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Naomi McDougall Jones: What it's like to be a woman in Hollywood
纳奥米·麦克杜格尔·琼斯: 女性在好莱坞的境遇是怎样的
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我们在电影里看到的事物是重要的：它能影响我们的爱好，职业选择，我们的情绪甚至我们的身份。现今，不管是在台前幕后都看不到很多女性的身影 --但是要等到好莱坞醒觉并不能解决问题，纳奥米·麦克杜格尔·琼斯说。在她概述进行全面好莱坞改革的四点计划的同时，快来加入演员和活动家行列吧！
Naomi McDougall Jones - Actress, writer, producer, activist
Naomi McDougall Jones is a vocal advocate and activist for bringing gender parity to film, both on and off screen. Full bio
Naomi McDougall Jones is a vocal advocate and activist for bringing gender parity to film, both on and off screen. Full bio
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I'm going to begin today with a story
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今天我要以一个故事开始
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and end with a revolution.
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并以一场革命结束
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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Are you ready?
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你们准备好了吗？
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Audience: Yes!
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（观众）准备好了！
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Naomi McDougall-Jones: Here's the story.
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故事是这样的
我这一生一直想成为一个演员
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All my life I wanted to be an actress.
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在我很小的时候，我就能够感受到讲故事的魔力
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From the time I was very small,
I could feel the magic of storytelling
I could feel the magic of storytelling
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and I wanted to be a part of it.
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我也想成为其中的一部分
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So, at the ripe age of 21,
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于是，在21岁的成熟年纪
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I graduated from the American
Academy of Dramatic Arts
Academy of Dramatic Arts
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我从纽约市的
美国戏剧艺术学院毕业
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in New York City,
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眼睛明亮，扎着马尾辫，准备好了抵达我应有的位置
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bright-eyed and bushy-tailed,
and ready to take my rightful place
and ready to take my rightful place
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as the next Meryl Streep.
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成为下一个梅丽·史翠普
那是我的祖母，不是梅丽·史翠普
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That's my grandmother, not Meryl Streep.
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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Now, it's important for this story
that you understand
that you understand
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重要的是，你们要知道在这个故事里
我是被一个愤怒的女权主义者抚养长大的
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that I was raised by a raging feminist.
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I mean, just to give you some idea:
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举个例子
在我五六岁着迷于“音乐之声”的时候
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when I was five or six years old
and obsessed with "The Sound of Music,"
and obsessed with "The Sound of Music,"
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我成天跑来跑去
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and running around, singing,
"I am 16 going on 17,"
"I am 16 going on 17,"
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唱着“我16岁将要17岁”
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all day every day,
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my mother sat me down
for a very serious conversation
for a very serious conversation
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我母亲让我坐下和我进行了一次严肃的谈话
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and she said, "OK, look.
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她说，你看
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I'm not going to say
that you can't sing that song,
that you can't sing that song,
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我不是说你不能唱这首歌
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but if you are going to sing that song,
I do need you to understand
I do need you to understand
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但是如果你一定要唱，我需要你明白
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the extremely problematic
gender construct that it reinforces."
gender construct that it reinforces."
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它强化了极有问题的性别构架
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
01:15
So that's where I come from.
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这就是我的成长背景
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So it just honestly never
even occurred to me
even occurred to me
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所以诚实地讲，我从来没有预想过
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that I would be prevented
from doing anything in my life
from doing anything in my life
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仅仅因为我是女性
我会被阻止做任何我想要做的事情
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because I'm a woman.
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01:23
OK. So I graduate.
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毕业之后
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And I start auditioning
and I get work, slowly.
and I get work, slowly.
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我开始面试，慢慢开始接到一些工作
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But I just start noticing
that the parts available for women
that the parts available for women
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但同时我开始认识到，可供女性扮演的角色
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are terrible.
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是非常糟糕的
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But, remember -- I came here
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要记得，我来这里是想要扮演
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to play smart, willful,
complicated, interesting
complicated, interesting
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聪明的、恣意的、丰富的、有趣的
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complex, confident
female characters, right?
female characters, right?
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复杂的以及自信的女性角色，对吧？
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Like Meryl.
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就像梅丽那样
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And all of the sudden,
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可是突然之间
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I am wrestling with 300 other
gorgeous, talented women
gorgeous, talented women
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我在和其他300个优秀的、有才华的女性竞争
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to play ...
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为了表演这样的戏份……
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"[Female] No dialogue.
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“［女性］没有台词。”
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The character only needs
to stand on a balcony,
to stand on a balcony,
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“该角色只需要站在阳台上，”
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look forlorn, and walk back
inside the house.
inside the house.
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“神情绝望，然后走回到房间里。”
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Only partial nudity."
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“只有部分身体裸露。”
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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"[Sarah] Brian's love interest.
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“［莎拉］布莱恩的恋爱兴趣对象。”
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Attractive, cute, and flirty,
she is the ideal girl and Brian's prize
she is the ideal girl and Brian's prize
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“引人注意，可爱，娇媚，她是布莱恩在整部影片中”
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throughout the entire film."
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“理想类型的女孩和奖品。”
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"[Mom] A proper Southern belle
who is making peace with the fact
who is making peace with the fact
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“［母亲］一位端庄的南部美女”
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that her only purpose in life
is to tend to her husband."
is to tend to her husband."
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“妥协于她生命中唯一的目的就是服侍她的丈夫这个事实。”
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"[Abby] Must be OK
with a tastefully shot gang rape,
with a tastefully shot gang rape,
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“［艾比］要能够欣然接受一场轮奸，”
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along with performing 19th-century dance."
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“同时会表演19世纪的舞蹈。”
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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Those are actual casting notices.
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这些是真实的剧本笔记
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And so I just mentioned this
to my agent one day,
to my agent one day,
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于是有一天我对我的经纪人提起这个事
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I say, "I feel like I'm not really
going in for parts
going in for parts
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我说，我觉得我并没有真正在扮演
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that I'm actually excited about playing.
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那些我真正为之兴奋的角色
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And he said, "Yeah. I don't really know
what to do with you.
what to do with you.
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然后他说，是的，我不知道该拿你怎么办
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You're too smart for the parts
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你对于这些为20多岁的女性设定的角色来说
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that are being written
for women in their 20s,
for women in their 20s,
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显得太聪明了
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and you're not quite pretty enough
to be the hot one,
to be the hot one,
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但你又没有漂亮到足够扮演性感的角色
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so I think you'll work when you're 35."
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所以我想你应该35岁的时候再来工作
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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And I said, "Oh. That's funny.
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然后我说，噢，真有趣
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I always thought that when you were 35,
you were kind of, like,
you were kind of, like,
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我还一直以为当你35岁的时候，就有点
成为过气的女演员
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over the hill as an actress,
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that you were relegated to playing
20-year-olds' mothers."
20-year-olds' mothers."
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沦落到扮演25岁角色的母亲这样的角色
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And he said, "Yeah --
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然后他说，是的
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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It's just the way it is."
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事情就是如此
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So, maybe a year or so after this,
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大概这之后的一年左右
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I'm having lunch
with an actress friend of mine,
with an actress friend of mine,
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我和我的一位女性演员朋友共进午餐
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and we're talking about
how insane this is.
how insane this is.
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我们在谈论这件事是多么疯狂
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And we decide, you know what? No problem.
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然后我们决定说，没问题
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We'll just make our own movie.
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我们来为自己做电影
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And I'll write and then I'll write it
about two complex female characters.
about two complex female characters.
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我来写剧本，写关于两个复杂的女性角色的故事
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So we do.
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于是我们这样做了
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We set out to make this movie,
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我们着手开始去做这个电影
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and sort of accidentally, we end up hiring
an all-female production team:
an all-female production team:
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然后我们机缘巧合地组建了一个全部由女性组成的团队：
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the writer, directors, producers,
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剧作家、导演、制片人
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and it's a film about two women.
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而且这部片子也是关于两个女人的
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And so pretty soon,
we're sitting in the office
we're sitting in the office
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过了不久，我们坐在
一个成功的男制片人的办公室里
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of a successful male producer,
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and he goes, "OK, girls.
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他说好吧女孩们，你们要知道
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So, you do understand that at some point
you are going to have to hire
you are going to have to hire
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在某个时刻你们总会需要
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a male producer onboard, right?
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雇一个男制片人入伙的，对吧
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Just so that people
will trust you with their money."
will trust you with their money."
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好让别人放心地把钱交给你
一次又一次，总有人告诉我们
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Over and over again, people tell us,
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"Yeah, but people don't really
want to see films about women,
want to see films about women,
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好吧，但是人们并不想看关于女性的电影
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so maybe you should think about
making something else.
making something else.
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所以你们可能要考虑做些别的东西
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It's just the way it is."
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事情就是如此
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So we make the movie, anyway.
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无论如何我们还是做了这个电影
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We scrape together 80,000 dollars,
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我们筹集了8万dao5，做出了这部电影
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and we make it, and it does so well.
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结果它大受欢迎
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It gets into tons of festivals
and we win a lot of awards
and we win a lot of awards
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它入选了无数的电影节，也赢得了许多奖项
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and it's big and exciting.
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它很有影响力，令人激动
但是
我经历过的那些情境还是不断地出现
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But these experiences I've had
just keep rubbing at me.
just keep rubbing at me.
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And so, I just start talking about them,
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所以我就开始公开地谈论这些现象
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first, at Q and A's after
screenings of the film,
screenings of the film,
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先是在电影放映后的问答环节
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and then I get invited to be on panels
and talk at conferences.
and talk at conferences.
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然后我受邀在各种活动中去做访谈
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And the really amazing thing
is that, to begin with,
is that, to begin with,
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非常令人意外的是
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when I'm just talking to audiences
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当我在和观众对谈的时候
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and other people, you know,
coming up in the film industry,
coming up in the film industry,
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其他电影行业的人
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the universal reaction is,
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他们的反应如出一辙
我的天，这样太过分了
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"Oh my god! This is terrible.
What do we do about this?"
What do we do about this?"
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我们该怎么处理这个局面
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But the bigger panels I get on,
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但是随着我参加的访谈规模越来越大
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suddenly an Oscar nominee tells me,
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突然一个奥斯卡提名者告诉我
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"Look, I totally agree
with everything you're saying.
with everything you're saying.
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我完全同意你所说的一切观点
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You just need to be really careful
about where you say it."
about where you say it."
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但是你真的要当心在什么场合说这些话
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An Oscar-winning producer tells me
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一个获得奥斯卡奖项的制片人告诉我
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that she doesn't think it's a good idea
to play the woman card.
to play the woman card.
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她认为打女性主义牌不是个好主意
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It's just the way it is.
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事情本就是这样的
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And I think this is how
sexism continues on in 2016, right?
sexism continues on in 2016, right?
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我想性别歧视就是这样在2016年仍在延续的吧
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For the most part, it happens casually --
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大部分情况下，它是以寻常的方式发生的
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unconsciously, even.
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甚至是下意识的
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It happens because people
are just trying to get along
are just trying to get along
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性别歧视会发生
只是因为人们在试图同现有的体系共处
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within an existing system.
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也许是出于真正的愿望
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It happens, maybe, out of a genuine desire
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去教导一个年轻的女性
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to teach a young woman
the way that the world "just is."
the way that the world "just is."
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世界“本就是”什么样
问题在于，除非我们对此做些什么
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The problem is that unless we do
something about it,
something about it,
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否则世界永远会是这个样子
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that is the way the world will always be.
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所以为什么你们应该来关心这个问题
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So why should you care about this?
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对不对
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Right?
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显然我们当下正面临着一些相对更加重要的世界问题
05:19
I mean, we're facing some rather
significant problems in the world
significant problems in the world
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如果我找不到工作
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just at present,
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而你只能选择看《变形金刚17》
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what does it really matter
if I can't get a job,
if I can't get a job,
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又有多重要呢
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or you're stuck watching
"Transformer 17," right?
"Transformer 17," right?
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05:28
(Laughter)
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05:30
Well, let me put it to you this way:
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好吧，那我这么说吧，
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the year "Jaws" came out,
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《大白鲨》上映的那年
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Americans suddenly started listing
"sharks" among their top 10 major fears.
"sharks" among their top 10 major fears.
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美国人突然开始把“鲨鱼”列入他们的十大恐惧对象
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In 1995, BMW paid the James Bond franchise
three million dollars
three million dollars
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1995年，宝马支付了詹姆斯·邦德特许经营权三百万美元
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to have James Bond switch
from driving an Aston Martin
from driving an Aston Martin
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让詹姆斯·邦德把座驾从阿斯顿·马丁换成宝马Z3
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to a BMW Z3.
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That one move caused so many people
to go out and buy that car,
to go out and buy that car,
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只一个举动，就招致许多人前来买这款车
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that BMW made 240 million dollars
in pre-sales alone.
in pre-sales alone.
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以至于宝马在仅预售中就盈利了2.4亿美元
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The year that "Brave"
and "Hunger Games" came out,
and "Hunger Games" came out,
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《勇敢传说》和《饥饿游戏》上映的那年
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female participation in archery
went up 105 percent.
went up 105 percent.
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女性群体在射箭活动中的参与度提高到了105%
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:10
In fact, studies show
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事实上，有研究表明
06:11
that the movies you watch
don't just affect your hobbies,
don't just affect your hobbies,
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人们看的电影不仅会影响他们的爱好
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they affect your career choices,
your emotions, your sense of identity,
your emotions, your sense of identity,
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它们还会影响职业选择、情绪、身份感
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your relationships, your mental health --
even your marital status.
even your marital status.
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关系、精神健康，甚者婚姻状况
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So now, consider this:
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所以设想一下
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if you have watched
mostly American movies in your lifetime,
mostly American movies in your lifetime,
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如果你一生中所看的电影主要是美国电影
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95 percent of all the films
you have ever seen
you have ever seen
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所有这些电影中有95%的影片
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were directed by men.
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是由男性来导演的
你所看到的所有主角中
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Somewhere between 80 and 90 percent
of all of the leading characters
of all of the leading characters
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有80%到90％的主角都是男性
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that you have ever seen
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were men.
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即使我们只看过去五年
06:46
And even if we just talk about
the last five years,
the last five years,
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你看到电影中的女性角色出现
06:49
55 percent of the time
that you have seen a woman in a movie,
that you have seen a woman in a movie,
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有55%的时间里
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she was naked or scantily clad.
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她都是裸体或者穿着暴露的
06:57
That affects you.
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这会影响你
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That affects all of us.
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这会影响我们所有人
07:02
We actually can't even imagine
how much it affects us,
how much it affects us,
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我们甚至不能想象这到底对我们有多大影响
07:05
because this is all we've ever had.
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因为我们一直以来只有这些
07:07
Stories -- and movies
are just modern stories --
are just modern stories --
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故事 还有电影 只是现代故事
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are not frivolous.
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它们不是肤浅的
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They're actually the mechanism
through which we process
through which we process
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它们其实是我们体验生活经验的方式
07:15
our experience of being alive.
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They're the way
that we understand the world
that we understand the world
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它们是我们理解世界
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and our place in it.
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和理解我们在其中的位置的方式
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They're the way we develop empathy
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它们是我们为那些和我们有不同经历的人
07:23
for people who have experiences
different than our own.
different than our own.
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产生同理心的方式
07:27
And right now, all of that
is being funneled at us
is being funneled at us
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而现在 所有这些东西
都是通过这种单一视角的棱角向我们汇聚的
07:30
through the prism of this one perspective.
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07:33
It's not that it's a bad perspective,
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并不是说这个视角不好
07:34
but don't we deserve to hear them all?
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但是难道我们不应该有权听到不同的声音吗
07:37
How would the world be different
if all of the stories were told?
if all of the stories were told?
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如果所有的故事都被讲出来 世界会多么不同
07:41
So what do we do about this?
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所以我们要怎么做？
07:43
This may be the first time
a lot of you are hearing about this,
a lot of you are hearing about this,
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这也许是你们中许多人第一次听说这个
07:46
but a lot of us within the film industry
have spent years --
have spent years --
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但是我们有很多投身电影行业许的人花了很多年
07:50
a lot of people,
a lot longer than I have --
a lot longer than I have --
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---许多人，比我投入要久得多
07:52
giving speeches and doing panels
and writing articles
and writing articles
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他们发表演讲、参加访谈、 撰写文章
07:55
and doing studies,
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以及从事研究工作
07:56
and really just yelling at Hollywood
to do a better job about this.
to do a better job about this.
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甚至叫骂好莱坞叫他们在这点上做好一点
08:00
I mean, we have really yelled at them.
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我们真的冲他们叫骂过。
08:04
And yet, Paramount and Fox
recently released their slates,
recently released their slates,
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然而最近派拉蒙和福克斯公布了他们的候选名单
08:08
and of the 47 films that they will release
between now and 2017,
between now and 2017,
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从现在起到2018年之间将要上映的47部影片中
08:13
not a single one
will be directed by a woman.
will be directed by a woman.
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没有一部电影是由女性执导的
08:19
So it is beginning to occur to me
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所以我开始察觉到
08:21
that waiting for Hollywood
to grow a conscience
to grow a conscience
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想要等好莱坞有这个觉醒
08:24
may not actually be a winning strategy.
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其实不是一个能赢的策略。
08:27
In fact, it seems to me
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实际上，在我看来
08:28
that whenever there is a small,
ruling class of people
ruling class of people
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只要有一些有权有势有资源
08:31
who have all of the money
and power and resources,
and power and resources,
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的一小部分统治阶层的人存在，
08:34
they're not actually that excited
about giving it up.
about giving it up.
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他们其实一点儿都不想放弃这些。
08:37
And so you don't get change by asking them
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所以即使你问他们或甚至对他们大喊
08:40
or even yelling at them.
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你都不会得到你要的改变。
08:42
You have to make that change happen
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你要想改变
08:45
through a revolution.
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就得通过革命。
08:47
Now, please don't worry --
I promise you, here, now, today,
I promise you, here, now, today,
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别担心 --我答应你，在这里，现在，今天，
08:52
our body count will be very low.
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我们这里的死伤人数会很低。
08:54
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
08:56
So, now before I get to my four-point
plan for the revolution --
plan for the revolution --
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在进入我的四点革命计划之前 --
09:00
yes, I have a four-point plan --
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是，我有个四点计划 --
09:01
I have two pieces of very good
and important news for you.
and important news for you.
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我有两个非常好和重要的消息要告诉你
09:04
Good news number one:
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第一项好消息：
09:06
there are female filmmakers.
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有女性电影制作人
09:08
(Cheers and applause)
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（欢呼和鼓掌）
09:09
Yes! I know!
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是！我知道！
09:11
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
09:12
We exist!
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我们是存在的！
09:14
We actually graduate from film schools
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其实我们从电影学院毕业的毕业率
09:16
at the same rate that men
do -- 50 percent.
do -- 50 percent.
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是和男性相同的 --百分之五十
09:18
So here we have our 50 women.
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所以这里我们有我们的五十位女士
09:21
The problem is that as soon as you get
to the micro-budget film,
to the micro-budget film,
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问题是一旦当你进到微电影，
09:24
so even the very smallest films,
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即使是最小型的电影，
09:26
we're already only directing 18 percent.
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我们女士也才执导了百分之十八
09:29
Then you get to slightly bigger films,
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当你去到稍微大型一点的电影时，
09:31
indies in the $1-5 million budget range,
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--吸资1-5百万刀左右的电影
09:34
and we go down to 12 percent.
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我们下跌到了百分之十二
09:36
So by the time you get
to the studio system,
to the studio system,
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当你来到了虚拟演播室系统时，
09:38
we're only directing
five percent of movies.
five percent of movies.
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我们只执导了百分之五的电影
09:41
Now, I know some of you out there
will look at this
will look at this
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我知道你们当中的某些人会看着这个
09:45
and secretly think to yourselves,
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然后暗暗地想，
09:46
"Well, maybe women
just aren't as good at directing movies."
just aren't as good at directing movies."
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“也许女性导演不那么会执导电影。”
09:50
And that's not a totally insane question.
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那也不是个完全疯狂地问题。
09:52
I mean, we like to believe
the film industry is a meritocracy, right?
the film industry is a meritocracy, right?
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我的意思是，我们都相信电影界是任人唯贤的地方，对吗？
09:56
(Laughs)
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（笑）
09:57
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
09:59
But look at this trajectory.
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但是请看这个，
10:01
Either you have to accept
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要么你必须认同
10:02
that women are actually
five percent as talented as men,
five percent as talented as men,
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女士们的才华其实只有男士们的百分之五，
10:06
which I don't,
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我不认同，
10:08
or you have to accept
that there are serious systemic issues
that there are serious systemic issues
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或者你要接受这当中有一些严重的系统问题
10:11
preventing us from getting
from here to there.
from here to there.
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在阻止我们从这里去到那里。
10:14
But the good news is, we exist,
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但好消息是，我们存在，
10:16
and there is a vast amount
of untapped potential over here.
of untapped potential over here.
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且这里还有很多未开发的潜力。
10:20
Good news number two,
and this is really good news:
and this is really good news:
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第二个好消息，这个真的是个非常好的消息：
10:25
films by and about women make more money.
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女士们制作的电影都有比较大的盈利。
10:29
Yes! Yes! It's true!
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是！是！这是真的！
10:32
(Cheers and applause)
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(欢呼声与掌声）
10:33
It's true.
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是真的。
10:35
The Washington Post
recently released a study
recently released a study
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华盛顿邮报最近发布了一项研究
10:37
showing that films that feature women
make 23 cents more on every dollar
make 23 cents more on every dollar
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研究显示了比起其他没女主角的电影，有女性为主角的电影都在每一美金中
10:42
than films that don't.
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多赚了23分
10:44
Furthermore, my colleagues and I
commissioned a study
commissioned a study
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此外，一项我与我同事委托的研究
10:47
comparing 1,700 films
made over the last five years
made over the last five years
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比较了过去五年来所制作的1700部电影
10:50
and, looking at the average
returns on investment --
returns on investment --
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然后，看平均的投资回酬 --
10:52
so, how much money does that movie make --
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所以，那些电影到底赚了多少钱 --
10:54
comparing if a man or a woman
filled each of the following roles:
filled each of the following roles:
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当我们比较一个男士或女士填补了以下的角色：
10:58
director, producer,
screenwriter and lead actor.
screenwriter and lead actor.
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导演，制作人，编剧和主角。
11:01
And in every single category,
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在每一个类别里，
11:04
the return on investment is higher
if it's a woman.
if it's a woman.
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投资的回酬会在由女性制作的电影里会比较高。
11:08
Fact: women buy 51 percent
of all movie tickets.
of all movie tickets.
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事实：在购买电影票的人当中，有百分之五十一是女性。
11:13
Films by and about women make more money.
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女性制作和关于女性的电影会赚更多钱。
11:15
And of course, at least
some portion of the male population
some portion of the male population
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当然，至少有一部分的男性当中，
11:18
does also like women --
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也喜欢女性 --
11:20
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
11:23
so "women films" are not just for women.
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所以 ”女性电影“ 不只是给女士们看的。
11:26
And yet, Hollywood only targets
18 percent of all of their films
18 percent of all of their films
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虽然如此，好莱坞只把所有电影中的百分之十八
11:30
as "women films."
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对准 ”女性电影。“
11:32
So what you're left with
is a giant underserved audience
is a giant underserved audience
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所以剩下来给你的是一大群得不到满足的观众
11:36
and untapped profit potential.
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和未开发的盈利潜能。
11:40
So we exist, and we have stories to tell.
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所以我们存在，我们有故事叙述。
11:43
We have so many stories to tell.
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我们有很多故事叙述。
11:46
And despite everything we've heard:
you want to see them.
you want to see them.
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尽管我们听到的一切：你想看到它们。
11:51
The problem is, we've got this thing --
let's call it "Hollywood" --
let's call it "Hollywood" --
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但问题时，我们有这个东西 --我们为它取名 ”好莱坞“--
11:55
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
11:57
no, no, I'm just kidding;
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不，不，我只是在开玩笑；
11:58
I've met some very nice
people in Hollywood --
people in Hollywood --
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我也在好莱坞里认识了很多很好的人 --
12:01
Hollywood, preventing us
from getting to you.
from getting to you.
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好莱坞，正阻止我们跟你们接触。
12:04
So here is my four-point plan
for the revolution,
for the revolution,
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所以这是我四点的革命策略，
12:06
and everybody -- man or woman,
in this room or anywhere in the world --
in this room or anywhere in the world --
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所有人 --男或女，在这间房间或在全世界的各个角落--
12:09
is going to get to help.
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能帮得上忙。
12:11
And this revolution is not just for women.
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这革命不只是给女士。
12:13
Anyone who has been disenfranchised,
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任何一个被剥夺权力的人，
12:15
anyone whose story has not been told,
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任何一个故事没被叙述的人，
12:18
the same principles apply,
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适用同样得原则，
12:20
and I really hope we can do
the revolution together.
the revolution together.
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我真的很希望我们可以一起进行这个革命。
12:24
My four-point plan.
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我四点的计划。
12:26
Number one: watch movies.
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第一点：看电影。
12:28
Isn't this a good revolution?
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这不是个很好的革命吗？
12:30
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
12:31
OK, first I want to talk to anyone
who watches movies.
who watches movies.
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好，首先我要与任何一个看电影的人说。
12:34
Who watches movies in here?
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这里有谁是看电影的？
12:35
Great!
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很好！
12:37
Will you pledge to watch one film
by a female filmmaker per month?
by a female filmmaker per month?
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你们能保证一个月看一次由女性制作人制作的电影吗？
12:41
That's it, just start there. Great!
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就这样，就从这里开始。很好！
12:43
If you need help finding them,
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如果你需要帮助去找到它们，
12:44
you can go to the website, moviesbyher.com
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你可以到这个网站，moviesbyher.com
12:48
It's an easily searchable database
of films by women.
of films by women.
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这是一个容易查找的女性电影资料库。
12:52
And as you start watching all movies,
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然后当你开始看所有电影时，
12:55
I just want you to pay attention
to the female characters.
to the female characters.
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我要你专注在女性角色上。
12:58
How many of them are there?
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有多少女性角色？
12:59
What are they wearing?
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她们穿了什么？
13:00
Or not?
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或者没穿？
13:02
Do they get to do cool things,
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她们有得做很酷的事情，
13:03
or are they just there
to emotionally support the men?
to emotionally support the men?
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还是她们的角色只是情感上支持男性角色？
13:07
I'm telling you, once you see this,
you're not going to be able to unsee it.
you're not going to be able to unsee it.
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我告诉你，只要你一看到了这些，你就无法不看它了。
13:10
And as you start noticing this,
it's going to shift your viewing habits.
it's going to shift your viewing habits.
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只要你开始注意这些事情，它便会改变你的观看习惯。
13:14
And this already sizable market
is going to continue to grow.
is going to continue to grow.
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而这已经相当可观的市场将能继续增长。
13:18
Step two: make movies.
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第二步：制作电影。
13:21
So now I'm talking to all
the female filmmakers out there:
the female filmmakers out there:
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现在我在跟所有女性电影制作人说话：
13:24
we need you to be very brave.
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我们需要你们变得非常勇敢。
13:27
It will be harder for you to make movies.
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制作电影对于你来说会变得更加困难。
13:30
In fact, there will be an entire industry
constantly telling you
constantly telling you
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事实上，整个电影界会不断地告诉你
13:34
that your stories don't matter.
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你的故事不重要。
13:36
And we need you to make them, anyway.
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而我们需要你继续制作，不管怎样。
13:38
That 18 percent in the micro-budget
range -- that is on us to fix.
range -- that is on us to fix.
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那在微型电影里的18% --那是我们要解决的问题。
13:43
Don't wait for permission.
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不要等待别人给你许可。
13:45
Don't wait for somebody to pick you,
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不要去等别人选你，
因为95%说他们不会选上你。
13:47
because 95 percent says
they are not going to.
they are not going to.
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13:50
Crowd fund.
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众筹。
13:51
Write letters to eccentric relatives.
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写信给怪癖的亲人。
13:53
I know how hard it is,
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我知道这有多难，
13:54
but you have to make your movies --
now, today, features, not shorts.
now, today, features, not shorts.
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但是你必须制作你的电影 --现在，今天，长片电影，不是短片。
13:59
There is an audience for them,
and they want and need to see them.
and they want and need to see them.
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你的电影会有它的观众，这些观众要也需要看到它们。
14:04
Three: invest in each other.
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三：互相投资。
14:07
Fellow female filmmakers, I feel like
we need to stop wasting so much energy
we need to stop wasting so much energy
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女性电影制作同胞们，我觉得我们需要停止浪费那么多精力
在一个不需要我们的体系里。
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on a system that does not want us.
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We need to find our audience
and invest in cultivating them.
and invest in cultivating them.
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我们要找我们自己的观众，投资去培养观众。
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If we can figure out
how to make our movies
how to make our movies
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如果我们能够弄清楚如何制作我们的电影
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and deliver them
to the audiences that want them,
to the audiences that want them,
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然后把它们传递到想看它们的观众那里去，
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that's it.
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那就可以了。
14:23
That's the whole game.
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那就是我们全部要做的。
14:24
And whatever they're doing in the middle
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无论他们在中间做了什么
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is going to cease to be
quite so important.
quite so important.
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都会渐渐地变得没那么重要了。
14:29
Audiences, invest in us.
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观众们，请投资我们。
14:32
Help us make the movies
that you want to see.
that you want to see.
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帮助我们制作你们想要看的电影。
14:35
If you can give a female filmmaker
25 dollars in a crowdfunding campaign,
25 dollars in a crowdfunding campaign,
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如果你能在一个众筹运动中给一位女性电影制作人25美金，
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great, do that.
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很好，就那样做。
14:40
If you can invest more seriously
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如果你能投资更多，
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and help us over that critical
million-dollar hurdle,
million-dollar hurdle,
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然后帮助我们跨过那个万元危机的栏杆，
就那样做吧。
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do that.
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But invest in seeing
the other half of the story.
the other half of the story.
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但是就在看到另外一半得故事里投资。
14:50
Four: disrupt through business.
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第四：通过商业突破。
14:53
So now I'm talking
to all of the businesspeople
to all of the businesspeople
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所以现在我正对着所有商人和创业家
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and entrepreneurs.
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说话。
14:57
This does not happen
very often in the world,
very often in the world,
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这并不常在这世上发生，
14:59
but right here we have a golden situation
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但在这里我们有一个黄金机缘
15:02
in which you can enact
significant social change
significant social change
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让你能制定重要的社会变化
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while also making money.
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并同时赚取盈利。
15:08
Hollywood is a system ripe for disruption.
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好莱坞是个适合中断的系统。
15:11
The old models of financing
and distribution are crumbling --
and distribution are crumbling --
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陈旧的金融和分配模式正在崩溃 --
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please come in and disrupt it.
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请进来突破它。
15:16
I'll give you an example.
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让我给你个例子。
15:18
Right now, with some incredible women,
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现在，有着一些不可思议的女士们支持，
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I am launching the "The 51 Fund."
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我正推出 ”51 基金。”
15:22
It's a venture capital fund
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这是一个风险投资基金
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that will finance films written, directed
and produced by women
and produced by women
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来资助那些女性编剧，指导及制作
15:27
in that critical $1-5 million range.
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在 $1万- 5 万资金的电影。
15:31
We will give a significant number
of female filmmakers
of female filmmakers
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我们会给一笔很大的资金让女电影制作人
15:33
the chance to make their movies
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有机会制作她们的电影
15:35
and we will deliver them
to the audiences who want them.
to the audiences who want them.
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而我们也会把这些电影送到那些有需求的观众那里去。
15:38
Good for equality, good for business.
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这有利于平等，也有利于商务。
15:41
But that's only one example, we need more.
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但这也只是一个例子，我们需要更多。
15:43
There is room for so many more.
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还有空间能容下更多。
15:46
So I say to you:
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所以我现在对你说：
15:47
Hollywood is leaving money on the table.
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好莱坞就把钱留在桌子上。
15:50
Come pick it up.
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快来把它取走。
15:52
(Applause)
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（掌声）
15:56
Now, all of this may seem like a lot,
but it is actually so doable.
but it is actually so doable.
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现在，这些可能看起来很难，但其实它是非常可行的。
16:00
Entrenched systems don't change
because you ask the people in charge,
because you ask the people in charge,
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根深蒂固地系统不会因为你向负责人请求而有所改变，
16:04
they change because all of the people
who don't have what they want
who don't have what they want
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它们之所以会改变，是因为那些没得到自己想要的东西的人们
16:07
rise up and make that change happen.
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站起来了并改变一切。
16:10
And don't you want to?
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你不想有改变吗？
16:12
I want to see what the other
51 percent of the population has to say.
51 percent of the population has to say.
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我要看看另外的百分之五十一的人口有什么要说
16:17
I want to watch movies
that teach me about people
that teach me about people
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我要看那些能教我关于
其他跟我不一样的人的电影。
16:19
who are different than I am.
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16:21
I want to see women's bodies on film
that aren't perfect.
that aren't perfect.
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我想在电影里看到女性的身体其实不完美
16:26
I want to give our little boys the chance
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我要给我们的小男孩
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to empathize with female characters
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同情女性角色的机会
16:30
so that they can become more whole men.
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这样他们就可以变得更加完整。
16:33
And I definitely want
to give a little girl
to give a little girl
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而我也一定要给一位
可能没有真实的榜样的小女孩
16:35
who may not have a real-life role model
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the chance to watch movies
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一个机会去看电影
16:38
and see women doing everything
she dreams of achieving.
she dreams of achieving.
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并看到电影里的女人们在做她渴望实现的梦想。
16:42
This is not about
making one industry better.
making one industry better.
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这不是因为要使一个行业变得更好。
16:45
This is about making a better world.
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这是关于创造一个更好的世界。
16:48
Will you help?
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你会帮忙吗？
16:50
The time for waiting is over.
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等待的时间已经结束了。
16:52
The time for the revolution is now.
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革命的时机就是现在。
16:54
(Cheers and applause)
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（欢呼和掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Naomi McDougall Jones - Actress, writer, producer, activistNaomi McDougall Jones is a vocal advocate and activist for bringing gender parity to film, both on and off screen.
Why you should listen
Naomi McDougall Jones is an award-winning actress, writer, producer and women-in film activist based in New York City.
McDougall Jones wrote, produced and starred in the 2014 indie feature film, Imagine I'm Beautiful, which took home 12 awards on the film festival circuit, including four Best Pictures and, for McDougall Jones, three Best Actress Awards and The Don Award for Best Independently Produced Screenplay of 2014. Imagine I’m Beautiful is a "haunting and empathetic" psychological drama that dissects the fine line between self-invention and destruction. The film received a 10-city theatrical and digital release and is now available on iTunes, Amazon, and GooglePlay.
McDougall Jones's second feature film, Bite Me, is currently in post-production, with an expected 2018 premiere. Bite Me is a subversive romantic comedy about the real-life subculture of people who believe that they're vampires and the IRS agent who audits them. In addition to writing the screenplay, McDougall Jones also stars in the film. She is also currently at work on her third feature screenplay, an as-yet-untitled magical realism film that explores themes of identity, legacy and gender through a modern-day seven-month pregnant woman's unexpected interaction with the brilliant, eccentric and deceased inventor John Hays Hammond, Jr.
McDougall Jones is a vocal advocate and activist for bringing gender parity to film, both on and off screen. She has teamed up with the former CFO of the City of Chicago, Lois Scott, to found The 51 Fund, a VC investment fund will finance films written, directed and produced by women. McDougall Jones is also the Founder of The Women in Film Revolution, the first and only centralized mechanism for leaders of US-based organizations working to bring parity to film to communicate, collaborate, and become a unified movement for change.
McDougall Jones is at work on a book, "The Wrong Kind of Woman: Dismantling the Gods of Hollywood," which will be published by Beacon Press in Fall 2019.
She lives in Brooklyn, NY with her husband, Stephen. She grew up in Aspen, Colorado and attended Cornel University before graduating from The American Academy of Dramatic Arts.
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