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Anjali Kumar: My failed mission to find God -- and what I found instead
安加利.库马尔: 我失败的寻找上帝之旅——以及我的其它发现
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安加利.库马尔出发寻找上帝，最终却发现了完全不同的东西。在这场让人振奋且有趣的关于我们共享的人性的演讲中。她带我们进行了一场精神之旅，我们拜访了纽约的巫婆，秘鲁的萨满教徒，巴西的信仰治愈者等。她分享了从中学到的重要一课：把我们联系在一起的东西比把我们分开的东西要强大得多，我们的差异不是不能克服的。
Anjali Kumar - General counsel, author, "idea acupuncturist"
Anjali Kumar is a Brooklyn-born, first-generation Indian American author, attorney, advisor, speaker and “idea acupuncturist.” Full bio
Anjali Kumar is a Brooklyn-born, first-generation Indian American author, attorney, advisor, speaker and “idea acupuncturist.” Full bio
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A few years ago,
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几年前，
我曾试着寻找上帝，
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I set out on a mission to find God.
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00:17
Now, I'm going to tell you
right up front that I failed,
right up front that I failed,
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我得先承认，我失败了。
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which, as a lawyer,
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身为一名律师，
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is a really hard thing for me to admit.
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我很难接受这个事实。
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But on that failed journey,
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但在这场失败的路途上，
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a lot of what I found was enlightening.
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我受到了很多启发
00:30
And one thing in particular
gave me a lot of hope.
gave me a lot of hope.
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尤其是有件事，让我重拾希望。
00:34
It has to do with the magnitude
and significance of our differences.
and significance of our differences.
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这与我们差异的大小和意义有关。
00:39
So, I was raised in America
by Indian parents -- culturally Hindu,
by Indian parents -- culturally Hindu,
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我在美国长大，父母是印度人，
我接受的是印度文化，
我接受的是印度文化，
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but practicing a strict and relatively
unknown religion outside of India
unknown religion outside of India
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但信仰一种非印度本土，严格、不那么出名的
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called Jainism.
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叫做耆那教的宗教。
00:49
To give you an idea
of just how minority that makes me:
of just how minority that makes me:
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告诉你们，我这个宗教是怎么一个少数派：
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people from India represent
roughly one percent of the US population;
roughly one percent of the US population;
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印度裔人大概占美国人口的1%；
00:57
Hindus, about 0.7 percent;
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印度教教徒，大约有0.7%；
01:00
Jains, at most .00046 percent.
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耆那教教徒最多只有0.00046%。
01:07
To put that in context:
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具体而言，
01:09
more people visit the Vermont
Teddy Bear Factory each year
Teddy Bear Factory each year
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每年参观泰迪熊佛蒙特工厂的人数
01:12
than are followers
of the Jain religion in America.
of the Jain religion in America.
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都比美国耆那教教徒还多。
01:15
To add to my minority mix,
my parents then decided,
my parents then decided,
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我的少数状况又再上一层楼，
因为我的父母决定：
因为我的父母决定：
01:18
"What a great idea!
Let's send her to Catholic school" --
Let's send her to Catholic school" --
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“真是好主意！那就把她送去天主教学校！”
01:21
(Laughter)
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（笑声)
01:22
where my sister and I
were the only non-white,
were the only non-white,
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在那所学校，只有我和我的妹妹是非白人，
非天主教徒的学生。
01:24
non-Catholic students
in the entire school.
in the entire school.
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01:27
At the Infant Jesus of Prague School
in Flossmoor, Illinois --
in Flossmoor, Illinois --
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在伊利诺斯州弗洛斯穆尔的布拉格少儿耶稣学校
是的，校名就是这样的——
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yes, that's really what it was called --
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01:34
we were taught to believe
that there is a single Supreme Being
that there is a single Supreme Being
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我们被教导要相信只有一位至高无上的神
他掌管着世间一切，
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who is responsible for everything,
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01:40
the whole shebang,
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所有一切。
从宇宙的创造到道德引导到永垂不朽。
01:41
from the creation of the Universe
to moral shepherding to eternal life.
to moral shepherding to eternal life.
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01:46
But at home,
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但在家中，
01:47
I was being taught something
entirely different.
entirely different.
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父母教给我完全不一样的东西。
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Followers of the Jain religion
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耆那教教徒
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don't believe in a single Supreme Being
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并不信奉有这样一位全能神
也不相信有一群神灵。
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or even a team of Supreme Beings.
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01:56
Instead, we're taught that God manifests
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在耆那教，我们被教导
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as the perfection of each of us
as individuals,
as individuals,
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我们每一个人都是上帝的完美化身，
02:01
and that we're actually
spending our entire lives
spending our entire lives
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而我们这一生所要做的
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striving to remove the bad karmas
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就是摒弃阻挡前进的恶业
02:06
that stand in the way of us
becoming our own godlike, perfect selves.
becoming our own godlike, perfect selves.
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成就自我的神性，完美的自我
02:11
On top of that, one of the core
principles of Jainism
principles of Jainism
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最重要的是，耆那教的核心教义是
“非绝对论”。
02:14
is something called "non-absolutism."
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Non-absolutists believe
that no single person
that no single person
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非绝对论者认为没有人
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can hold ownership or knowledge
of absolute truth,
of absolute truth,
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能够掌控所有绝对真理，
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even when it comes to religious beliefs.
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即便是在宗教信仰上也一样。
02:28
Good luck testing that concept out
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愿你可以找到一间天主学校
02:30
on the priests and nuns
in your Catholic school.
in your Catholic school.
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和那儿的神父和修女验证这个概念。
（笑声）
02:32
(Laughter)
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02:33
No wonder I was confused
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难怪我当时总感到困惑
02:35
and hyperaware of how different
I was from my peers.
I was from my peers.
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并对我与同龄人的不同非常敏感。
02:39
Cut to 20-something years later,
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二十多年后，
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and I found myself to be
a highly spiritual person,
a highly spiritual person,
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我发现自己是一个高度灵性的人，
但是我有种苦苦挣扎的感觉。
02:44
but I was floundering.
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02:46
I was spiritually homeless.
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我在精神上找不到归宿。
02:48
I came to learn that I was a "None,"
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我开始意识到我是个“无”，
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which isn't an acronym
or a clever play on words,
or a clever play on words,
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这并非某个缩略词或是诙谐的双关语，
02:54
nor is it one of these.
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也不是这些之一。
（注：修女nun,英语发音近似）
（注：修女nun,英语发音近似）
02:57
It's simply the painfully uninspired name
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这不过是个痛苦且平淡的词，
03:00
given to everyone
who checks off the box "none"
who checks off the box "none"
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当皮尤调查询问他们的宗教信仰时，
用来让人勾选“无”的选项。
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when Pew Research asks them
about their religious affiliation.
about their religious affiliation.
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03:07
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
03:08
Now, a couple of interesting
things about Nones are:
things about Nones are:
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关于无信仰者，有几个有趣的事情：
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there are a lot of us,
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其实有很多无信仰者，
年龄偏年轻。
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and we skew young.
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In 2014, there were over 56 million
religiously unaffiliated Nones
religiously unaffiliated Nones
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2014年，在美国有超过5600万人
属于无宗教信仰者。
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in the United States.
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And Nones account
for over one-third of adults
for over one-third of adults
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在18-33岁的成年人口中，
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between the ages of 18 to 33.
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无宗教信仰者占人口的1/3。
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But the most interesting thing
to me about Nones
to me about Nones
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但对我而言，无宗教信仰者最有趣的一点是
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is that we're often spiritual.
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我们往往很有灵性。
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In fact, 68 percent of us believe,
with some degree of certainty,
with some degree of certainty,
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事实上，68%的人相信，
在一定程度上相信
在一定程度上相信
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that there is a God.
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神的存在。
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We're just not sure who it is.
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我们只是不确定它是谁。
（笑声）
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(Laughter)
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03:45
So the first takeaway for me
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所以我获得的第一个启发是
当我意识我到作为无神论者，我发现
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when I realized I was a None
and had found that information out
and had found that information out
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03:51
was that I wasn't alone.
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我并不孤单。
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I was finally part of a group in America
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我终于成为美国群众的一员，
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that had a lot of members,
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有很多的同伴，
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which felt really reassuring.
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这感觉真让人安心。
03:59
But then the second,
not-so-reassuring takeaway
not-so-reassuring takeaway
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但我学到的第二点，
就不那么令人宽慰了
就不那么令人宽慰了
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was that, oh, man, there are a lot of us.
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哦，这么多人无宗教信仰。
04:04
That can't be good,
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这可不太好，
04:05
because if a lot of highly spiritual
people are currently godless,
people are currently godless,
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因为如果很多高灵性的人都是无神论者，
04:09
maybe finding God is not going to be
as easy as I had originally hoped.
as easy as I had originally hoped.
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也许寻找神并不像我起初希望的那么简单。
04:13
So that is when I decided
that on my spiritual journey,
that on my spiritual journey,
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所以那时，我下定决心，
在我的心灵之旅中
在我的心灵之旅中
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I was going to avoid the obvious places
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我要避开那些显而易见的地方
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and skip the big-box religions altogether
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跳过那些广为人知的宗教
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and instead venture out
into the spiritual fringe
into the spiritual fringe
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而是冒险进入灵性的边缘
去探索灵媒，
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of mediums
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信仰治疗师
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and faith healers
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04:28
and godmen.
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和神人。
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But remember, I'm a non-absolutist,
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记住，我是个非绝对论者，
这意味着我非常乐意保持开放的心态，
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which means I was pretty inclined
to keep a fairly open mind,
to keep a fairly open mind,
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which turned out to be a good thing,
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结果显示这是件好事，
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because I went to a witch's potluck dinner
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因为我去纽约市的LGBT多元中心参与了
（注：同性恋、双性恋和跨性别族群）
（注：同性恋、双性恋和跨性别族群）
女巫的百乐餐，
（每人自带一个菜的家庭聚会）
（每人自带一个菜的家庭聚会）
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at the LGBT Center in New York City,
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where I befriended two witches;
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在那我结交了两位女巫；
04:47
drank a five-gallon jerrican
full of volcanic water
full of volcanic water
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与秘鲁的萨满巫师喝了灌满5加仑
的火山水；
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with a shaman in Peru;
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got a hug from a saint
in the convention center --
in the convention center --
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在会议中心得到一个圣人的拥抱。
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she smelled really nice --
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她真的很香
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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chanted for hours in a smoke-filled,
heat-infused sweat lodge
heat-infused sweat lodge
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在墨西哥海滩边烟雾缭绕、
蒸汽腾腾的蒸汗屋中
蒸汽腾腾的蒸汗屋中
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on the beaches of Mexico;
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高颂圣歌好几个小时；
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worked with a tequila-drinking medium
to convene with the dead,
to convene with the dead,
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跟痛饮龙舌兰酒的灵媒一起召唤亡灵，
甚至包括我已过世的岳母
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who oddly included both
my deceased mother-in-law
my deceased mother-in-law
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和嘻哈组合“The Roots”的经纪人。
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and the deceased manager
of the hip-hop group The Roots.
of the hip-hop group The Roots.
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05:15
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
嗯，我岳母告诉我她很开心
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Yeah, my mother-in-law told me
she was really happy
she was really happy
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05:19
her son had chosen me for his wife.
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她儿子选择和我结婚。
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Duh! But --
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但......
（笑声）
05:22
(Laughter)
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05:24
Yeah.
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是的。
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But the manager of The Roots
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但The Roots的经纪人
说我也许应该减少吃意大利面的分量。
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said that maybe I should cut back
on all the pasta I was eating.
on all the pasta I was eating.
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I think we can all agree
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我想我们都会同意这点
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that it was lucky for my husband
that it wasn't his dead mother
that it wasn't his dead mother
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我的丈夫很幸运，他死去的母亲
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who suggested I lay off carbs.
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并没建议我减少碳水化合物。
05:37
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
05:38
I also joined a laughing yoga group
out of South Africa;
out of South Africa;
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我也加入过南非的一个大笑瑜伽组织；
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witnessed a woman have
a 45-minute orgasm --
a 45-minute orgasm --
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见到了一个高潮45分钟的女性
我没胡编乱造
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I am not making this up --
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as she tapped into
the energy of the universe --
the energy of the universe --
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当时她是在利用宇宙的能量
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I think I'm going to go back there --
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我想我会回到那里
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
05:57
called God from a phone booth
in the Nevada desert at Burning Man,
in the Nevada desert at Burning Man,
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火人节的时候
我在内华达州沙漠的电话亭里与上帝通话，
我在内华达州沙漠的电话亭里与上帝通话，
穿戴着紧身衣和滑雪镜；
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wearing a unitard and ski goggles;
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06:04
and I had an old Indian guy
lie on top of me,
lie on top of me,
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我还让一个老印度人躺在我上面，
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and no, he wasn't my husband.
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不，他不是我丈夫。
这个素昧平生的人叫帕拉吉，
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This was a perfect stranger named Paramji,
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他在吟通我的任督二脉
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and he was chanting into my chakras
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06:14
as he tapped into the energy forces
of the Universe to heal my "yoni,"
of the Universe to heal my "yoni,"
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借助宇宙的力量来治愈我的“Yoni”
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which is a Sanskrit word for "vagina."
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这是“阴道”的梵文词。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:23
I was going to have a slide here,
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我本打算在这里放张幻灯片，
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but a few people suggested
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但有人建议说
在TED里放映Yoni的幻灯片，即便是女性TED
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that a slide of my yoni
at TED -- even TEDWomen --
at TED -- even TEDWomen --
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也不是个好主意。
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not the best idea.
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06:32
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
06:34
Very early in my quest,
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在我探索之初，
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I also went to see the Brazilian
faith healer John of God
faith healer John of God
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我去见了巴西的信仰治疗师
约翰神仆，
约翰神仆，
在他巴西的院子里。
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at his compound down in Brazil.
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06:42
Now, John of God is considered
a full-trance medium,
a full-trance medium,
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现在，约翰神仆被视为完全入定的灵媒，
06:45
which basically means
he can talk to dead people.
he can talk to dead people.
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这意味着他可以跟死人对话。
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But in his case, he claims
to channel a very specific group
to channel a very specific group
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在他看来，他认为自己可以引导
一个特定的种群：
一个特定的种群：
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of dead saints and doctors
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死去圣徒和医生
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in order to heal
whatever's wrong with you.
whatever's wrong with you.
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来治愈各种病痛。
06:55
And although John of God does
not have a medical degree
not have a medical degree
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尽管约翰没有任何医学学位
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or even a high school diploma,
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甚至连高中文凭都没有，
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he actually performs surgery --
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他确实在做手术
07:04
the real kind, with a scalpel,
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真正的那种，要用解剖刀的，
07:06
but no anesthesia.
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但不打麻醉。
07:08
Yeah, I don't know.
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我也不清楚
他还提供无创的隐形手术
07:10
He also offers invisible surgery,
where there is no cutting,
where there is no cutting,
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和代孕手术。
07:13
and surrogate surgery,
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甚至可以通过对所爱的人执行手术来
07:14
where he supposedly can treat somebody
who is thousands of miles away
who is thousands of miles away
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07:18
by performing a procedure on a loved one.
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治疗千里之外的人
07:21
Now, when you go to visit John of God,
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现在，当你去拜访约翰，
会有各种条条框框。
07:23
there are all kinds
of rules and regulations.
of rules and regulations.
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是一整套非常复杂的东西，
07:25
It's a whole complicated thing,
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但至少你可以见到他
07:27
but the bottom line is that
you can visit John of God
you can visit John of God
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向他展示三件你想弥补的事，
07:30
and present him with three things
that you would like fixed,
that you would like fixed,
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他会让死去的圣徒和医生为你服务
07:33
and he will set the dead saints
and doctors to work on your behalf
and doctors to work on your behalf
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帮你实现心愿。
07:37
to get the job done.
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（笑声）
07:38
(Laughter)
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现在，在你们窃笑前，
07:39
Now, before you snicker,
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先想一下，
07:41
consider
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至少他的网站数据显示，
07:43
that, at least according to his website,
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超过800万的人，
07:45
over eight million people --
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07:47
including Oprah,
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包括奥普拉在内，
07:49
the Goddess of Daytime TV --
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就是那位日间电视的女主持
07:52
have gone to see John of God,
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都去见过约翰神仆
07:54
and I was pre-wired to keep an open mind.
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我天生就抱着开放的心态。
07:58
But to be honest, the whole thing for me
was kind of weird and inconclusive,
was kind of weird and inconclusive,
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但老实讲，我对这些仍感到
奇怪和无所适从，
奇怪和无所适从，
最终，我回家后，
08:01
and in the end, I flew home,
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08:03
even more confused
than I already started out.
than I already started out.
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甚至比出发时更困惑。
08:06
But that doesn't mean
I came home empty-handed.
I came home empty-handed.
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这并不意味着我回家时两手空空。
08:10
In the weeks leading up
to my trip to Brazil,
to my trip to Brazil,
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在我去巴西的前几周，
08:13
I mentioned my upcoming plans
to some friends
to some friends
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我跟几个朋友和Google的同事
08:15
and to a couple of colleagues at Google,
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说了我接下来的计划，
当时我是那里的律师。
08:17
where I was a lawyer at the time.
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08:20
And I might have mentioned it
to a couple more people
to a couple more people
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我可能还向更多的人提到了这些
因为我是个爱闲聊的人，
08:22
because I'm chatty,
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包括我的邻居，
08:23
including my neighbor,
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08:25
the guy who works at the local
coffee shop I go to each morning,
coffee shop I go to each morning,
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那个在我每天早上都去的咖啡店里的员工，
08:29
the checkout lady at Whole Foods
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全食超市的收银员，
08:31
and a stranger who sat
next to me on the subway.
next to me on the subway.
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以及在地铁上坐我旁边的陌生人。
08:34
I told each of them where I was going
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我告诉他们每一个人我打算去哪里
以及为什么，
08:36
and why,
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我告诉他们，我可以
带着他们的三个愿望去巴西，
带着他们的三个愿望去巴西，
08:38
and I offered to carry three wishes
of theirs down to Brazil,
of theirs down to Brazil,
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因为每个去见约翰的人
08:42
explaining that anyone going
to see John of God
to see John of God
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都可以作为其他的人代表，
08:45
could act as a proxy for others
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以减免众人的长途跋涉。
08:47
and save them the trip.
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08:49
And to my surprise, my in-box overflowed.
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让我惊讶的是，我的邮箱爆炸了。
08:53
Friends told friends who told friends,
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朋友们告诉了他们的朋友，
08:55
and those friends
apparently told more friends,
apparently told more friends,
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他们的朋友又告诉了更多的朋友、
陌生人、咖啡店里的其他人，
08:58
other strangers
and the guys at their coffee shops,
and the guys at their coffee shops,
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到我前往巴西的那天，
09:00
until it seemed that days
before I left for Brazil
before I left for Brazil
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09:02
that there was no one who did not
have my email address.
have my email address.
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似乎没人不知道我的电子邮箱地址。
09:06
And at the time, all I could conclude
was that I had offered too much
was that I had offered too much
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那个时候，我能得出的结论只有
我向太多人
我向太多人
允诺了太多事情。
09:11
to too many.
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09:13
But when I actually reread
those messages a few years later,
those messages a few years later,
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但当我几年后重新阅读这些信息时，
09:18
I noticed something completely different.
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我注意到一些完全不同的事情。
09:22
Those emails actually shared
three commonalities,
three commonalities,
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这些电子邮件其实有三个共同点，
09:26
the first of which was rather curious.
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第一点是相当奇怪的。
09:29
Almost everyone sent me meticulous details
about how they could be reached.
about how they could be reached.
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几乎每个人都向我详细地介绍了
他们的联系方式。
他们的联系方式。
09:35
I had told them,
or their friends had told them,
or their friends had told them,
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我告诉过他们，
或者他们的朋友告诉过他们，
或者他们的朋友告诉过他们，
除了三个他们想弥补的事情外，
09:38
that along with the list
of the three things they wanted fixed,
of the three things they wanted fixed,
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09:41
I needed their photo, their name
and their date of birth.
and their date of birth.
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我需要他们的照片，名字和出生日期。
09:45
But they gave me full addresses, with,
like, apartment numbers and zip codes,
like, apartment numbers and zip codes,
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但他们给了我完整的地址，
包括房间号和邮编，
包括房间号和邮编，
就好像是约翰神仆会造访他们
09:49
as if John of God was going
to stop by their house
to stop by their house
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亲自会见他们或者给他们寄快递似的。
09:52
and see them in person
or send along a package.
or send along a package.
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09:55
It was as if, in the highly unlikely event
that their wishes were granted
that their wishes were granted
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这就好像，如果他们的愿望会被约翰神仆实现
虽然不太可能，
09:59
by John of God,
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他们仍想确认这些愿望不会
10:00
they just wanted to make sure
that they weren't delivered
that they weren't delivered
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被送错对象或弄错地址。
10:03
to the wrong person or the wrong address.
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即便他们不相信，
10:05
Even if they didn't believe,
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他们也在两边下注。
10:07
they were hedging their bets.
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10:10
The second commonality
was just as curious,
was just as curious,
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第二个共同点也很奇怪，
10:14
but far more humbling.
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但更谦卑。
10:17
Virtually everyone --
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几乎所有人——
10:19
the stranger on the subway,
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地铁里的陌生人，
10:21
the guy at the coffee shop,
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咖啡店里的伙计，
10:23
the lawyer down the hall,
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走道另一头的律师，
10:25
the Jew, the atheist,
the Muslim, the devout Catholic --
the Muslim, the devout Catholic --
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犹太人，无神论者，穆斯林，虔诚的天主教徒——
10:28
all asked for essentially
the same three things.
the same three things.
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所有人都在追寻同样三件事。
10:33
OK, there were a couple of outliers,
and yes, a few people asked for cash.
and yes, a few people asked for cash.
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好吧，有几个例外，
有些人追求金钱。
有些人追求金钱。
10:36
But when I eliminated what were
ultimately a handful of anomalies,
ultimately a handful of anomalies,
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但是当我排除了一些反常要求后，
10:41
the similarities were staggering.
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相似度是惊人的。
10:45
Almost every single person
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几乎每个人
10:48
first asked for good health
for themselves and their families.
for themselves and their families.
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都祈求自己和家人身体健康。
10:54
Almost universally,
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几乎每个人，
10:56
they next asked for happiness
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都祈求幸福
10:58
and then love,
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然后是爱情。
11:01
in that order:
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顺序如下：
11:03
health, happiness, love.
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健康，幸福，爱情
11:07
Sometimes they asked for a specific
health issue to be fixed,
health issue to be fixed,
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有的人请求解决一个具体的健康问题，
但一般而言，他们只要求整体上的身体健康。
11:10
but more often than not, they just
asked for good health in general.
asked for good health in general.
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11:15
When it came to happiness,
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当涉及到幸福时，
11:17
they each phrased it slightly differently,
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他们的措辞略有不同，
11:20
but they all asked for the same
specific subtype of happiness, too --
specific subtype of happiness, too --
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但是他们都祈求同样的特定幸福类型，
11:26
the kind of happiness that sinks in
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这种幸福感渗入肌肤
11:28
and sets down roots in your soul;
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深入灵魂；
11:32
the kind of happiness
that could sustain us,
that could sustain us,
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那种即便我们失去所有其他东西，
11:35
even if we were to lose
absolutely everything else.
absolutely everything else.
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亦能支撑着我们的幸福。
11:40
And for love,
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至于爱情，
11:42
they all asked for the kind
of romantic love,
of romantic love,
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他们都追求浪漫的爱情，
那种我们在史诗浪漫小说中读到的灵魂伴侣，
11:45
the soul mate that we read about
in epic romantic novels,
in epic romantic novels,
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11:50
the kind of love that will stay with us
till the end of our days.
till the end of our days.
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那种天长地久永相伴的爱情。
11:55
Sorry, that's my husband.
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抱歉，那是我丈夫。
12:00
Crap! Now I forgot my place.
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天啦！我忘了我说到哪儿了。
12:02
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
12:05
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
12:14
So by and large,
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所以总的来说，
这些朋友和陌生人，
12:16
all of these friends and strangers,
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无论他们的背景，种族和宗教是什么，
12:18
regardless of their background,
race or religion,
race or religion,
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12:22
all asked for the same things,
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他们都追寻着同样的东西，
和我想要的东西是一样的，
12:24
and they were the same things
that I really wanted,
that I really wanted,
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就是那种人类的基本需求
12:27
the simplified version
of the basic human needs
of the basic human needs
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由马斯洛和曼弗雷德等社会科学家发现的需求。
12:30
identified by social scientists
like Abraham Maslow and Manfred Max-Neef.
like Abraham Maslow and Manfred Max-Neef.
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12:35
No one asked for answers
to the big existential questions
to the big existential questions
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没有人寻求重大存在问题的答案
或证明上帝的存在，
或是我想找的生命意义。
或是我想找的生命意义。
12:38
or for proof of God or the meaning of life
like I had set out to find.
like I had set out to find.
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12:42
They didn't even ask for an end
to war or global hunger.
to war or global hunger.
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甚至也没人要求结束战争或全球饥荒。
12:46
Even when they could have asked
for absolutely anything,
for absolutely anything,
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即便他们可以要求任何事情，
他们都祈求健康，幸福和爱情。
12:50
they all asked for health,
happiness and love.
happiness and love.
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12:55
So now those emails had
a third commonality as well.
a third commonality as well.
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这些电子邮件还有第三个共同点。
12:59
Each of them ended in the exact same way.
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每封邮件结束的方式都基本一样。
13:03
Instead of thanking me for carting
their wishes all the way to Brazil,
their wishes all the way to Brazil,
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不是感谢我把他们的愿望一路带到巴西，
13:08
everyone said,
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每个人都说，
13:11
"Please don't tell anyone."
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“请不要告诉别人”。
13:14
So I decided to tell everyone --
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所以我打算告诉每一个人。
（笑声）
13:16
(Laughter)
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就在这个舞台上，
13:18
right here on this stage,
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13:21
not because I'm untrustworthy,
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不是因为我不可信，
13:23
but because the fact
that we have so much in common
that we have so much in common
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而是因为这些非常相似的事实，
对我们大家而言尤其重要，尤其是现在，
13:27
feels especially important for us
all to hear, especially now,
all to hear, especially now,
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当下世界的很多问题
13:30
when so many of the world's problems
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看起来源于我们太关注于我们的不同之处，
13:32
seem to be because we keep focusing
on the things that make us different,
on the things that make us different,
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而不是我们的相同之处。
13:36
not on what binds us together.
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13:39
And look -- I am the first to admit
that I am not a statistician,
that I am not a statistician,
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还有，我首先要承认我不是统计学家，
13:44
and that the data I presented to you
that I just accumulated in my in-box
that I just accumulated in my in-box
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我给你们展示的数据是我在收件箱里发现的
是定性的，不是科学的和定量的。
13:48
is more anecdotal than scientific,
more qualitative than quantitative.
more qualitative than quantitative.
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13:54
It is, as anyone who works
with data would tell you,
with data would tell you,
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数据统计者会告诉你
这几乎不具有统计上的显著性
在人口样本上也不平衡。
在人口样本上也不平衡。
13:57
hardly a statistically significant
or demographically balanced sample.
or demographically balanced sample.
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尽管如此，每次回想起在生活中遇到
14:01
But nonetheless, I find myself
thinking about those emails
thinking about those emails
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偏见和歧视，
14:05
every time I reflect back
on the bias and prejudice
on the bias and prejudice
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或者又一起仇恨犯罪或无意义的悲剧发生时，
14:09
that I've faced in my life,
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14:11
or when there's another hate crime
or a senseless tragedy
or a senseless tragedy
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我们的分歧无法克服
而让人备感沮丧时。
14:14
that underscores the disheartening sense
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14:16
that our differences
might be insurmountable.
might be insurmountable.
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我发现我总会想起这些邮件，
14:21
I then remind myself that I have evidence
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我会提醒自己我有证据
14:23
that the humbling, unifying commonality
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我们的人性当中
让人谦卑且一致的共同性是
14:26
of our humanity
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即便我们拥有机会
14:27
is that, even when presented
with the opportunity
with the opportunity
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去追寻任何东西，
14:30
to ask for anything at all,
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我们大多数人想要的仍然是同样的东西，
14:32
most of us want the same things,
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这点是确切的，不管我们是谁，
14:34
and that this is true
no matter who we are,
no matter who we are,
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14:38
what name we call our god,
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我们的神叫什么，
14:40
or which religion, if any, we call home.
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我们是什么宗教，或者，
我们的归属是哪里。
我们的归属是哪里。
14:45
I then also note
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我还注意到
很明显，我们中的一些人非常想要这些东西
14:46
that apparently some of us
want these things so badly
want these things so badly
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14:50
that we would email a None,
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我们甚至会给“无神论者”发邮件，
14:53
a spiritually confused None like me --
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一个精神上的困惑者，像我这样的“无神论者”
一些人可能也有其他困惑——
14:56
some might say otherwise
confused as well --
confused as well --
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14:59
and that we would seek out this stranger
and email her our deepest wishes,
and email her our deepest wishes,
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我们会寻找这个陌生人
并向她传达我们最深的祝福，
并向她传达我们最深的祝福，
以防万一，万一这些愿望
15:04
just in case there is
the remote possibility
the remote possibility
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会被一个不是上帝的人实现，
15:07
that they might be granted
by someone who is not a god,
by someone who is not a god,
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可能不是我们的神，
15:11
much less our god,
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一个甚至不是我们所选择的宗教的成员，
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someone who is not even
a member of our chosen religion,
a member of our chosen religion,
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someone who, when you
look at him on paper,
look at him on paper,
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一个当你在报纸上看到时，
觉得似乎不太可能替你实现的人。
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seems like an unlikely
candidate to deliver.
candidate to deliver.
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And so now,
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所以现在，
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when I reflect back on my spiritual quest,
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当我回想起我的这段旅程，
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even though I did not find God,
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尽管我没有找到上帝，
15:35
I found a home in this:
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我在当中找到了家园。
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even today, in a world
fractured by religious,
fractured by religious,
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即使在今天，在一个被宗教，
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ethnic, political, philosophical,
and racial divides,
and racial divides,
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种族、政治、哲学和种族分离的世界里，
即使我们有明显的差异，
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even with all of our obvious differences,
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at the end of the day,
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到头来，
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and the most fundamental level,
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在最基本的层面，
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we are all the same.
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我们都是一样的。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Anjali Kumar - General counsel, author, "idea acupuncturist"Anjali Kumar is a Brooklyn-born, first-generation Indian American author, attorney, advisor, speaker and “idea acupuncturist.”
Why you should listen
Anjali Kumar is the Chief People Officer and General Counsel at Cheddar, author and "idea acupuncturist." She was formerly the Head of Social Innovation and Founding General Counsel at Warby Parker, a transformative lifestyle brand offering designer eyewear at affordable prices while leading the way for socially conscious businesses. Prior to joining Warby Parker, Kumar was Senior Counsel at Google where she was a commercial and product attorney on areas ranging from Google X to YouTube. She is an Adjunct Professor at Columbia Business School and Fordham University and serves as an advisor to prominent technology companies, luxury fashion brands, consumer products and non-profit organizations including Malala Fund, IDEO.org and organize.org. She serves on the Board of Directors of Happy Money, GloScience Professional, Amplifier Foundation, Edible Schoolyard NY, and GrowNYC and the Guggenheim museum’s Global Innovation Group. Anjali’s first book, Stalking God: My Unorthodox Search for Something to Believe In, comes out January 2018 via Seal Press.
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