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Victoria Pratt: How judges can show respect
Victoria Pratt: Kako suci mogu pokazati poštovanje
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U sudnicama širom svijeta, kako možemo osigurati da se prema svima odnosimo s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem? Vodeća sutkinja u New Jerseyju, Victoria Pratt dijeli svoja načela "Proceduralne pravde" - četiri jednostavna, promišljena koraka koja redefiniraju svakodnevni posao u njenoj sudnici u Newarku, usput mijenjajući živote. "Kad se sud ponaša drugačije, naravno da ljudi reagiraju drugačije", kaže Pratt. "Želimo da ljudi uđu u naše sudnice.. i znaju da će tamo pravda biti zadovoljena."
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Judge Victoria Pratt is inspiring a global revolution in criminal justice. Full bio
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"Judge, I want to tell you something.
I want to tell you something.
I want to tell you something.
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"Sutkinjo, želim Vam nešto reći.
Želim Vam nešto reći.
Želim Vam nešto reći.
00:16
I been watching you
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Promatrala sam vas
00:18
and you're not two-faced.
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i niste dvolični.
00:20
You treat everybody the same."
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Prema svima ste jednaki."
00:23
That was said to me
by a transgender prostitute
by a transgender prostitute
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To mi je rekla transrodna prostitutka
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who before I had gotten on the bench
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koja je prije nego što sam došla
na mjesto suca,
na mjesto suca,
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had fired her public defender,
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otpustila svog javnog branitelja,
00:31
insulted the court officer
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uvrijedila sudskog službenika
00:33
and yelled at the person
sitting next to her,
sitting next to her,
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i vikala na osobu pored sebe,
00:36
"I don't know what you're looking at.
I look better than the girl you're with."
I look better than the girl you're with."
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"Ne znam što ti gledaš.
Izgledam bolje od cure s kojom si."
Izgledam bolje od cure s kojom si."
00:39
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
00:41
She said this to me
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To mi je rekla
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after I said her male name low enough
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nakon što sam njeno muško ime
izgovorila dovoljno tiho
izgovorila dovoljno tiho
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so that it could
be picked up by the record,
be picked up by the record,
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da ga čuje zapisničar,
00:49
but I said her female name loud enough
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ali njeno žensko ime dovoljno glasno
00:51
so that she could walk down the aisle
towards counselor's table with dignity.
towards counselor's table with dignity.
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da dođe niz prolaz prema
savjetnikovom stolu dostojanstveno.
savjetnikovom stolu dostojanstveno.
00:56
This is procedural justice,
also known as procedural fairness,
also known as procedural fairness,
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To je proceduralna pravda,
poznata kao proceduralna pravičnost
poznata kao proceduralna pravičnost
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at its best.
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u najboljem izdanju.
01:01
You see, I am the daughter
of an African-American garbageman
of an African-American garbageman
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Vidite, ja sam kći
afričko-američkog smetlara
afričko-američkog smetlara
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who was born in Harlem
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koji se rodio u Harlemu
01:06
and spent his summers
in the segregated South.
in the segregated South.
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i provodio ljeta
na rasno podijeljenom Jugu.
na rasno podijeljenom Jugu.
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Soy la hija de una peluquera dominicana.
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Ja sam kći dominikanske frizerke.
01:12
I do that to make sure
you're still paying attention.
you're still paying attention.
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Samo provjeravam da
još uvijek pažljivo slušate.
još uvijek pažljivo slušate.
01:14
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
01:16
I'm the daughter of a Dominican beautician
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Ja sam kći dominikanske kozmetičarke
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who came to this country
for a better life for her unborn children.
for a better life for her unborn children.
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koja je došla u ovu zemlju
za boljim životom za svoju nerođenu djecu.
za boljim životom za svoju nerođenu djecu.
01:22
My parents taught me, you treat everyone
you meet with dignity and respect,
you meet with dignity and respect,
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Roditelji su me učili: prema svima se
odnosi s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem
odnosi s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem
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no matter how they look,
no matter how they dress,
no matter how they dress,
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kako god da izgledaju,
kako god se oblačili,
kako god se oblačili,
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no matter how they spoke.
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kako god govorili.
01:31
You see, the principles of fairness
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Vidite, načela pravednosti
01:33
were taught to me at an early age,
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sam naučila u ranoj dobi,
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and unbeknownst to me,
it would be the most important lesson
it would be the most important lesson
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i nisam bila svjesna
da će to biti najvažnija lekcija
da će to biti najvažnija lekcija
01:40
that I carried with me
to the Newark Municipal Court bench.
to the Newark Municipal Court bench.
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koju ću ponijeti sa sobom na mjesto
sutkinje općinskog suda u Newarku.
sutkinje općinskog suda u Newarku.
01:44
And because I was dragged
off the playground
off the playground
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A zato što su me odvlačili
s igrališta
s igrališta
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at the early age of 10
to translate for family members
to translate for family members
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u dobi od 10 godina
da prevodim članovima obitelji
da prevodim članovima obitelji
01:51
as they began to migrate
to the United States,
to the United States,
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kad su počinjali migrirati
u Sjedinjene Američke Države,
u Sjedinjene Američke Države,
01:54
I understand how daunting it can be
for a person, a novice,
for a person, a novice,
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razumijem kako zastrašujuće može biti
za osobu, početnika,
za osobu, početnika,
01:59
to navigate any government system.
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snalaženje u bilo kojem pravnom sustavu.
02:02
Every day across America
and around the globe,
and around the globe,
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Svaki dan diljem Amerike,
i širom svijeta,
i širom svijeta,
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people encounter our courts,
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ljudi susreću naše sudove,
02:08
and it is a place
that is foreign, intimidating
that is foreign, intimidating
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i to je jedno
strano mjesto, zastrašujuće
strano mjesto, zastrašujuće
02:11
and often hostile towards them.
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i često neprijateljski nastrojeno
prema njima.
prema njima.
02:15
They are confused
about the nature of their charges,
about the nature of their charges,
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Njih zbunjuje priroda njihovih optužbi,
02:19
annoyed about their encounters
with the police
with the police
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uznemiravaju ih susreti s policijom
02:22
and facing consequences that might impact
their relationships, their finances
their relationships, their finances
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i suočeni su s posljedicama koje bi mogle
utjecati na njihove odnose, financije
utjecati na njihove odnose, financije
02:27
and even their liberty.
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i čak slobodu.
02:29
Let me paint a picture for you
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Dopustite mi da vam dočaram
02:30
of what it's like for the average person
who encounters our courts.
who encounters our courts.
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kako je prosječnoj osobi
koja se susreće s našim sudovima.
koja se susreće s našim sudovima.
02:35
First, they're annoyed as they're probed
going through court security.
going through court security.
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Prvo ih uznemiravaju kad ih pretražuju
dok prolaze kroz osiguranje suda.
dok prolaze kroz osiguranje suda.
02:40
They finally get through court security,
they walk around the building,
they walk around the building,
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Napokon prođu osiguranje,
hodaju po zgradi,
hodaju po zgradi,
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they ask different people
the same question
the same question
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pitaju različite ljude isto pitanje,
02:46
and get different answers.
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a dobiju različite odgovore.
02:49
When they finally get
to where they're supposed to be,
to where they're supposed to be,
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Kad napokon stignu
na mjesto gdje trebaju biti,
na mjesto gdje trebaju biti,
02:51
it gets really bad
when they encounter the courts.
when they encounter the courts.
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postane jako loše kad
se sukobe sa sudstvom.
se sukobe sa sudstvom.
02:55
What would you think if I told you
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Što biste pomislili kad vam kažem
02:56
that you could improve
people's court experience,
people's court experience,
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da možete poboljšati
iskustvo ljudi sa sudom,
iskustvo ljudi sa sudom,
03:00
increase their compliance with the law
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povećati njihovo pridržavanje zakona
03:03
and court orders,
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i sudskih odredbi,
03:05
all the while increasing
the public's trust
the public's trust
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i istovremeno povećati
povjerenje ljudi
povjerenje ljudi
03:08
in the justice system
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u pravosudni sustav
03:09
with a simple idea?
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jednostavnom idejom?
03:11
Well, that simple idea
is procedural justice
is procedural justice
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Pa, ta jednostavna ideja je
proceduralna pravda
proceduralna pravda
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and it's a concept that says
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i to je koncept koji kaže
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that if people perceive
they are treated fairly
they are treated fairly
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da ako ljudi uočavaju da se
prema njima ophode pošteno
prema njima ophode pošteno
03:20
and with dignity and respect,
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s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem,
03:22
they'll obey the law.
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poštovat će zakon.
03:24
Well, that's what
Yale professor Tom Tyler found
Yale professor Tom Tyler found
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Pa, to je profesor s Yalea
Tom Tyler otkrio
Tom Tyler otkrio
03:27
when he began to study
as far back in the '70s
as far back in the '70s
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kad je počeo proučavati
još dalekih 70-ih
još dalekih 70-ih
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why people obey the law.
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zašto ljudi poštuju zakon.
03:33
He found that if people
see the justice system
see the justice system
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Otkrio je da ako ljudi
vide pravosudni sustav
vide pravosudni sustav
03:35
as a legitimate authority
to impose rules and regulations,
to impose rules and regulations,
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kao legitiman autoritet
koji postavlja pravila i propise
koji postavlja pravila i propise
03:40
they would follow them.
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oni će ih slijediti.
03:41
His research concluded
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Njegovo istraživanje je pokazalo
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that people would be satisfied
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da će ljudi biti zadovoljni
03:47
with the judge's rulings,
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sa sučevom presudom,
03:49
even when the judge ruled against them,
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čak i kad presudi protiv njih,
03:51
if they perceived
that they were treated fairly
that they were treated fairly
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ako su uvidjeli da su se
prema njima ophodili pravedno
prema njima ophodili pravedno
03:53
and with dignity and respect.
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i s dostojanstvom i poštenjem.
03:56
And that perception of fairness
begins with what?
begins with what?
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A čime počinje percepcija pravednosti?
03:59
Begins with how judges speak
to court participants.
to court participants.
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Počinje time kako sudac govori
sudionicima suda.
sudionicima suda.
04:04
Now, being a judge
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Sada, biti sudac
04:06
is sometimes like having
a reserve seat to a tragic reality show
a reserve seat to a tragic reality show
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je ponekad kao da
gledate loš reality show
gledate loš reality show
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that has no commercial interruptions
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koji nema promidžbenih poruka
04:14
and no season finale.
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i kapet kraj.
04:17
It's true.
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Istina je.
04:18
People come before me handcuffed,
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Ljudi dođu pred mene u lisičinama,
04:21
drug-sick, depressed, hungry
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drogirani, depresivni, gladni
04:24
and mentally ill.
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i mentalno bolesni.
04:28
When I saw that their need for help
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Kad sam vidjela da je njihova
potreba za pomoći
potreba za pomoći
04:31
was greater than my fear
of appearing vulnerable on the bench,
of appearing vulnerable on the bench,
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veća od mog straha da se pokažem
ranjivom u sudnici,
ranjivom u sudnici,
04:35
I realized that not only
did I need to do something,
did I need to do something,
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shvatila sam da
ne samo da moram nešto učiniti,
ne samo da moram nešto učiniti,
04:38
but that in fact I could do something.
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nego da zapravo i mogu nešto učiniti.
04:41
The good news is is that the principles
of procedural justice are easy
of procedural justice are easy
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Dobra vijest je da su načela
proceduralne pravde jednostavna
proceduralne pravde jednostavna
04:45
and can be implemented
as quickly as tomorrow.
as quickly as tomorrow.
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i mogu se primijeniti već sutra.
04:48
The even better news,
that it can be done for free.
that it can be done for free.
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Još bolja vijest je da se
to može besplatno.
to može besplatno.
04:50
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
04:51
The first principle is voice.
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Prvo načelo je glas.
04:53
Give people an opportunity to speak,
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Dati ljudima priliku da govore,
04:55
even when you're
not going to let them speak.
not going to let them speak.
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čak i kad im nećete dati da govore.
04:58
Explain it.
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Objasnite im.
04:59
"Sir, I'm not letting you speak right now.
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"Gospodine, neću Vam dopustiti
da govorite sada.
da govorite sada.
05:01
You don't have an attorney.
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Nemate odvjetnika.
05:03
I don't want you to say anything
that's going to hurt your case."
that's going to hurt your case."
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Ne želim da kažete nešto
što će naštetiti Vašem slučaju."
što će naštetiti Vašem slučaju."
05:06
For me, assigning essays to defendants
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Za mene, zadavanje eseja tuženiku
05:08
has been a tremendous way
of giving them voice.
of giving them voice.
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je bio odličan način davanja im glasa.
05:12
I recently gave an 18-year-old
college student an essay.
college student an essay.
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Nedavno sam 18-ogodišnjem
studentu zadala esej.
studentu zadala esej.
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He lamented his underage drinking charge.
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Žalio je zbog svoje optužbe za
maloljetničko konzumiranje alkohola.
maloljetničko konzumiranje alkohola.
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As he stood before me reading his essay,
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Dok je stajao preda mnom čitajući esej,
05:22
his voice cracking
and his hands trembling,
and his hands trembling,
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glas mu je pucao i ruke su mu se tresle,
05:24
he said that he worried that he
had become an alcoholic like his mom,
had become an alcoholic like his mom,
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rekao je da se brine da će
postati alkoholičar kao njegova mama
postati alkoholičar kao njegova mama
05:28
who had died a couple of months prior
due to alcohol-related liver disease.
due to alcohol-related liver disease.
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koja je umrla nekoliko mjeseci ranije
od bolesti jetre uzrokovane alkoholizmom.
od bolesti jetre uzrokovane alkoholizmom.
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You see, assigning a letter
to my father, a letter to my son,
to my father, a letter to my son,
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Vidite, zadavanje zadataka kao
pismo svom ocu, pismo svom sinu,
pismo svom ocu, pismo svom sinu,
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"If I knew then what I know now ..."
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"Da sam tada znao što znam sada..."
05:40
"If I believed one
positive thing about myself,
positive thing about myself,
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"Da sam vjerovao u jednu
pozitivnu stvar o sebi
pozitivnu stvar o sebi
05:43
how would my life be different?"
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kako bi mi život bio drugačiji?"
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gives the person an opportunity
to be introspective,
to be introspective,
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daje osobi priliku za introspekciju,
05:48
go on the inside,
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za pogled unutra,
05:50
which is where all the answers are anyway.
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gdje su uostalom svi odgovori.
05:52
But it also gives them an opportunity
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Ali im daje i priliku
05:54
to share something with the court
that goes beyond their criminal record
that goes beyond their criminal record
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da podijele nešto sa sudom
što nadilazi njihov sudski dosje
što nadilazi njihov sudski dosje
05:58
and their charges.
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i optužbe.
06:01
The next principle is neutrality.
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Sljedeći princip je neutralnost.
06:03
When increasing public trust
in the justice system,
in the justice system,
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Kad povećavate povjerenje javnosti
u pravosudni sustav
u pravosudni sustav
06:07
neutrality is paramount.
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neutralnost je presudna.
06:08
The judge cannot be perceived
to be favoring one side over the other.
to be favoring one side over the other.
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Suca se ne smije doživjeti kao
da jednoj strani daje prednost nad drugom.
da jednoj strani daje prednost nad drugom.
06:13
The judge has to make a conscious decision
not to say things like,
not to say things like,
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Sudac mora svjesno odlučiti
da ne govori stvari kao,
da ne govori stvari kao,
06:17
"my officer," "my prosecutor,"
"my defense attorney."
"my defense attorney."
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"moj službenik", "moj tužitelj",
"moj branitelj."
"moj branitelj."
06:21
And this is challenging
when we work in environments
when we work in environments
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A to je teško
kad radimo u okruženju
kad radimo u okruženju
06:24
where you have people
assigned to your courts,
assigned to your courts,
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u kojem su ljudi dodijeljeni sudu,
06:27
the same people coming
in and out of your courts as well.
in and out of your courts as well.
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isti ljudi dolaze i odlaze iz sudnice.
06:31
When I think of neutrality,
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Kad razmišljam o neutralnosti,
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I'm reminded of when I was
a new Rutgers Law grad
a new Rutgers Law grad
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sjetim se kad sam bila svježi diplomac
Rutgers pravnog fakulteta
Rutgers pravnog fakulteta
06:36
and freshly minted attorney,
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i svježe oblikovana odvjetnica,
06:38
and I entered an arbitration
and I was greeted by two grey-haired men
and I was greeted by two grey-haired men
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i kad sam ušla u arbitražu,
pozdravila su me dva sijeda muškarca
pozdravila su me dva sijeda muškarca
06:43
who were joking about
the last game of golf they played together
the last game of golf they played together
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koja su se šalila o zadnjoj partiji
golfa koju su igrali zajedno
golfa koju su igrali zajedno
06:47
and planning future social outings.
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i planirala buduće društvene izlete.
06:49
I knew my client couldn't get
a fair shot in that forum.
a fair shot in that forum.
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Znala sam da moj klijent ne može
dobiti poštenu priliku na tom sporu.
dobiti poštenu priliku na tom sporu.
06:54
The next principle is understand.
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Sljedeće načelo je razumijevanje.
06:57
It is critical that court participants
understand the process,
understand the process,
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Ključno je da sudionici na sudu
razumiju proces,
razumiju proces,
07:02
the consequences of the process
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posljedice procesa
07:05
and what's expected of them.
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i što se od njih očekuje.
07:07
I like to say that legalese
is the language we use to confuse.
is the language we use to confuse.
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Volim reći da korištenje jezika prava
pomutnju stvara.
pomutnju stvara.
07:12
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
07:13
I am keenly aware that the people
who appear before me,
who appear before me,
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Jako sam svjesna da ljudi koji dođu
pred mene,
pred mene,
07:16
many of them have very little education
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mnogi od njih su slabo obrazovani
07:18
and English is often
their second language.
their second language.
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i engleski im je često drugi jezik.
07:21
So I speak plain English in court.
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Zato ja na sudu govorim
običan engleski.
običan engleski.
07:24
A great example of this
was when I was a young judge --
was when I was a young judge --
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Odličan primjer toga je
kad sam bila mlada sutkinja,
kad sam bila mlada sutkinja,
07:26
oh no, I mean younger judge.
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ne, mislila sam mlađa sutkinja.
07:28
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
07:29
When I was a younger judge,
a senior judge comes to me,
a senior judge comes to me,
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Kad sam bila mlađa sutkinja,
stariji sudac mi je prišao,
stariji sudac mi je prišao,
07:32
gives me a script and says,
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dao mi je skriptu i rekao,
07:33
"If you think somebody
has mental health issues,
has mental health issues,
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"Ako misliš da netko ima
mentalnih problema
mentalnih problema
pitaj ih ova pitanja i tako
možeš dobiti procjenu.
možeš dobiti procjenu.
07:35
ask them these questions
and you can get your evaluation."
and you can get your evaluation."
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07:38
So the first time I saw someone
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Prvi put kad sam vidjela nekoga
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who had what I thought
was a mental health issue,
was a mental health issue,
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za koga sam pomislila
da ima mentalnih problema,
da ima mentalnih problema,
07:42
I went for my script
and I started to ask questions.
and I started to ask questions.
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pogledala sam skriptu
i počela postavljati pitanja.
i počela postavljati pitanja.
07:45
"Um, sir, do you take psycho --
um, psychotrop --
um, psychotrop --
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"Hm, gospodine, uzimate li
psiho..., hm, psihotrop...
psiho..., hm, psihotrop...
07:48
psychotropic medication?"
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psihotropne lijekove?
07:50
"Nope."
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"Ne."
07:52
"Uh, sir, have you treated
with a psychiatrist before?"
with a psychiatrist before?"
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"Gospodine, jeste li se
ikad liječili kod psihijatra?"
ikad liječili kod psihijatra?"
07:56
"Nope."
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"Ne."
07:57
But it was obvious that the person
was suffering from mental illness.
was suffering from mental illness.
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Ali bilo je očito da osoba
pati od mentalnih bolesti.
pati od mentalnih bolesti.
08:01
One day, in my frustration, I decided
to scrap the script and ask one question.
to scrap the script and ask one question.
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Jedan dan, u ljutnji, odlučila sam
baciti skriptu i pitati jedno pitanje.
baciti skriptu i pitati jedno pitanje.
08:05
"Ma'am, do you take medication
to clear your mind?"
to clear your mind?"
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"Gospođo, uzimate li lijekove
da razbistrite um?
da razbistrite um?
08:08
"Yeah, judge, I take Haldol
for my schizophrenia,
for my schizophrenia,
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"Da sutkinjo, uzimam Haldol
za šizofreniju,
za šizofreniju,
08:10
Xanax for my anxiety."
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Xanax za anksioznost."
08:13
The question works even when it doesn't.
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Pitanje radi čak i kad ne radi.
08:15
"Mr. L, do you take medication
to clear your mind?"
to clear your mind?"
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"Gospođo L, uzimate li lijekove
da razbistrite um?"
da razbistrite um?"
08:18
"No, judge, I don't take
no medication to clear my mind.
no medication to clear my mind.
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"Ne sutkinjo, ne uzimam lijekove
da razbistrim um.
da razbistrim um.
08:21
I take medication
to stop the voices in my head,
to stop the voices in my head,
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Uzimam lijekove
da zaustavim glasove u glavi,
da zaustavim glasove u glavi,
08:23
but my mind is fine."
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ali moj um je u redu."
08:25
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
08:26
You see, once people
understand the question,
understand the question,
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Vidite, kad ljudi razumiju pitanje,
08:29
they can give you valuable information
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mogu vam dati vrijedne informacije
08:31
that allows the court
to make meaningful decisions
to make meaningful decisions
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koje omogućuju sudu
da donese smislene odluke
da donese smislene odluke
08:34
about the cases that are before them.
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o slučajevima pred njima.
08:36
The last principle is respect,
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Posljednje načelo je poštovanje,
08:39
that without it none
of the other principles can work.
of the other principles can work.
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bez kojeg druga načela ne djeluju.
08:43
Now, respect can be as simple as,
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Poštovanje može biti jednostavno, kao:
08:46
"Good afternoon, sir."
"Good morning, ma'am."
"Good morning, ma'am."
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"Dobar dan gospodine."
"Dobro jutro gospođo."
"Dobro jutro gospođo."
08:49
It's looking the person in the eye
who is standing before you,
who is standing before you,
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To je gledanje u oči
osobi koja stoji pred vama,
osobi koja stoji pred vama,
08:52
especially when you're sentencing them.
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naročito kad ih osuđujete.
08:55
It's when I say,
"Um, how are you doing today?
"Um, how are you doing today?
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To je kad kažem,
"Kako ste danas?
"Kako ste danas?
08:57
And what's going on with you?"
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Što ima kod Vas?"
08:58
And not as a greeting,
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I to ne kao pozdrav,
09:00
but as someone who is
actually interested in the response.
actually interested in the response.
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nego kao netko
koga zaista zanima odgovor.
koga zaista zanima odgovor.
09:03
Respect is the difference between saying,
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Poštovanje je razlika između
09:06
"Ma'am, are you having difficulty
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"Gospođo, imate li poteškoća
09:08
understanding the information
in the paperwork?"
in the paperwork?"
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s razumijevanjem informacjia
na papirima?"
na papirima?"
09:10
versus, "You can
read and write, can't you?"
read and write, can't you?"
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i - "Znate čitati i pisati, zar ne?"
09:13
when you've realized
there's a literacy issue.
there's a literacy issue.
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kad shvatite da ima
poteđkoća s pismenosti.
poteđkoća s pismenosti.
09:16
And the good thing about respect
is that it's contagious.
is that it's contagious.
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Dobra stvar o poštovanju je
što je ono zarazno.
što je ono zarazno.
09:19
People see you being
respectful to other folks
respectful to other folks
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Ljudi vide da poštujete druge ljude
09:21
and they impute
that respect to themselves.
that respect to themselves.
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i pripisuju to poštovanje sebi samima.
09:23
You see, that's what
the transgender prostitute was telling me.
the transgender prostitute was telling me.
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Vidite, to mi je
transrodna prostitutka govorila.
transrodna prostitutka govorila.
09:27
I'm judging you just as much
as you think you may be judging me.
as you think you may be judging me.
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Prosuđujem Vas
koliko Vi mislite da sudite meni.
koliko Vi mislite da sudite meni.
09:31
Now, I am not telling you what I think,
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Sad, ne govorim vam što mislim,
09:33
I am telling you what I have lived,
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govorim vam što sam proživjela,
09:36
using procedural justice
to change the culture at my courthouse
to change the culture at my courthouse
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korišteći proceduralnu pravdu
da promijenim kulturu na svom sudu
da promijenim kulturu na svom sudu
09:40
and in the courtroom.
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i u sudnici.
09:42
After sitting comfortably for seven months
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Nakon što sam sedam mjeseci udobno sjedila
09:45
as a traffic court judge,
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kao sutkinja za prometne prekršaje,
09:47
I was advised that I was being moved
to the criminal court,
to the criminal court,
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obavijestili su me da sam premještena
na kazneni sud,
na kazneni sud,
09:51
Part Two, criminal courtroom.
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u kaznenu sudnicu Drugi dio.
09:55
Now, I need you to understand,
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Trebate razumjeti,
09:56
this was not good news.
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to nisu bile dobre vijesti.
09:58
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
09:59
It was not.
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Nisu bile dobre.
10:01
Part Two was known
as the worst courtroom in the city,
as the worst courtroom in the city,
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Drugi dio je bio poznat
kao najgora sudnica u gradu,
kao najgora sudnica u gradu,
10:04
some folks would even say in the state.
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neki bi rekli i u državi.
10:07
It was your typical urban courtroom
with revolving door justice,
with revolving door justice,
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To je tipična urbana sudnica
s uvijek istim ljudima,
s uvijek istim ljudima,
10:11
you know, your regular lineup
of low-level offenders --
of low-level offenders --
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znate, redovna postava
sitnih prijestupnika,
sitnih prijestupnika,
10:14
you know, the low-hanging fruit,
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znate, sitni kriminalci,
10:16
the drug-addicted prostitute,
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prostitutka ovisnica,
10:19
the mentally ill homeless person
with quality-of-life tickets,
with quality-of-life tickets,
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mentalno bolestan beskućnik
s kaznama za remećenje javnog reda i mira,
s kaznama za remećenje javnog reda i mira,
10:23
the high school dropout petty drug dealer
and the misguided young people --
and the misguided young people --
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sitni diler bez završene srednje škole
i mladi ljudi skrenuli s puta,
i mladi ljudi skrenuli s puta,
10:28
you know, those folks
doing a life sentence
doing a life sentence
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znate, ti ljudi odrađuju doživotnu kaznu
10:31
30 days at a time.
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mjesec po mjesec.
10:34
Fortunately, the City of Newark
decided that Newarkers deserved better,
decided that Newarkers deserved better,
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Srećom, grad Newark
je odlučio da Newarčani zaslužuju bolje
je odlučio da Newarčani zaslužuju bolje
10:37
and they partnered
with the Center for Court Innovation
with the Center for Court Innovation
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i udružili su se
s Centrom za inovacije sudova
s Centrom za inovacije sudova
10:40
and the New Jersey Judiciary
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i pravosuđem New Jerseya
10:42
to create Newark Community Solutions,
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kako bi stvorili
Rješenja Zajednice Newark,
Rješenja Zajednice Newark,
10:44
a community court program
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sudski program zajednice
10:46
that provided alternative sanctions.
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koji pruža alternativne kazne.
10:49
This means now a judge
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To znači da sada sudac
10:52
can sentence a defendant
to punishment with assistance.
to punishment with assistance.
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može dosuditi okrivljeniku
kaznu i dodijeliti pomoć.
kaznu i dodijeliti pomoć.
10:56
So a defendant who would
otherwise get a jail sentence
otherwise get a jail sentence
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Tako okrivljenik koji bi inače dobio
zatvorsku kaznu
zatvorsku kaznu
10:58
would now be able to get
individual counseling sessions,
individual counseling sessions,
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sad bi mogao dobiti
individualno savjetovanje,
individualno savjetovanje,
11:01
group counseling sessions
as well as community giveback,
as well as community giveback,
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grupno savjetovanje i
oduživanje zajednici,
oduživanje zajednici,
11:04
which is what we call community service.
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a to zovemo radom za opće dobro.
11:06
The only problem is
that this wonderful program
that this wonderful program
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Jedini je problem što
ovaj prekrasni program
ovaj prekrasni program
11:09
was now coming to Newark
and was going to be housed where?
and was going to be housed where?
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dolazi u Newark
i provodit će se - gdje?
i provodit će se - gdje?
11:12
Part Two criminal courtroom.
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U kaznenoj sudnici Drugi dio.
11:15
And the attitudes there were terrible.
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Stavovi ondje su bili užasni.
11:17
And the reason that
the attitudes were terrible there
the attitudes were terrible there
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Razlog što su stavovi ondje bili užasni
11:20
was because everyone who was sent there
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je što su svi koji su bili poslani tamo
11:22
understood they were
being sent there as punishment.
being sent there as punishment.
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pretpostavili da su poslani tamo za kaznu.
11:24
The officers who were facing
disciplinary actions at times,
disciplinary actions at times,
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Službenici kojima su se ponekad
izricale disciplinske mjere,
izricale disciplinske mjere,
11:28
the public defender and prosecutor
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javni branitelj i tužitelj
11:30
felt like they were doing
a 30-day jail sentence on their rotation,
a 30-day jail sentence on their rotation,
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su se osjećali kao da svaki mjesec
služe zatvorsku kaznu,
služe zatvorsku kaznu,
11:35
the judges understood
they were being hazed
they were being hazed
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suci su mislili da ih muče
i ponižavaju
i ponižavaju
11:37
just like a college
sorority or fraternity.
sorority or fraternity.
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kao na sveučilišnom
sestrinstvu ili bratstvu.
sestrinstvu ili bratstvu.
11:42
I was once told that
an attorney who worked there
an attorney who worked there
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Jednom su mi rekli da je
odvjetnik koji radi tamo
odvjetnik koji radi tamo
11:44
referred to the defendants
as "the scum of the earth"
as "the scum of the earth"
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optuženike nazivao
"šljamom na Zemlji",
"šljamom na Zemlji",
11:48
and then had to represent them.
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a zatim ih je zastupao.
11:51
I would hear things from folks like,
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Čula sam da ljudi kažu:
11:53
"Oh, how could you work
with those people? They're so nasty.
with those people? They're so nasty.
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"O, kako možeš raditi
s tim ljudima? Baš su gadni.
s tim ljudima? Baš su gadni.
11:55
You're a judge, not a social worker."
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Ti si sutkinja, ne socijalna radnica."
11:58
But the reality is that as a society,
we criminalize social ills,
we criminalize social ills,
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Ali u stvarnosti mi kao društvo
kriminaliziramo društvene probleme,
kriminaliziramo društvene probleme,
12:02
then sent people to a judge
and say, "Do something."
and say, "Do something."
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pa pošaljemo ljude sucu i kažemo:
"Učinite nešto."
"Učinite nešto."
12:06
I decided that I was going
to lead by example.
to lead by example.
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Odlučila sam da ću voditi primjerom.
12:08
So my first foray into the approach
came when a 60-something-year-old man
came when a 60-something-year-old man
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Moj prvi napredak u pristupu bio je
kad je 60-ogodišnjak
kad je 60-ogodišnjak
12:12
appeared before me handcuffed.
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došao pred mene u lisičinama.
12:14
His head was lowered and his body
was showing the signs of drug withdrawal.
was showing the signs of drug withdrawal.
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Glava mu je bila pognuta, a tijelo je
pokazivalo znakove apstinencijske krize.
pokazivalo znakove apstinencijske krize.
12:19
I asked him how long he had been addicted,
and he said, "30 years."
and he said, "30 years."
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Pitala sam ga koliko dugo je ovisnik,
odgovorio je: "30 godina."
odgovorio je: "30 godina."
12:23
And I asked him, "Do you have any kids?"
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Pitala sam ga: "Imate li djece?"
12:26
And he said, "Yeah,
I have a 32-year-old son."
I have a 32-year-old son."
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On je odgovorio, "Da,
imam 32-ogodišnjeg sina."
imam 32-ogodišnjeg sina."
12:29
And I said, "Oh, so you've never
had the opportunity
had the opportunity
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A ja sam rekla: "O, znači
nikad niste imali priliku
nikad niste imali priliku
12:32
to be a father to your son
because of your addiction."
because of your addiction."
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biti otac svom sinu
zbog svoje ovisnosti."
zbog svoje ovisnosti."
12:36
He began to cry.
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Zaplakao je.
12:38
I said, "You know what,
I'm going to let you go home,
I'm going to let you go home,
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Rekla sam: "Znate što,
pustit ću vas kući,
pustit ću vas kući,
12:41
and you'll come back in two weeks,
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i doći ćete za dva tjedna,
12:43
and when you come back, we'll give you
some assistance for your addiction."
some assistance for your addiction."
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i kad se vratite, mi ćemo
Vam pomoći s ovisnosti."
Vam pomoći s ovisnosti."
12:46
Surprisingly, two weeks passed
and he was sitting the courtroom.
and he was sitting the courtroom.
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Začudo, dva tjedna su prošla,
a on je sjedio u mojoj sudnici.
a on je sjedio u mojoj sudnici.
12:50
When he came up, he said,
"Judge, I came back to court
"Judge, I came back to court
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Kad je ustao, rekao je,
"Sutkinjo, vratio sam se na sud
"Sutkinjo, vratio sam se na sud
12:53
because you showed me more love
than I had for myself."
than I had for myself."
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jer ste mi pokazali više ljubavi
nego što sam sâm imao za sebe."
nego što sam sâm imao za sebe."
12:56
And I thought, my God,
he heard love from the bench?
he heard love from the bench?
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I pomislila sam, Bože,
osjetio je ljubav od suda?
osjetio je ljubav od suda?
13:00
I could do this all day.
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Mogla bih tako cijeli dan.
13:01
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
13:02
Because the reality is that
when the court behaves differently,
when the court behaves differently,
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Jer činjenica je da
kad se sud ponaša drugačije,
kad se sud ponaša drugačije,
13:05
then naturally people respond differently.
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naravno da ljudi reagiraju drugačije.
13:08
The court becomes a place
you can go to for assistance,
you can go to for assistance,
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Sud postaje mjesto
na koje možete doći po pomoć,
na koje možete doći po pomoć,
13:11
like the 60-something-year-old
schizophrenic homeless woman
schizophrenic homeless woman
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kao 60-ogodišnja
šizofrenična beskućnica
šizofrenična beskućnica
13:15
who was in distress
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koja je patila
13:16
and fighting with the voices in her head,
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i borila se s glasovima u glavi,
13:18
and barges into court,
and screams, "Judge!
and screams, "Judge!
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banula na sud i viknula: "Sutkinjo!
13:21
I just came by to see how you were doing."
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Samo sam svratila da vidim kako ste."
13:24
I had been monitoring her case
for a couple of months,
for a couple of months,
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Pratila sam njezin slučaj
nekoliko mjeseci,
nekoliko mjeseci,
13:27
her compliance with her medication,
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pratila uzima li lijekove,
13:29
and had just closed out her case
a couple of weeks ago.
a couple of weeks ago.
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i zatvorila sam njezin slučaj
nekoliko tjedana ranije.
nekoliko tjedana ranije.
13:32
On this day she needed help,
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Taj dan je trebala pomoć,
13:34
and she came to court.
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i došla je na sud.
13:35
And after four hours
of coaxing by the judge,
of coaxing by the judge,
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I nakon što su je četiri sata
nagovarali sutkinja,
nagovarali sutkinja,
13:39
the police officers and the staff,
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policajci i osoblje,
13:41
she is convinced to get into the ambulance
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uvjerili su je da uđe
u vozilo hitne pomoći
u vozilo hitne pomoći
13:44
that will take her to crisis unit
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koje će je odvesti
na odsjek za krizna stanja
na odsjek za krizna stanja
13:46
so that she can get her medication.
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gdje će dobiti svoje lijekove.
13:49
People become connected to their community
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Ljudi se povežu sa svojom zajednicom
13:52
when the court changes,
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kad se sud promijeni,
13:54
like the 50-something-year-old man
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kao 50-i-nešto-godišnjak
13:56
who told me, "Community service
was terrible, Judge.
was terrible, Judge.
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koji mi je rekao: "Rad za opće
dobro je bio užasan.
dobro je bio užasan.
13:59
I had to clean the park,
and it was full of empty heroin envelopes,
and it was full of empty heroin envelopes,
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Morao sam čistiti park,
i bio je pun praznih vrećica heroina,
i bio je pun praznih vrećica heroina,
14:02
and the kids had to play there."
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a djeca su se igrala tamo."
14:04
As he wrung his hands, he confessed,
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I dok si je nervozno stiskao ruke,
priznao je,
priznao je,
14:07
"Judge, I realized that it was my fault,
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"Sutkinjo, shvatio sam da sam ja kriv,
14:10
because I used that same park to get high,
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jer sam se u istom parku drogirao,
14:13
and before you sent me there
to do community service,
to do community service,
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i prije nego što ste me poslali
tamo na rad,
tamo na rad,
14:15
I had never gone to the park
when I wasn't high,
when I wasn't high,
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nikad nisam otišao u park,
a da nisam bio nafiksan,
a da nisam bio nafiksan,
14:18
so I never noticed
the children playing there."
the children playing there."
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pa nikad nisam primijetio
da se tamo djeca igraju."
da se tamo djeca igraju."
14:22
Every addict in the courtroom
lowered their head.
lowered their head.
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Svaki ovisnik u sudnici
pognuo je glavu.
pognuo je glavu.
14:25
Who better to teach that lesson?
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Tko bi bolje prenio tu lekciju?
14:28
It helps the court reset
its relationship with the community,
its relationship with the community,
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Pomaže sudu ponovno uspostaviti
odnos sa zajednicom,
odnos sa zajednicom,
14:33
like with the 20-something-year-old guy
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kao s 20-i-nešto-godišnjakom
14:36
who gets a job interview
through the court program.
through the court program.
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koji je pozvan na razgovor za posao
kroz sudski program.
kroz sudski program.
14:39
He gets a job interview
at an office cleaning company,
at an office cleaning company,
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Dobio je razgovor za posao
u tvrtci za čišćenje ureda
u tvrtci za čišćenje ureda
14:42
and he comes back to court to proudly say,
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i vratio se na sud da ponosno kaže:
14:44
"Judge, I even worked in my suit
after the interview,
after the interview,
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"Sutkinjo, čak sam radio u odijelu
nakon razgovora,
nakon razgovora,
14:49
because I wanted the guy to see
how bad I wanted the job."
how bad I wanted the job."
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jer sam htio da čovjek vidi
koliko žarko želim posao."
koliko žarko želim posao."
14:54
It's what happens
when a person in authority
when a person in authority
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To se dogodi kad se
osoba s autoritetom
osoba s autoritetom
14:58
treats you with dignity and respect,
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odnosi prema vama
s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem,
s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem,
15:00
like the 40-something-year-old guy
who struts down the aisle
who struts down the aisle
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kao 40-i-nešto-godišnjak
koji se šepurio niz prolaz
koji se šepurio niz prolaz
15:03
and says, "Judge,
do you notice anything different?"
do you notice anything different?"
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i rekao: "Sutkinjo,
primjećujete li nešto drugačije?"
primjećujete li nešto drugačije?"
15:06
And when I look up,
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A kad sam pogledala,
15:07
he's pointing at his new teeth
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pokazivao je na nove zube
15:10
that he was able to get after getting
a referral from the program,
a referral from the program,
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koje je uspio dobiti nakon što
je dobio preporuku od programa,
je dobio preporuku od programa,
15:13
but he was able to get them
to replace the old teeth
to replace the old teeth
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a uspio ih je dobiti
da zamijeni stare zube
da zamijeni stare zube
15:17
that he lost as a result
of years of heroin addiction.
of years of heroin addiction.
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koje je izgubio zbog
dugogodišnje ovisnosti o heroinu.
dugogodišnje ovisnosti o heroinu.
15:21
When he looks in the mirror,
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Kad pogleda u zrcalo
15:22
now he sees somebody who is worth saving.
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sada vidi nekoga vrijednog spašavanja.
15:25
You see, I have a dream
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Vidite, ja imam san,
15:27
and that dream is
that judges will use these tools
that judges will use these tools
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a taj san je
da će suci koristiti ove alate
da će suci koristiti ove alate
15:31
to revolutionize
the communities that they serve.
the communities that they serve.
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da revolucioniziraju
zajednice kojima služimo.
zajednice kojima služimo.
15:35
Now, these tools
are not miracle cure-alls,
are not miracle cure-alls,
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Sad, ovi alati
nisu čarobni štapići,
nisu čarobni štapići,
15:37
but they get us light-years closer
to where we want to be,
to where we want to be,
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ali nas dovode svjetlosnim godinama
bliže mjestu na kojem želimo biti
bliže mjestu na kojem želimo biti
15:41
and where we want to be is a place
that people enter our halls of justice
that people enter our halls of justice
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a želimo biti na mjestu
na kojem ljudi uđu u sudnicu
na kojem ljudi uđu u sudnicu
15:45
and believe they will be treated
with dignity and respect
with dignity and respect
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i vjeruju da će ih tretirati
s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem
s dostojanstvom i poštovanjem
15:48
and know that justice
will be served there.
will be served there.
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i znati da će tamo
pravda biti zadovoljena.
pravda biti zadovoljena.
15:52
Imagine that, a simple idea.
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Zamislite to, jednostavna ideja.
15:55
Thank you.
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Hvala.
15:56
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Victoria Pratt - ProfessorJudge Victoria Pratt is inspiring a global revolution in criminal justice.
Why you should listen
Judge Victoria Pratt has gained national and international acclaim for her commitment to reforming the criminal justice system. As the Chief Judge in Newark Municipal Court in Newark, New Jersey, a busy urban court, she spent years gaining a deep understanding of how justice could be delivered to court participants in a manner that increased their trust in the legal system. While presiding over Newark Community Solutions, the Community Court Program, she provided alternatives to jail to low-level offenders. These alternatives included community service, individual and group counseling sessions, and her signature assignment of introspective essays. Her respectful approach has had a positive effect on court participant’s court experience -- and how the community viewed the court.
Pratt is now serving as a Professor at Rutgers Law School in Newark, an institution that has always been committed to social justice. Her teaching load includes problem-solving courts and restorative justice. As a graduate of Rutgers Law, she is excited by the opportunity to influence the minds of future lawyers and judges with innovative and humane ways of dealing with court participants. She also continues to champion criminal justice reform through her consulting firm Pratt Lucien Consultants, LLC, by sharing her skills and approach with others.
Pratt’s work has been featured in The Guardian and Rutgers Magazine (both written by Pulitzer-winning author Tina Rosenberg.) As a nationally recognized expert in procedural justice and alternative sentencing, she has been asked by numerous professional organizations and jurisdictions to share her story and philosophy. Judge Pratt has also appeared on MSNBC's "Melissa Harris Perry Show," the Emmy-winning PBS show "Due Process," and National Public Radio's "Conversations with Allan Wolper."
Pratt is licensed to practice law in both New Jersey and New York and is admitted to the US Supreme Court. She also facilitates empowerment sessions to help people live their best lives.
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