoria for its innovative approach to mental health and suicide prevention.
Jeremy Forbes | Speaker | TED.com