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Hadi Eldebek: Why must artists be poor?
哈迪．艾德貝克: 藝術家如何對經濟有所貢獻──以及我們如何支持他們
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藝術賦予了生命意義，滋養了文化靈魂──那為什麼我們還會預期藝術家都生活地很辛苦？哈迪．艾德貝克在努力改變社會，讓藝術家能被重視。他透過一個線上平台，將藝術家和補助金及資助機會媒合配對──這麼一來，他們便能專注在他們的本業而非副業上。
Hadi Eldebek - Musician, educator, entrepreneur
TED Resident Hadi Eldebek is a musician, educator and entrepreneur who creates artistic, cultural, and educational projects around the world. Full bio
TED Resident Hadi Eldebek is a musician, educator and entrepreneur who creates artistic, cultural, and educational projects around the world. Full bio
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00:12
I come from a family of five brothers,
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我家共有五兄弟，
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all scientists and engineers.
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都是科學家和工程師。
00:18
A few years ago,
I sent them the following email:
I sent them the following email:
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幾年前，我寄了這封
電子郵件給他們：
電子郵件給他們：
00:22
"Dear brothers, I hope
this message finds you well.
this message finds you well.
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「親愛的兄弟們，希望你們
收到這個訊息時，一切安好。
收到這個訊息時，一切安好。
00:26
I am emailing to let you know
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我寫這封信是要讓你們知道，
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that I'm dropping out
of my master's program in engineering
of my master's program in engineering
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我要放棄攻讀工程碩士學位，
00:31
to pursue a career
as a full-time musician.
as a full-time musician.
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改當全職音樂家。
00:35
All that I ask from you
is not to worry about me."
is not to worry about me."
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請你們不用擔心我。」
00:40
Brother number one replied.
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兄弟一號回覆了。
00:42
He was encouraging but a bit skeptical.
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他很鼓勵我，但有點懷疑。
00:45
He said, "I wish you the best of luck.
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他說：「祝你好運。
00:47
You're going to need it."
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你會需要的。」
00:49
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
00:51
Brother number two
was a little bit more skeptical.
was a little bit more skeptical.
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兄弟二號又更懷疑了些。
00:55
He said, "Don't do it!
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他說：「別這麼做！
00:56
This will be the worst
mistake of your life.
mistake of your life.
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這將會是你人生中最嚴重的錯誤。
00:59
Find a real career."
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找個真正的職業吧。」
01:01
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
01:02
Well, the rest of my brothers
were so enthusiastic about my decision,
were so enthusiastic about my decision,
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其他的兄弟對於我的決定，
感興趣到連回都不回。
01:07
they didn't even respond.
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01:09
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
01:12
I know that the skepticism
coming from my brothers
coming from my brothers
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我知道我兄弟們的懷疑
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is out of care and concern for me.
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是出於對我的關心和在乎。
01:17
They were worried.
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他們會擔心。
01:18
They thought it would be difficult
to make it as an artist,
to make it as an artist,
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他們認為，要當藝術家很難，
01:22
that it will be a challenge.
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那會是個挑戰。
01:25
And you know what? They were right.
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你們知道嗎？他們是對的。
01:28
It is such a challenge
to be a full-time artist.
to be a full-time artist.
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要當全職藝術家是個很大的挑戰。
01:31
I have so many friends
who need to have a second job
who need to have a second job
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我有好多朋友都需要有第二份工作，
01:34
as a plan B in order to pay for the bills,
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當作支付帳單費用的 B 計畫，
01:36
except that plan B
sometimes becomes their plan A.
sometimes becomes their plan A.
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不過有時候，B 計畫
會變成他們的 A 計畫。
會變成他們的 A 計畫。
01:41
And it's not just my friends and I
who experience this.
who experience this.
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不只有我的朋友和我
經歷到這種狀況。
經歷到這種狀況。
01:45
The US Census Bureau states that only
10 percent of art school graduates
10 percent of art school graduates
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美國人口普查局指出，
藝術學校的畢業生只有一成
藝術學校的畢業生只有一成
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end up working as full-time artists.
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成為全職的藝術家。
01:53
The other 90 percent, they change careers,
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剩下的九成都轉換了跑道，
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they work in marketing,
sales, education and other fields.
sales, education and other fields.
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他們改從事行銷、業務、
教育或其他領域。
教育或其他領域。
02:00
But this is not news, right?
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但這並非新聞，對吧？
02:02
We almost expect the artist
to be a struggling artist.
to be a struggling artist.
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我們幾乎都預期藝術家
一定會過得很辛苦。
一定會過得很辛苦。
02:06
But why should we expect that?
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但我們為什麼會有這樣的預期？
02:10
I read an article in the "Huffington Post"
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我在《哈芬登郵報》讀到一篇文章，
02:12
saying that four years ago,
the European Union
the European Union
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文章寫說，歐盟在四年前
02:16
began the world's largest ever
arts funding initiative.
arts funding initiative.
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發起了世界上最大的藝術資助計畫。
02:19
Creative Europe
will give 2.4 billion dollars
will give 2.4 billion dollars
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創意歐洲計畫將會提供 24 億美元
02:23
to over 300,000 artists.
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給超過 30 萬名藝術家。
02:26
In contrast, the US budget
for our National Endowment for the Arts,
for our National Endowment for the Arts,
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相對的，美國撥給
「國家藝術贊助基金會」的預算，
「國家藝術贊助基金會」的預算，
02:32
the largest single funder
for the arts across the United States,
for the arts across the United States,
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這是全美藝術最大的資助來源，
02:35
is merely 146 million dollars.
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只有 1 億 4600 萬美元。
02:39
To put things into perspective,
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全面來看，
02:41
the US budget for the military
marching bands alone
marching bands alone
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美國光是撥給軍方軍樂隊的預算
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is almost twice as much as the entire NEA.
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幾乎就是撥給整個
國家藝術贊助基金會的兩倍了。
國家藝術贊助基金會的兩倍了。
02:51
Another striking image comes from
Brendan McMahon for the "Huffington Post,"
Brendan McMahon for the "Huffington Post,"
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另外還有很引人注目的一點，來自
《哈芬登郵報》的布倫丹·麥馬漢，
《哈芬登郵報》的布倫丹·麥馬漢，
02:56
saying that out of
the one trillion dollar budget
the one trillion dollar budget
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他說在撥給軍方以及國防相關花費的
02:59
for military and defense-related spending,
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一兆美元預算中，
03:02
if only 0.05 percent
were allocated to the arts,
were allocated to the arts,
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只要有 0.05% 能分配給藝術，
03:06
we would be able to pay
for 20 full-time symphony orchestras
for 20 full-time symphony orchestras
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我們就能夠支付
20 個全職的交響樂團，
20 個全職的交響樂團，
03:10
at 20 million dollars apiece,
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每團 2,000 萬美元，
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and give over 80,000 artists
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還能給超過八萬名藝術家
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an annual salary of 50,000 dollars each.
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每人五萬美元的年薪。
03:20
If that's only 0.05 percent,
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如果那只是 0.05%，
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imagine what a full one percent could do.
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想像一下整整 1% 能做多少。
03:26
Now, I know we live
in a capitalist society,
in a capitalist society,
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我知道我們處在資本主義社會，
03:29
and profits matter a lot.
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利潤是很重要的。
03:32
So let's look at it
from a financial angle, shall we?
from a financial angle, shall we?
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所以，咱們就從
財務的角度來探討吧。
財務的角度來探討吧。
03:36
The US nonprofit arts industry
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美國的非營利藝術產業
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generates more than 166 billion dollars
in economic activity,
in economic activity,
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產出超過 1660 億美元的經濟活動，
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it employs 5.7 million people
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該產業僱用了 570 萬人，
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and it returns 12.6 billion dollars
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並給國家帶來了 126 億美元的
03:51
in tax revenue.
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賦稅收入。
03:52
But this is only a financial angle, right?
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但這只是財務面，對吧？
03:54
We all know that the arts is way more
than just an economic value.
than just an economic value.
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我們都知道藝術的價值
絕對不只是經濟價值。
絕對不只是經濟價值。
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The arts brings meaning to life.
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藝術帶給人生意義。
04:01
It's the spirit of our culture.
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它是我們文化的精神。
04:04
It brings people together
and it supports creativity
and it supports creativity
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它讓人團結在一起，它支持創意
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and social cohesion.
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以及社會的凝聚力。
04:09
But if the arts contributes
this much to our economy,
this much to our economy,
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但如果藝術對我們的
經濟有這麼多貢獻，
經濟有這麼多貢獻，
04:13
why then do we still invest
so little in arts and artists?
so little in arts and artists?
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為什麼我們仍然對藝術
和藝術家投資這麼少？
和藝術家投資這麼少？
04:19
Why do more than 80 percent
of our schools nationwide
of our schools nationwide
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為什麼全國仍然有超過八成的學校
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still experience budget cuts
in arts education programs?
in arts education programs?
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藝術教育計畫的預算會被刪減？
04:28
What is it about the value
of arts and artists
of arts and artists
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藝術和藝術家的價值，到底有什麼
是我們仍然不了解的？
04:31
that we still don't understand?
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04:34
I believe the system is flawed
and far from being fair,
and far from being fair,
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我相信體制有瑕疵，
而且一點也不公平，
而且一點也不公平，
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and I want to help change that.
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我想要協助改變這個狀況。
04:39
I want to live in a society
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我希望我們居住的社會
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where artists are more valued
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能更重視藝術家，
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and have more cultural
and financial support
and financial support
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提供更多文化和財務上的支持，
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so they can focus on creating arts
instead of being forced to drive Ubers
instead of being forced to drive Ubers
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讓他們能夠專心去創作藝術，
而不是被迫要去開優步（Uber）
而不是被迫要去開優步（Uber）
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or take corporate jobs
they'd rather not have.
they'd rather not have.
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或在企業做他們並不想做的工作。
04:53
There are other sources of income
for artists, however.
for artists, however.
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然而，藝術家還有其他的收入來源。
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There are private foundations,
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有私人的基金會、
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grants and patrons who give money,
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補助金以及經費的贊助者，
05:02
except a vast majority of artists
don't know about these opportunities.
don't know about these opportunities.
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不過，大部分的藝術家
並不知道有這些機會。
並不知道有這些機會。
05:07
On one side you have institutions
and people with money.
and people with money.
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在一邊，是能提供資金的機構和人。
05:10
On the other side
you have artists seeking funding,
you have artists seeking funding,
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在另一邊，是在尋找資助的藝術家，
05:13
but the artists don't know
about the people with the money,
about the people with the money,
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但藝術家不認識
可以提供資金的那些人，
可以提供資金的那些人，
05:16
and the people with the money
don't necessarily know
don't necessarily know
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而可提供資金的那些人不見得知道
05:18
about the artists out there.
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外頭有那些藝術家。
05:20
This is why I am very excited
to share "Grantpa,"
to share "Grantpa,"
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這就是為什麼我很高興
能來分享「Grantpa」，
能來分享「Grantpa」，
05:23
an online platform that uses technology
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這是個線上平台，
使用科技來將藝術家和補助金
及資助機會做配對，
及資助機會做配對，
05:26
to match artists with grants
and funding opportunities
and funding opportunities
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05:30
in a way that is easy, fast
and less intimidating.
and less intimidating.
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做法很簡單快速，不會讓人怯步。
05:34
Grantpa is only one step
towards solving an existing problem
towards solving an existing problem
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Grantpa 只是朝向解決既有的
資金不平等問題邁進一步，
05:38
of funding inequality,
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05:41
but we need to work collectively
on multiple fronts
on multiple fronts
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但我們需要在各戰線一起努力，
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to reevaluate how we view
the artists in our society.
the artists in our society.
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來重新評估我們如何看待
社會中的藝術家。
社會中的藝術家。
05:48
Do we think of arts
as a luxury or a necessity?
as a luxury or a necessity?
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我們把藝術當作是奢侈品或必需品？
05:52
Do we understand what goes on
in the day-to-day life of an artist,
in the day-to-day life of an artist,
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我們是否了解藝術家
每天的日常是怎樣的？
每天的日常是怎樣的？
05:57
or do we still believe that artists,
no matter how struggling they are,
no matter how struggling they are,
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或者我們仍然相信，
藝術家不論過得多辛苦
藝術家不論過得多辛苦
06:01
are happy simply because
they're following their passion?
they're following their passion?
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都還是很快樂，只因為
他們在追求自己的熱情？
他們在追求自己的熱情？
06:06
In a few years, I plan to send
my brothers the following email:
my brothers the following email:
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我計畫要在幾年後寄
這封電子郵件給我的兄弟：
這封電子郵件給我的兄弟：
06:12
"Dear brothers, I hope
this message finds you well.
this message finds you well.
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「親愛的兄弟們，希望你們
收到這個訊息時，一切安好。
收到這個訊息時，一切安好。
06:16
I am emailing to let you know
that I am doing great
that I am doing great
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我寫這封信是要讓
你們知道，我很好，
你們知道，我很好，
06:19
and so are hundreds
of thousands of artists
of thousands of artists
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其他數十萬名藝術家也都很好，
06:21
who are being valued more
culturally and financially
culturally and financially
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他們現在不論在文化上
或財務上都更受重視，
或財務上都更受重視，
06:25
and getting enough funding
to focus on their crafts
to focus on their crafts
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有足夠的資金，讓他們能
專注在自己的職業上，
專注在自己的職業上，
06:28
and create more art.
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創作更多的藝術。
06:30
I appreciate all of your support.
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我感謝你們所有的支持。
06:32
Couldn't have done it without you."
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沒有你們，我是辦不到的。」
06:34
Thank you.
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謝謝。
06:35
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Hadi Eldebek - Musician, educator, entrepreneurTED Resident Hadi Eldebek is a musician, educator and entrepreneur who creates artistic, cultural, and educational projects around the world.
Why you should listen
After completing his undergraduate studies in math and chemistry, Hadi Eldebek enrolled in a master's program in industrial engineering before he decided to focus on music, culture, and entrepreneurship. His choice was encountered by doubts about how he was going to make it as an artist.
When Eldebek was awarded a music grant in 2015, he started to explore how to make funding opportunities more accessible to artists around the world, sparking grantPA -- a platform that connects artists and organizations to funding and professional development opportunities.
Eldebek's collaborations with pioneers in the world of arts, culture and education, including Yo-Yo Ma's SilkRoad Ensemble, Disney World Imagineering and Harvard Graduate School of Education have equipped him with a valuable mindset and powerful insights that led him into the creation of numerous projects. He often tours as a musician and a panelist. He was recently a TED Resident, where he co-developed grantPA and Circle World Arts with his brother, Mohamad Eldebek, into ideas worth spreading.
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