TEDGlobal 2012
Ruby Wax: What's so funny about mental illness?
Rubi Veks (Ruby Wax): Šta je toliko smešno kod mentalnih bolesti?
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Bolesti tela privlače saosećanje, kaže komičarka Rubi Veks -- ali to ne važi za mozak. Zašto? Vrcavom energijom i humorom, Veks, koja deceniju pati od kliničke depresije, traži da okončamo žigosanje koje nastaje zbog mentalne bolesti.
Ruby Wax - Comedian and Mental Health Activist
Ruby Wax is a loud, funny woman -- who spent much of her comedy career battling depression in silence. Now her work blends mental health advocacy and laughs. Full bio
Ruby Wax is a loud, funny woman -- who spent much of her comedy career battling depression in silence. Now her work blends mental health advocacy and laughs. Full bio
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00:15
One in four people suffer from some sort of mental illness,
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Jedna od četiri osobe ima
neko mentalno obolenje,
neko mentalno obolenje,
00:19
so if it was one, two, three, four, it's you, sir.
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recimo, jedna, dve, tri,
četiri, to ste vi gospodine.
četiri, to ste vi gospodine.
00:24
You. Yeah. (Laughter)
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Vi. (Smeh)
00:25
With the weird teeth. And you next to him. (Laughter)
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Sa čudnim zubima.
I vi pored njega. (Smeh)
I vi pored njega. (Smeh)
00:29
You know who you are.
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Znate vi ko ste.
00:30
Actually, that whole row isn't right. (Laughter)
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Zapravo, čitav taj red ne valja.
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
00:32
That's not good. Hi. Yeah. Real bad. Don't even look at me. (Laughter)
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Nije to dobro. Zdravo!
Da, skroz loše. Nemojte me i gledati. (Smeh)
Da, skroz loše. Nemojte me i gledati. (Smeh)
00:37
I am one of the one in four. Thank you.
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Ja sam jedna od one
jedne u četiri. Zahvaljujem.
jedne u četiri. Zahvaljujem.
00:42
I think I inherit it from my mother, who,
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Verujem da sam to
nasledila od majke
nasledila od majke
00:45
used to crawl around the house on all fours.
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koja je na sve četiri
puzala kroz kuću.
puzala kroz kuću.
00:48
She had two sponges in her hand, and then she had two
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Imala je dva sunđera u ruci, a još dva
00:51
tied to her knees. My mother was completely absorbent. (Laughter)
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zavezana za kolena. Moja
majka sve je upijala. (Smeh)
majka sve je upijala. (Smeh)
00:56
And she would crawl around behind me going,
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Puzala bi za mnom i ponavljala:
00:58
"Who brings footprints into a building?!"
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"Ko još gaca po kući?!"
01:02
So that was kind of a clue that things weren't right.
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Bio je to neki znak da
nešto ne valja.
nešto ne valja.
01:04
So before I start, I would like to thank
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Pre nego počnem,
želim zahvaliti tvorcima
želim zahvaliti tvorcima
01:09
the makers of Lamotrigine, Sertraline, and Reboxetine,
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lamortrigina, sertralina i reboksetina.
01:14
because without those few simple chemicals, I would not be vertical today.
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Bez tih prostih hemikalija,
danas ne bih stajala na nogama.
danas ne bih stajala na nogama.
01:19
So how did it start?
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Kako je počelo?
01:24
My mental illness -- well, I'm not even going to talk about my mental illness.
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Moja mentalna bolest,
pa, o njoj neću ni govoriti.
pa, o njoj neću ni govoriti.
01:28
What am I going to talk about? Okay.
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O čemu ću govoriti? U redu.
01:30
I always dreamt that, when I had my final breakdown,
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Stalno sam sanjala da će se
moj konačan nervni slom
moj konačan nervni slom
01:34
it would be because I had a deep Kafkaesque
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desiti zbog dubokog kafkijanskog
01:37
existentialist revelation,
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egzistencionalnog uvida,
01:39
or that maybe Cate Blanchett would play me and she would win an Oscar for it. (Laughter)
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ili da će me Kejt Blanšet glumiti
i osvojiti Oskara. (Smeh)
i osvojiti Oskara. (Smeh)
01:44
But that's not what happened. I had my breakdown
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Ali, to se nije desilo.
Nervni slom sam doživela
Nervni slom sam doživela
01:47
during my daughter's sports day.
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u toku sportskog dana
u školi moje kćerke.
u školi moje kćerke.
01:49
There were all the parents sitting in a parking lot
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Gomila roditelja sedela
je na parkingu
je na parkingu
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eating food out of the back of their car -- only the English --
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i jela sa gepeka -- samo Englezi --
01:57
eating their sausages. They loved their sausages. (Laughter)
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su jeli kobasice.
Obožavali su kobasice. (Smeh)
Obožavali su kobasice. (Smeh)
02:03
Lord and Lady Rigor Mortis were nibbling on the tarmac,
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Lord i ledi Mrtvačka Ukočenost
nabadali su sa asfalta,
nabadali su sa asfalta,
02:07
and then the gun went off and all the girlies started running,
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začuo se pištolj i sve
devojane potrčaše
devojane potrčaše
02:10
and all the mummies went, "Run! Run Chlamydia! Run!" (Laughter)
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dok su mamice vikale:
"Trči, trči Klamidja! Trči!" (Smeh.)
"Trči, trči Klamidja! Trči!" (Smeh.)
02:15
"Run like the wind, Veruca! Run!"
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"Poleti kao vetar, Veruka! Trči!"
02:19
And all the girlies, girlies running, running, running,
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I sve devojane
trče, trče, trče,
trče, trče, trče,
02:21
everybody except for my daughter, who was just standing
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sve osim moje kćerke,
koja samo stoji
koja samo stoji
02:24
at the starting line, just waving,
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na startu, samo maše
02:27
because she didn't know she was supposed to run.
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jer nije znala da treba da trči.
02:30
So I took to my bed for about a month, and when I woke up
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Završila sam u postelji na
oko mesec dana i nakon buđenja
oko mesec dana i nakon buđenja
02:34
I found I was institutionalized, and when I saw the other inmates,
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saznala sam da sam u bolnici.
Videla sam ostale zatočenike i
Videla sam ostale zatočenike i
02:38
I realized that I had found my people, my tribe. (Laughter)
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shvatila da sam našla moj
narod, moje pleme. (Smeh)
narod, moje pleme. (Smeh)
02:43
Because they became my only friends, they became my friends,
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Jer, postali su mi jedini prijatelji,
postali su mi prijatelji,
postali su mi prijatelji,
02:46
because very few people that I knew -- Well, I wasn't
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pošto mi ono malo poznanika...
Znate, nisu mi
Znate, nisu mi
02:49
sent a lot of cards or flowers. I mean, if I had had a broken leg
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slali mnogo razglednica ili cveća.
Mislim, da sam polomila nogu
Mislim, da sam polomila nogu
02:53
or I was with child I would have been inundated,
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ili bila trudna,
udavili bi me pažnjom.
udavili bi me pažnjom.
02:55
but all I got was a couple phone calls telling me to perk up.
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Samo sam dobila nekoliko
poziva kad su mi rekli da živnem.
poziva kad su mi rekli da živnem.
02:59
Perk up.
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Da živnem.
03:00
Because I didn't think of that. (Laughter)
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Tog se sama nisam setila. (Smeh)
03:05
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(Smeh) (Aplauz)
03:08
Because, you know, the one thing, one thing that you get with this disease,
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Jer, vidite, ono što dobijete
uz ovu bolest,
uz ovu bolest,
03:13
this one comes with a package, is you get a real sense of shame,
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što ide u paketu,
jeste pravi osećaj srama,
jeste pravi osećaj srama,
03:16
because your friends go, "Oh come on, show me the lump,
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jer prijatelji vam govore:
"Pokaži mi oteklinu!"
"Pokaži mi oteklinu!"
03:19
show me the x-rays," and of course you've got nothing to show,
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"Pokaži mi rentgen!" Naravno,
nemate šta pokazati
nemate šta pokazati
03:21
so you're, like, really disgusted with yourself because you're thinking,
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i onda se gadite sebe
jer razmišljate:
jer razmišljate:
03:24
"I'm not being carpet-bombed. I don't live in a township."
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"Nisam zasuta minama.
Ne živim u predgrađu."
Ne živim u predgrađu."
03:27
So you start to hear these abusive voices, but you don't hear one abusive voice,
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Počinjete da čujete proganjajuće
glasove, ali ne jedan glas,
glasove, ali ne jedan glas,
03:31
you hear about a thousand -- 100,000 abusive voices,
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već oko hiljadu, 100.000
proganjajućih glasova,
proganjajućih glasova,
03:33
like if the Devil had Tourette's, that's what it would sound like.
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Da đavo ima Turetov
sindrom, tako bi to zvučalo.
sindrom, tako bi to zvučalo.
03:37
But we all know in here, you know, there is no Devil,
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Ali svi ovde znamo, kako beše,
da đavo ne postoji,
da đavo ne postoji,
03:40
there are no voices in your head.
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nema glasova u vašoj glavi.
03:42
You know that when you have those abusive voices,
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Znate, kad čujete te
proganjajuće glasove.
proganjajuće glasove.
03:44
all those little neurons get together and in that little gap
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svi mali neuroni skupe se
u taj mali prostor
u taj mali prostor
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you get a real toxic "I want to kill myself" kind of chemical,
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i stvori se veoma otrovna
"hoću-da-se-ubijem" hemikalija
"hoću-da-se-ubijem" hemikalija
03:50
and if you have that over and over again on a loop tape,
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i ako vam se to ponavlja
iznova i iznova
iznova i iznova
03:53
you might have yourself depression.
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možda nabacite sebi depresiju.
03:55
Oh, and that's not even the tip of the iceberg.
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O, ali to nije ni
vrh ledenog brega.
vrh ledenog brega.
03:58
If you get a little baby, and you abuse it verbally,
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Ako dobijete bebu,
i verbalno je zlostavljate,
i verbalno je zlostavljate,
04:01
its little brain sends out chemicals that are so destructive
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njen mali mozak šalje tako
destruktivne hemikalije
destruktivne hemikalije
04:05
that the little part of its brain that can tell good from bad just doesn't grow,
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da se maleni deo mozga za
razlikovanje dobra od zla ne razvije.
razlikovanje dobra od zla ne razvije.
04:09
so you might have yourself a homegrown psychotic.
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Tako ste sebi možda nabacili
psihotika iz kućne radinosti.
psihotika iz kućne radinosti.
04:12
If a soldier sees his friend blown up, his brain goes into
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Ako vojnik vidi kako mu prijatelja
raznese eksplozija, mozak mu
raznese eksplozija, mozak mu
04:15
such high alarm that he can't actually put the experience into words,
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je toliko uzbuđen da rečima
ne može opisati iskustvo,
ne može opisati iskustvo,
04:19
so he just feels the horror over and over again.
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tako da traumu iznova proživljava.
04:22
So here's my question. My question is, how come
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Evo šta me zanima.
Kako to da se kod ljudi sa
Kako to da se kod ljudi sa
04:24
when people have mental damage, it's always an active imagination?
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mentalnim oštećenjem uvek
radi o "aktivnoj mašti"?
radi o "aktivnoj mašti"?
04:28
How come every other organ in your body can get sick
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Kako to da se svaki organ
u telu može razboleti,
u telu može razboleti,
04:31
and you get sympathy, except the brain?
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i izazvati saosećanje,
svaki osim mozga?
svaki osim mozga?
04:34
I'd like to talk a little bit more about the brain,
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Želim malo da govorim o mozgu,
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because I know you like that here at TED,
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znam da to volite ovde na TED-u,
04:39
so if you just give me a minute here, okay.
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pa me saslušajte minut, može.
04:42
Okay, let me just say, there's some good news.
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Da vam kažem da imam dobre vesti.
04:44
There is some good news. First of all, let me say,
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Ima dobrih vesti.
Pre svega,
Pre svega,
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we've come a long, long way.
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prevalili smo dug, dug put.
04:50
We started off as a teeny, teeny little one-celled amoeba,
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Počeli smo kao malecka
jednoćelijska ameba,
jednoćelijska ameba,
04:54
tiny, just sticking onto a rock, and now, voila, the brain.
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malecka, prilepljena za stenu
i evo nam ga danas mozak.
i evo nam ga danas mozak.
04:58
Here we go. (Laughter)
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Pogledajte. (Smeh)
05:00
This little baby has a lot of horsepower.
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Ova bebica veoma je snažna.
05:03
It comes completely conscious. It's got state-of-the-art lobes.
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Dolazi potpuno svesna.
Ima najmodernije režnjeve.
Ima najmodernije režnjeve.
05:07
We've got the occipital lobe so we can actually see the world.
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Tu nam je čeoni režanj,
da možemo videti svet.
da možemo videti svet.
05:11
We got the temporal lobe so we can actually hear the world.
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Tu nam je slepoočni režanj,
da možemu čuti svet.
da možemu čuti svet.
05:13
Here we've got a little bit of long-term memory,
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Imamo i nešto dugoročnog pamćenja.
05:15
so, you know that night you want to forget, when you got really drunk? Bye-bye! Gone. (Laughter)
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Ona noć koju biste zaboravili, kad ste
se baš napili? Nestala! (Smeh)
se baš napili? Nestala! (Smeh)
05:20
So actually, it's filled with 100 billion neurons
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U njemu je 100 milijardi neurona
05:23
just zizzing away, electrically transmitting information,
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koji zuje i putem struje
prenose informacije,
prenose informacije,
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zizzing, zizzing. I'm going to give you a little side view here.
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zuje, zuje... Da vam pokažem
pogled sa strane.
pogled sa strane.
05:29
I don't know if you can get that here. (Laughter)
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Ne znam vidite li odatle.
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
05:33
So, zizzing away, and so — (Laughter) —
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Dakle, zuje, i tako... (Smeh)
05:37
And for every one — I know, I drew this myself. Thank you.
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I na svaki... Znam, sama
sam crtala. Hvala vam.
sam crtala. Hvala vam.
05:41
For every one single neuron, you can actually have
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Na svaki neuron dolazi od
05:44
from 10,000 to 100,000 different connections
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10.000 do 100.000 različitih veza
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or dendrites or whatever you want to call it, and every time
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ili dendrita ili kako već
ih zvali i svaki put
ih zvali i svaki put
05:51
you learn something, or you have an experience,
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kad naučite nešto novo,
ili doživite neko iskustvo
ili doživite neko iskustvo
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that bush grows, you know, that bush of information.
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taj grm raste, znate,
taj grm informacija.
taj grm informacija.
05:56
Can you imagine, every human being is carrying
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Zamislite, svaki čovek poseduje
05:59
that equipment, even Paris Hilton? (Laughter)
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tu opremu, čak i Paris
Hilton? (Smeh)
Hilton? (Smeh)
06:04
Go figure.
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Pa vi vidite.
06:06
But I got a little bad news for you folks. I got some bad news.
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Imam i loše vesti, narode.
Neke loše vesti.
Neke loše vesti.
06:09
This isn't for the one in four. This is for the four in four.
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A one ne važe za jednu od
četiri osobe, već za sve četiri.
četiri osobe, već za sve četiri.
06:12
We are not equipped for the 21st century.
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Nismo opremljeni za XXI vek.
06:16
Evolution did not prepare us for this. We just don't have the bandwidth,
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Evolucija nas na ovo nije pripremila.
Nemamo potreban protok informacija
Nemamo potreban protok informacija
06:20
and for people who say, oh, they're having a nice day,
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a ljudi koji kažu: "O, uživaju
u lepom danu..."
u lepom danu..."
06:23
they're perfectly fine, they're more insane than the rest of us.
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"...sasvim su u redu.", oni su
luđi od nas ostalih.
luđi od nas ostalih.
06:26
Because I'll show you where there might be a few glitches
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Jer, pokazaću vam moguće
tehničke začkoljice
tehničke začkoljice
06:29
in evolution. Okay, let me just explain this to you.
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u evoluciji.
Dakle, da vam objasnim.
Dakle, da vam objasnim.
06:31
When we were ancient man — (Laughter) —
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Kad smo bili drevni ljudi... (smeh)
06:35
millions of years ago, and we suddenly felt threatened
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milionima godina unazad i
bili suočeni sa opasnošću...
bili suočeni sa opasnošću...
06:39
by a predator, okay? — (Laughter) —
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zbog grabljivaca, može?
(Smeh)
(Smeh)
06:42
we would — Thank you. I drew these myself. (Laughter)
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tad bismo... Hvala vam.
Sama sam crtala. (Smeh)
Sama sam crtala. (Smeh)
06:45
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. (Applause)
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Hvala mnogo. Hvala vam.
Hvala. (Aplauz)
Hvala. (Aplauz)
06:49
Thank you. Anyway, we would fill up with our own adrenaline
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Hvala. Nego, napunili bismo se
našim adrenalinom
našim adrenalinom
06:53
and our own cortisol, and then we'd kill or be killed,
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i našim kortizolom i onda
bismo ubili ili bili ubijeni,
bismo ubili ili bili ubijeni,
06:56
we'd eat or we'd be eaten, and then suddenly we'd de-fuel,
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pojeli ili bili pojedeni
i odjednom bismo se ispraznili,
i odjednom bismo se ispraznili,
06:59
and we'd go back to normal. Okay.
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i vratili se u normalno
stanje. U redu.
stanje. U redu.
07:01
So the problem is, nowadays, with modern man— (Laughter) —
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Dakle, problem je danas,
kod modernog čoveka... (Smeh)
kod modernog čoveka... (Smeh)
07:06
when we feel in danger, we still fill up with our own chemical
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što se u opasnosti i dalje
punimo našim hemikalijama
punimo našim hemikalijama
07:10
but because we can't kill traffic wardens — (Laughter) —
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ali, pošto ne možemo ubiti
nadzornike... (Smeh)
nadzornike... (Smeh)
07:15
or eat estate agents, the fuel just stays in our body
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ili pojesti agente za nekretnine,
hemikalije ostaju u telu
hemikalije ostaju u telu
07:19
over and over, so we're in a constant state of alarm,
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iznova i iznova, tako da smo
u stalnom stanju uzbuđenosti,
u stalnom stanju uzbuđenosti,
07:22
a constant state. And here's another thing that happened.
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trajnom stanju. A, evo šta još biva.
07:24
About 150,000 years ago, when language came online,
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Pre oko 150.000 godina,
kad smo prikačeni na jezik,
kad smo prikačeni na jezik,
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we started to put words to this constant emergency,
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ovo trajno stanje smo počeli
opisivati, tako da nije bilo
opisivati, tako da nije bilo
07:29
so it wasn't just, "Oh my God, there's a saber-toothed tiger,"
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samo: "Gospode, eno ga sabljasti
tigar!", što je i moglo biti,
tigar!", što je i moglo biti,
07:32
which could be, it was suddenly, "Oh my God, I didn't send the email. Oh my God, my thighs are too fat.
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već se odjednom pojavilo i: "Gospode, nisam
poslala mejl! Butine su mi prevelike!" ,
poslala mejl! Butine su mi prevelike!" ,
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Oh my God, everybody can see I'm stupid. I didn't get invited to the Christmas party!"
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"Gospode, svi vide da sam glupa. Nisu me
pozvali na božićnu žurku!"
pozvali na božićnu žurku!"
07:40
So you've got this nagging loop tape that goes
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U glavi vam je taj
dosadni snimak
dosadni snimak
07:42
over and over again that drives you insane, so,
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koji se ponavlja i ponavlja i
izluđuje vas.
izluđuje vas.
07:45
you see what the problem is? What once made you safe
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Vidite u čemu je problem?
Ono što vas je nekad štitilo,
Ono što vas je nekad štitilo,
07:48
now drives you insane.
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sada vas izluđuje.
07:50
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but somebody has to be.
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Žao mi je što sam glasnik loših
vesti, ali i to neko mora.
vesti, ali i to neko mora.
07:53
Your pets are happier than you are. (Laughter)
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Vaši kućni ljubimci srećniji
su od vas. (Smeh)
su od vas. (Smeh)
07:59
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
08:02
So kitty cat, meow, happy happy happy, human beings, screwed. (Laughter)
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Mac, mac, mac, mjau, srećna,
srećna, ljuska bića -- propala. (Smeh)
srećna, ljuska bića -- propala. (Smeh)
08:07
Completely and utterly -- so, screwed.
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Sasvim i do kraja, dabome, propala.
08:09
But my point is, if we don't talk about this stuff,
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Hoću da kažem, ako ne
pričamo o ovim stvarima
pričamo o ovim stvarima
08:12
and we don't learn how to deal with our lives, it's not going
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i ne naučimo kako se izboriti
sa našim životima,
sa našim životima,
08:14
to be one in four. It's going to be four in four
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neće to biti jedna od četiri
osobe, već četiri od četiri,
osobe, već četiri od četiri,
08:16
who are really, really going to get ill in the upstairs department.
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koje će zaista, zaista, oboleti
na gornjem spratu.
na gornjem spratu.
08:20
And while we're at it, can we please stop the stigma?
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I kad već pričamo o tome, molim vas,
da prestanemo sa žigosanjem?
da prestanemo sa žigosanjem?
08:22
Thank you. (Applause)
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Hvala vam. (Aplauz)
08:29
(Applause) Thank you.
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(Aplauz) Hvala vam.
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Ruby Wax - Comedian and Mental Health ActivistRuby Wax is a loud, funny woman -- who spent much of her comedy career battling depression in silence. Now her work blends mental health advocacy and laughs.
Why you should listen
Winston Churchill called it "the Black Dog" -- a depression that settled over him and drained the flavor from life. Ruby Wax knows the Black Dog well; throughout the '80s and '90s, during a flourishing career as a brash comedian and interviewer in the UK, it trotted at her heels, even while she was interviewing the Duchess of York and sorting through Imelda Marcos' shoes.
After taking a timeout to learn how to manage the condition, Wax produced a stand-up comedy show called "Losing It" that directly addresses her mental health experiences, hilariously but powerfully. And she's started up a new social network called the Black Dog Tribe, which offers a community and support to people with depression. Meanwhile, she's working on her Master's in cognitive therapy.
Also, this year, Ruby was honored as an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for her mental health work.
As she says: "I've always said to myself, if you've got a disability, use it." Read our Q&A with Ruby Wax >>
Ruby is also a visiting professor at The University of Surrey.
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