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Alexis Charpentier: How record collectors find lost music and preserve our cultural heritage
亚历克西斯贝纳: 唱片收藏家是怎么寻找遗失的音乐并且保存我们的文化遗产的？
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历年来，唱片收藏家通过挖掘因为艺术家们的疏忽而造成的来历模糊的唱片，在保存音乐和文化遗产上起到了至关重要的作用。亚历克西斯贝纳分享他对唱片的热爱，以及收藏家们如何使那些被遗忘的音乐第二次被人们听到的故事。通过这次有趣的，提神的讲话，我们可以学习更多的唱片挖掘文化（或许，也可以养成一个新的爱好）。
Alexis Charpentier - Record digger, DJ, music entrepreneur
Alexis Charpentier (aka Lexis from Music Is My Sanctuary) believes record collectors, music curators and DJs serve a crucial role as cultural preservationists and alternative voices to mainstream music platforms. Full bio
Alexis Charpentier (aka Lexis from Music Is My Sanctuary) believes record collectors, music curators and DJs serve a crucial role as cultural preservationists and alternative voices to mainstream music platforms. Full bio
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从12岁起，我开始痴迷于唱片，
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I became obsessed with records
when I was about 12 years old.
when I was about 12 years old.
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My parents used to give me money to eat
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我父母过去常常会给我钱来买东西吃，
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and on most days, instead of eating,
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但是我绝大多数钱都不是用在吃上，
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I would save it and buy myself
a record at the end of the week.
a record at the end of the week.
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而是省下来，在周末给自己买唱片。
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Here I am with a gigantic Walkman
that's about half my leg --
that's about half my leg --
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这是带着一个笨重随身听的我，
大概有我半条腿那么长。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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It actually looks more like a VCR.
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其实这随身听更像一个录像机。
（笑声）
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(Laughter)
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所以当我还是一个青少年的时候，
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So when I was a teenager,
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the obsession of buying cassettes,
vinyls and CDs just kept growing.
vinyls and CDs just kept growing.
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我对购买录音带、
唱片、光盘的痴迷日益加深。
唱片、光盘的痴迷日益加深。
我甚至在一家唱片店工作过很多年，
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I was even working
in a record store for many years
in a record store for many years
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报酬就只是唱片。
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and only ever got paid in records.
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One day I realized
that I had thousands of records more
that I had thousands of records more
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直到有一天，
我意识到我已经有几千张唱片，
我意识到我已经有几千张唱片，
我一生都听不完。
00:46
than I could even listen to in my life.
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我变成了和大多数人一样：
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I became what many of us are:
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record junkies --
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唱片瘾者，或者唱片挖掘人，
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or record diggers,
as we like to call ourselves.
as we like to call ourselves.
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我们喜欢这样称呼自己。
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Record digging, as the name suggests,
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唱片挖掘，就像它的名字暗示的那样，
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means getting your hands dirty.
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意味着会把我们的手弄脏。
它的意思是花数小时的时间在仓库，
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It means spending hours
rummaging through warehouses,
rummaging through warehouses,
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church basements,
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在教堂地下室，
在后院的拍卖，在唱片店仔细寻找。
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yard sales, record stores --
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只是为了找到那些
已经被遗忘了几十年的唱片，
已经被遗忘了几十年的唱片，
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all to find records that have been
forgotten for decades.
forgotten for decades.
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Records that have become cultural waste.
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那些已经成为了文化浪费的唱片。
19世纪30年代年到60年代间唱片收藏家
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The earliest record collectors
from about the '30s to the 1960s
from about the '30s to the 1960s
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found and preserved
so many important records
so many important records
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寻找并保存如此之多
本应该已经消失的的重要唱片。
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that would have been lost forever.
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In those days, most
cultural and public institutions
cultural and public institutions
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在当时，大多数的文化和公共机构
不太关注这些宝贝的保存。
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didn't really care
to preserve these treasures.
to preserve these treasures.
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在很多时候，
他们将它们扔到垃圾堆里。
他们将它们扔到垃圾堆里。
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In many cases, they were just
throwing them into the garbage.
throwing them into the garbage.
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Record digging is a lifestyle.
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唱片挖掘是一种生活方式。
我们当然痴迷于晦涩难懂的唱片，
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We're absolutely obsessed
with obscure records,
with obscure records,
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昂贵的唱片，投入多的唱片
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expensive records, dollar-bin records,
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crazy artwork,
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疯狂的唱片
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sub-subgenres.
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以及主题很次的唱片。
包括那些唱片发行时的
一些最微小的细节。
一些最微小的细节。
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And all of the tiniest details
that go with each release.
that go with each release.
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When the media talks
about the vinyl revival
about the vinyl revival
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当媒体提及近年发生的
黑胶唱片的复苏，
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that's been happening
these last few years,
these last few years,
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他们总是忘记提起那些
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they often forget
to mention this community
to mention this community
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that's been keeping the vinyl
and the tradition and the culture alive
and the tradition and the culture alive
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让黑胶唱片这种传统和文化幸存的团体，
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for these last 30 years.
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在过去的30年。
这是一个有点紧密结合
但是竞争激烈的社会，
但是竞争激烈的社会，
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It's a very close-knit
but competitive society, a little bit,
but competitive society, a little bit,
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because when you're hunting
for extremely rare records,
for extremely rare records,
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因为当你狩猎极端稀少的唱片的时候，
02:09
if you miss your opportunity,
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如果你错过了这个机会，
你可能一生都见不到这张唱片了。
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you might not see that record
ever in your life.
ever in your life.
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But I guess the only person in here
truly impressed by record collectors
truly impressed by record collectors
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但是我猜这里唯一对唱片收藏家留下深刻印象的
02:18
is another record collector.
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是另一位唱片收藏家。
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To the outside world,
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在其他人看来，
我们唱片收藏家看起来
像一群很怪异的反常的人。
像一群很怪异的反常的人。
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we seem like a very weird,
oddball group of individuals.
oddball group of individuals.
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但是——
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And --
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（笑声）
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(Laughter)
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And they're mostly right.
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他们多半是对的。
所有我知道的唱片
收藏家都是迷恋唱片的疯子。
收藏家都是迷恋唱片的疯子。
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All the record collectors I know
are obsessive maniacs.
are obsessive maniacs.
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我知道在某些方面我们都很疯狂。
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We know we're all crazy in some way.
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But I think we should be viewed
a little bit more like this.
a little bit more like this.
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但是我觉得我们应该被看成这样。
（笑声）
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(Laughter)
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我们是音乐界的考古学家。
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We're music archaeologists.
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我们在搜寻这些遗失的艺术品
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We're hunting down the lost artifact.
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我们都有一张可以付出所有的唱片清单，
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We all have a list of records that we
would do anything to get our hands on,
would do anything to get our hands on,
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that we've been chasing for years,
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这些唱片我们已经追寻很多年了。
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and we actually call this list
our "holy grails."
our "holy grails."
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事实上，我们将这张清单称为我们的“圣杯”。
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When you're digging for records,
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当你在挖掘唱片的时候，
你会被你不知道的音乐包围着，
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you're surrounded by music you don't know.
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你会被人们曾经相信的未知，
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You're surrounded by mystery
and by all these dreams --
and by all these dreams --
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records that people once believed in.
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和这些梦包围。
想象一下，
有千千万万的艺术家本应该成为传奇，
有千千万万的艺术家本应该成为传奇，
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Imagine the thousands of artists
who were destined to be legends
who were destined to be legends
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但是，因为不同的原因，他们被遗忘了。
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but for various reasons,
were just overlooked.
were just overlooked.
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Many of these records
only exist in a handful of copies,
only exist in a handful of copies,
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许多的这些唱片只现存几个副本，
甚至有一些还没有被找到，
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and some have never even been found,
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也没有人听过。
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never been heard.
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They're literally endangered species.
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严格来说，它们是濒危的种类。
我告诉你一个故事，
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I'll tell you a story
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对我来说，它涵括了唱片挖掘的价值。
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that for me sort of sums up
the value of the work of record diggers.
the value of the work of record diggers.
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03:26
The story of a brilliant
Montreal musician and composer.
Montreal musician and composer.
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这个故事是有关一个
杰出的蒙特利尔音乐家及作曲家，
杰出的蒙特利尔音乐家及作曲家，
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Henri-Pierre Noël
was born and raised in Haiti,
was born and raised in Haiti,
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Henri-Pierre Noël
他在海地出生长大。
但是他在美国和比利时短暂地住过。
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but he lived briefly
in the US and in Belgium.
in the US and in Belgium.
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他本打算在蒙特利尔停留两周，
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He passed through Montreal
what was supposed to be for two weeks,
what was supposed to be for two weeks,
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结果他在那里住了40年
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but he ended up
staying for the next 40 years.
staying for the next 40 years.
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他在年轻的时候学过钢琴，
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When he was young,
he learned to play piano
he learned to play piano
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自己开发出了一种
特别的方式来弹钢琴：
特别的方式来弹钢琴：
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and developed a very particular way
of playing his instrument:
of playing his instrument:
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极快，几近于只是震动的方式。
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very fast and almost like a percussion.
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他的风格结合了海地音乐及民俗
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His style was a mix
of his Haitian influences and folklore
of his Haitian influences and folklore
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和美国音乐对他的影响。
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mixed with the American influences
that he grew up hearing.
that he grew up hearing.
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因此，他结合了放克和爵士。
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So he created a mix
of compas mixed with funk and jazz.
of compas mixed with funk and jazz.
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As a young man,
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作为一个年轻人，
他跟随演出乐队在美国及欧洲巡回演奏，
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he played and toured with live bands
in the US and in Europe,
in the US and in Europe,
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但是在他移民到加拿大之前，
他没有出唱片或记录一首歌。
他没有出唱片或记录一首歌。
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but had never recorded an album
or a song before moving to Canada.
or a song before moving to Canada.
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1979年，
他在蒙特利尔发行了他的第一张专辑，
他在蒙特利尔发行了他的第一张专辑，
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It was in Montreal in 1979
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这张专辑叫做《钢琴》。
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that he released
his first album called, "Piano."
his first album called, "Piano."
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Completely on his own,
on Henri-Pierre Noël Records.
on Henri-Pierre Noël Records.
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他的这张专辑完全是靠他自己，
他制作了他当时能支付的2000张唱片。
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He only made what he could afford:
2,000 copies of the record.
2,000 copies of the record.
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The record received
a little bit of airplay,
a little bit of airplay,
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这张唱片只有一点点的播放量，
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a little bit of support
in Canada and in Haiti,
in Canada and in Haiti,
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只得到来自少数加拿大人及海地人的支持，
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but without a big label behind it,
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但是唱片没有戴上一个很醒目的标签，
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it was very, very difficult.
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想要成功是非常非常难的。
在当时，
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Back then,
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如果你的音乐没有在主流电台上播放，
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if your record wasn't getting played
on mainstream radio,
on mainstream radio,
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如果你的音乐没有纳入点唱机内，
或者你没有
或者你没有
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if you weren't in jukeboxes
or if you weren't invited to play on TV,
or if you weren't invited to play on TV,
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被电视台邀请出演，
你成功的几率非常小。
你成功的几率非常小。
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the odds were completely against you.
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在以前，一个独立艺术家发行一张专辑
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Releasing an album
as an independent artist
as an independent artist
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was so much more difficult
than it is today,
than it is today,
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比现在难得多，
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both in terms of being heard
and just distributing the thing.
and just distributing the thing.
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在被听众听到以及市场分配方面。
因此，很快，他发行了第二张专辑，
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So, soon after,
he released a second album,
he released a second album,
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kept a busy schedule playing piano
in various clubs in the city,
in various clubs in the city,
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在城市的不同地点弹钢琴，
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but his records started
to accumulate dust slowly.
to accumulate dust slowly.
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但是，他的唱片在慢慢积灰，
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And those 2,000 copies
in the span of 30 years
in the span of 30 years
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而他的那2000张唱片在30年的时间
不断消失，
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easily started to get lost
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until only a few copies
in the world remained.
in the world remained.
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直到全世界只剩几张唱片。
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Then in the mid-2000s,
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然后在2005年左右，
一个蒙特利尔唱片挖掘家，科巴尔
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a Montreal record digger
that goes by the name Kobal
that goes by the name Kobal
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正在做每周几轮的唱片搜寻，
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was doing his weekly rounds
of just hunting for records.
of just hunting for records.
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He was in a flea market
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在跳蚤市场，
被数千张脏的、
布满灰尘的、发霉的唱片包围。
布满灰尘的、发霉的唱片包围。
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surrounded by thousands
of other dirty, dusty, moldy records.
of other dirty, dusty, moldy records.
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就是在那里他找到了《钢琴》。
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That's where he found the "Piano" album.
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He wasn't specifically looking for it.
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他那时候并不是专门来找它的。
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Actually, you could say
it sort of found him.
it sort of found him.
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可以说更像是唱片找了他，
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You could also say that after 20 years
of record digging every single week,
of record digging every single week,
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也可以说在20年
每周不停的唱片寻找之后，
每周不停的唱片寻找之后，
他养成了可以挖到宝藏的第六感。
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he had developed a sixth sense
for finding the gold.
for finding the gold.
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他带走了那张唱片并调查
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He took the record and inspected it:
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the front, the artwork,
the back, the liner notes,
the back, the liner notes,
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正面，音乐，背后以及内页。
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and he was intrigued by the fact
that this Haitian musician made a record
that this Haitian musician made a record
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他被一件事情吸引了，
那就是这位海地音乐家是在
70年代后期的魁北克发行这张专辑的，
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in Quebec in the late '70s,
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so he was intrigued.
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所以他好奇了。
他拿出他那个在唱片探寻中
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He took out his little,
plastic, portable turntable
plastic, portable turntable
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that he brought with him
whenever he was on these digging quests
whenever he was on these digging quests
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随时携带的小便携塑料电唱盘，
06:02
and put the record on.
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并将唱片装上去。
我们也做一样的事情吧。
06:04
So why don't we do the same thing?
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（音乐）
06:14
(Music)
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他立即爱上了这音乐，
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He fell in love with the music instantly,
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他必须得知道它背后的故事。
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but he had to know
the backstory behind it.
the backstory behind it.
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He didn't know where it came from.
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他不知道这张唱片的来历。
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He knew the artist,
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他知道那那个艺术家
在发行的时候
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at the time of the recording,
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是住在蒙特利尔的，
06:57
was living in Montreal,
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几个月里，他找到Noël的踪迹。
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so for months, he tried to track him down.
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他甚至在唱片封套里
找到了Noël's的名片。
找到了Noël's的名片。
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He even found Noël's business card
inside the record sleeve.
inside the record sleeve.
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这就是Noël 的动手能力。
07:05
That's how DIY Henri-Pierre Noël was.
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那么，他在唱片封套里
找到了他的名片，
找到了他的名片，
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So he found the card
inside the record sleeve --
inside the record sleeve --
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当然，他有试图打这个电话，
07:13
of course he did try to call,
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07:14
but after 30 years,
the number didn't work anymore.
the number didn't work anymore.
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但是30年过去了，
这个电话号码已经失效了。
这个电话号码已经失效了。
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So it was only in Belgium,
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只有在比利时，
那个这位艺术家曾经住过的地方，
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where the artist had once lived,
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科巴尔终于
找到了一个与Noël认识的人，
找到了一个与Noël认识的人，
07:22
that Kobal managed to find someone
that knew the artist personally
that knew the artist personally
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and gave him the contact.
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并要到了联系方式。
所以当他终于见到这位艺术家的时候，
07:27
So when he finally
sat down with the artist,
sat down with the artist,
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科巴尔承诺总有一天
要找到机会发行这张唱片。
要找到机会发行这张唱片。
07:30
he made him a promise to someday
find a way to get the album rereleased.
find a way to get the album rereleased.
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然后，科巴尔把一个
名叫Wah Wah 45s的唱片和
名叫Wah Wah 45s的唱片和
07:37
He then arranged for a British label
called Wah Wah 45s
called Wah Wah 45s
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to get the two albums reissued.
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Noël的唱片一起重新发行。
07:43
And what happens very often is,
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在专辑的重新发行项目中，
阻碍是：
07:45
in these reissue projects,
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想要找到母磁带是非常难的
07:46
that it becomes very difficult
to find the master tapes --
to find the master tapes --
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07:49
the original recording of the sessions.
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母磁带是最初的录音，
艺术可能会被火灾、洪涝或地震毁坏，
07:52
Art can be destroyed
by fires, floods, earthquakes,
by fires, floods, earthquakes,
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被人扔掉，
07:55
thrown in the garbage,
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或者永远遗失。
07:56
or just lost forever.
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但幸运的是，
07:57
But thankfully,
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the Henri-Pierre Noël tapes were safe
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Noël的磁带幸存了下来，
08:00
and they were ready for remastering.
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并且随时可以重新灌录。
08:03
The record was finally rereleased
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这张唱片最终被重新发行，
08:05
and received praise from music critics,
DJs and listeners worldwide --
DJs and listeners worldwide --
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收到了来自音乐评论家们，
DJ们及世界各地的听众的褒扬，
08:10
the praise that it should have
received in 1979.
received in 1979.
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本应该在1979年就应该收到的表扬。
Noël很受鼓舞，重启了他的音乐事业，
08:15
The artist was so inspired that he decided
to revive his music career,
to revive his music career,
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回到舞台，为新的观众表演。
08:18
get back on a stage,
and play for new audiences.
and play for new audiences.
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The artist, now in his 60s,
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这位现在60多岁的艺术家告诉我：
08:25
told me, "This changed everything for me.
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“这件事改变了我的一切，
我的计划从退休，
08:27
I went from planning my retirement
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到去英国广播公司的电台，
08:29
to playing on the BBC Radio in London,
and on Radio Canada and more."
and on Radio Canada and more."
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加拿大和其他电台演出。”
同时，这也给了他
08:33
But also it gave him a chance to play
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第一次在他的三个儿子面前表演的机会。
08:35
in front of his three sons
for the first time.
for the first time.
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To me, this story shows perfectly
the work of record diggers at its best.
the work of record diggers at its best.
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与我而言，这个故事最完美的展现了
唱片挖掘工作者的价值。
远不是唱片的稀少及价值，
08:43
Beyond the rarity and the dollar value --
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08:45
and I'll be honest,
we're totally obsessed by that --
we're totally obsessed by that --
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老实说，是因为这份工作
08:48
the true beauty
is to give art a second chance;
is to give art a second chance;
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能给艺术第二次的机会
让艺术不被遗忘。
08:51
to save art from oblivion.
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一个优秀的唱片挖掘工作者的工作
08:54
The work of a good record digger
is a constant loop of three phases.
is a constant loop of three phases.
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包含三个循环的阶段。
08:57
The first thing we do is hunt.
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第一阶段是搜寻唱片。
我们日复一日年复一年
09:00
We spend hours, days, years of our lives
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在肮脏、布满灰尘的唱片箱子里翻找。
09:02
rummaging through
dirty and dusty record bins.
dirty and dusty record bins.
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09:05
Everything that we can do
to find our hands on the gold.
to find our hands on the gold.
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为了可以找到珍品，我们可以做任何事。
当然，你可以在网上找到好的唱片，
09:10
Yes, you can find good records online,
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但是那些藏的最深的珍宝，
09:12
but for the deepest treasures,
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09:13
you need to get off the couch
and into the wild.
and into the wild.
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需要你离开沙发，去荒野中。
09:16
That's why we call it record digging
and not record clicking.
and not record clicking.
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这就是为什么这份工作是“挖掘唱片”，
而不是“点击唱片”。
（笑声）
09:19
(Laughter)
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所以，我们就是音乐考古学家。
09:20
So what we are is music archaeologists.
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09:23
But then the next thing
we do is we gather.
we do is we gather.
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我们下一阶段要做的就是收集。
基于个人品味，专业知识以及收藏目标。
09:25
Based on our taste,
expertise, personal agenda,
expertise, personal agenda,
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我们认真的甄选要留下那些唱片，
09:27
we choose carefully which records to save,
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哪些唱片对于我们有意义。
09:30
which records mean something to us.
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We then try and find out every
little thing we can about that record --
little thing we can about that record --
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然后，我们会试图查明
关于这张唱片的所有信息：
关于这张唱片的所有信息：
艺术家、发行公司、
09:35
the artist, the label
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09:37
and supervital information
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以及其他重要的信息，
09:39
like "Who's that playing trumpet
on track three?"
on track three?"
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比如“小号是由谁演奏的呢？”
然后我们将这些信息文字化，归档，
09:42
Then we file them, we contextualize them,
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09:44
and we keep them safe.
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并确保这些文档的安全。
我们是音乐档案保管员。
09:46
We are music archivists.
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最后一个阶段是分享。
09:48
And the last thing we do
to close the loop is we share.
to close the loop is we share.
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09:51
Most record diggers that I know
have some sort of a way
have some sort of a way
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我知道的大多数唱片挖掘者中，
都有一条渠道来分享他们的发现，
来赞扬艺术家，
来赞扬艺术家，
09:54
to share their discovery
and elevate the artist
and elevate the artist
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通过唱片再发行，
09:57
through an album reissue,
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一篇网络文章，一期电台节目。
09:58
a web article, a radio show.
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10:01
We give records back
their rightful place in music history.
their rightful place in music history.
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我们将唱片放回
它在音乐历史上本该有的位置。
它在音乐历史上本该有的位置。
我们是风向创造者与监护者。
10:05
We are tastemakers and curators.
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我们是音乐理论家。
10:07
We are musicologists.
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所以于我自己
10:09
So for myself
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10:10
and most of the record collectors
I've encountered in 20 years,
I've encountered in 20 years,
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以及这20年我遇到的
多数唱片收藏家而言，
多数唱片收藏家而言，
10:13
I think that we all
have some sort of an outlet
have some sort of an outlet
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我想我们都有某些分享
我们发现的渠道。
10:16
for these discoveries.
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我认为这是在对这件事情的迷恋中，
10:17
I think it's our way to keep our sanity
and sort of sense of purpose
and sort of sense of purpose
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10:21
in this very maddening obsession,
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保持明智以及目的性的方式，
因为这有时候是有点孤独的。
10:24
because it can be sort of a lonely one.
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10:26
But I think we also do it
because it serves the human need
because it serves the human need
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但是我想我们的目的，
还有因为唱片挖掘服务
10:29
to pass along cultural knowledge.
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人类将文化传递下去的需求。
说到引导的必要性，
10:31
Speaking of the need for curation,
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10:34
in an era of overwhelming choice,
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在这个充斥着各种选择的时代，
10:36
it's been demonstrated
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有一件事情已经被证实了，
那就是，事实上，太多的选择会阻碍发现。
10:37
that too much choice
actually hinders discovery.
actually hinders discovery.
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10:39
For example,
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举个例子，
如果你想在Netflix上找点东西看，
10:41
if you're trying to watch
something on Netflix,
something on Netflix,
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10:43
you're actually only browsing
through a catalog of 6,000 titles.
through a catalog of 6,000 titles.
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你其实需要浏览6000个标题的目录。
现在和Spotify比较，
10:48
Now, compare that with Spotify;
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如果你想找点音乐来听，
10:50
if you want to pick
something to listen to,
something to listen to,
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10:52
you're browsing through a catalog
of 30 million songs.
of 30 million songs.
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你需要浏览三千万首歌的目录。
10:56
So I think as you can see,
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所以我想如你所见，
10:57
this notion of paralysis by choice
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比如，选择的阻碍性这个概念，
10:59
affects music more than movies,
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对音乐的阻碍比之电影更大。
11:02
for example.
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现在有几个研究
11:04
And there's a few studies
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11:05
that are starting to show
the effects of this.
the effects of this.
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开始调查过多选择的影响。
英国的音乐市场显示，
11:07
A recent look at the UK music market
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11:09
shows that the top one percent of artists
in the UK are actually earning 77 percent
in the UK are actually earning 77 percent
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事实上仅1%的英国音乐艺术家占据了
总行业77%的总收入。
11:14
of the total revenues
inside the music industry.
inside the music industry.
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这是2013年的调查，
11:17
That's 2013,
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11:19
and that's progressively getting worse,
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现在的情况对部分人越来越糟糕，
11:22
or progressing.
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或越来越好。
如果你在这1%内，我敢说你很高兴。
11:24
Anyway, if you're in the one percent,
I'm sure you're happy.
I'm sure you're happy.
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11:26
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
所以，这个对于这种情况我认为，
11:28
So the takeaway for me is
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11:31
it's easier for people
to listen to music than ever before.
to listen to music than ever before.
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相比以前，人们很容易就能听到音乐，
11:36
People have more music
at their disposal than ever before,
at their disposal than ever before,
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人们有更多的音乐供他们选择，
11:39
yet people choose to listen to more
of the same music than ever before.
of the same music than ever before.
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但是人们选择听类型差不多的音乐。
这挺令人伤心的。
11:43
And that's a sad thing.
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在音乐的调查、挖掘和传导活动的激励下，
11:47
Inspired by my love for music research,
record digging and curation,
record digging and curation,
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11:51
I started a website called
"Music Is My Sanctuary" in 2007.
"Music Is My Sanctuary" in 2007.
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我在2007年创建了
一个名叫“音乐是我的圣地”的网站。
一个名叫“音乐是我的圣地”的网站。
11:56
Our slogan has always been
"Future Classics and Forgotten Treasures."
"Future Classics and Forgotten Treasures."
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我们的标语一直都是“未来的经典音乐，被遗忘的宝藏”，
这个标语表达了我们对于发现音乐，
11:59
And it shows our love
for discovering music
for discovering music
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以及给人们介绍古老
和新颖的音乐的热爱。
和新颖的音乐的热爱。
12:02
and introducing music both old and new.
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12:04
From humble beginnings,
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我们从无人知晓，
到如今拥有大量听众，
12:06
we've built a worldwide platform
with a massive audience
with a massive audience
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12:09
with over 100 collaborators.
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和超过100位合作伙伴，
我们已经创作了超过10000首曲目，
12:11
We've created over
10,000 pieces of content,
10,000 pieces of content,
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12:13
over 500 hours of audio content.
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超过500小时的音频内容。
12:16
Our audience consists of people
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我们的观众是那些
不满足于主流音乐频道的人。
12:18
who just want more
than what's being offered to them
than what's being offered to them
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12:20
by mainstream music channels.
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12:22
They want to do --
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他们想要，
他们想挖的更深，
12:24
they want to dig deeper,
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12:25
but they don't necessarily
have 20 hours a week like us nerds,
have 20 hours a week like us nerds,
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但是他们没必要我们这些呆子一样，
每周花20个小时。
12:30
so they trust us to do that for them.
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所以他们相信我们可以帮他们完成。
引导是我们所做的核心。
12:33
Curation is at the heart
of everything we do.
of everything we do.
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比起计算机算法，
我们更相信人们的推荐。
我们更相信人们的推荐。
12:35
We believe in human
recommendations over algorithms.
recommendations over algorithms.
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我可以花几天时间
来谈我对唱片挖掘的热情，
来谈我对唱片挖掘的热情，
12:40
I could talk about the passion
of record digging for days,
of record digging for days,
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12:44
but let me conclude this way.
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但是让我总结一下。
12:46
After many years of doing it,
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在从事这份事业那么多年后，
12:48
a record collector's collection
becomes sort of his autobiography.
becomes sort of his autobiography.
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一个唱片收藏家的收藏逐渐成为他的自传。
12:54
Last year, I was DJ-ing in Poland,
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去年，我正在波兰打DJ，
12:57
and the people that were hosting me,
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招待我的那些人
12:59
they had this amazing record collection,
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拥有惊人的唱片收藏，
这当然引起了我的兴趣，
13:01
and of course I was intrigued
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13:02
and I said, "Are you selling these?"
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我问他：“你们是在卖这些唱片吗？”
他们对我解释说
13:05
They then explained to me
that it was the collection
that it was the collection
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这些只是他们一个很好朋友的收藏品，
13:08
that belonged to their dear friend Maceo
who passed away a few months earlier.
who passed away a few months earlier.
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他的这个朋友几个月前去世了。
13:13
And they were doing a project
of inviting different people
of inviting different people
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他们计划邀请不同的人，
带走这些收藏，
并根据它们来创作新的唱片，
并根据它们来创作新的唱片，
13:17
to take the collection
and to create something new from it,
and to create something new from it,
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不管是用作样本还是DJ混音，
13:20
whether it's sampling or DJ mixes,
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13:22
you know, just to give it a second life.
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赋予它了第二次生命。
所以在我用几个小时浏览完这些收藏，
13:24
And so after a few hours
of going through the collection myself
of going through the collection myself
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13:27
and creating a DJ mix from it,
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并根据他们创作了一曲DJ混音之后，
13:30
even though I never
got the chance to meet him,
got the chance to meet him,
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即使我没有机会和这位收藏家见面。
我有了一种和特别的感受，
13:32
it felt like in a special way,
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13:35
me and him,
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我和他，
我们在一起花几小时来探讨唱片。
13:36
we got to talk
about records for a few hours.
about records for a few hours.
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所以，作为一个唱片挖掘工作者，
13:39
So, as record diggers,
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13:42
our work and our record
collections are there
collections are there
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我们的这份职业和我们的唱片收藏
13:45
to be passed on to the next generation.
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将会传给我们的下一代。
13:48
Beautiful art deserves to be cherished,
shared and rediscovered.
shared and rediscovered.
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美丽的艺术品值得被珍藏，
分享和被重新发现。
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Embrace curators;
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支持唱片导听员吧，
我们是主流音乐频道、
数字或其他渠道的另一选择。
数字或其他渠道的另一选择。
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we are alternative voices
to the mainstream music channels,
to the mainstream music channels,
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digital or otherwise.
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我们的音乐多的难以计算。
14:01
Go beyond the algorithm.
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无论你喜欢什么音乐，
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Whatever kind of music you like,
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有很多的音乐网站、
电台节目、DJ、唱片商店
电台节目、DJ、唱片商店
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there are so many websites,
radio shows, DJs, record stores out there
radio shows, DJs, record stores out there
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在等着和你们分享他们的发现。
14:09
that are just waiting
to share their discoveries with you.
to share their discoveries with you.
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我们的工作是为了服务大家。
14:12
We do this work for you.
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All you have to do
is open your ears and take risks.
is open your ears and take risks.
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你要做的只是花时间去听，
这些音乐将会改变你们的生活。
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This music will change your life.
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谢谢。
14:19
Thank you.
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（掌声）
14:20
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Alexis Charpentier - Record digger, DJ, music entrepreneurAlexis Charpentier (aka Lexis from Music Is My Sanctuary) believes record collectors, music curators and DJs serve a crucial role as cultural preservationists and alternative voices to mainstream music platforms.
Why you should listen
Alexis Charpentier is the founder of the Music Is My Sanctuary website and collective, one of the most respected and trusted voices in the independent music community.
He is also the creator and producer of 24 Hours of Vinyl, a project that celebrates the love of vinyl culture by gathering DJs and collectors from different cities worldwide. During a 24-hour music marathon, participants share some of the best music discoveries from their vinyl collections.
A music lover above all, Charpentier is passionate about projects that that champion musicians from the past and present, while creating alternatives to commercial platforms. Through thousands of content pieces, interviews, radio sessions and events, his projects connect music lovers in a more profound manner than what’s possible with algorithm-driven suggestions.
Based in Montreal, Canada, Charpentier runs the projects that fall under the Music Is My Sanctuary umbrella. He works as a music programmer at the PHI Center, a multidisciplinary arts and culture center. He also tours worldwide as a DJ and has regular club nights in his home city.
Alexis Charpentier | Speaker | TED.com