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Jackson Bird: How to talk (and listen) to transgender people
Jackson Bird: Kako razgovarati s transrodnim osobama i čuti što vam govore
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Rod bi trebao biti nešto najmanje značajno kod osobe, ali zbog toga transrodne osobe još uvijek u dosta slučajeva bivaju neshvaćene. Kako bi pomogao onima koji su previše uplašeni ili nisu sigurni govore li pravu stvar, Jackson Bird dijeli s vama nekoliko načina razmišljanja o transrodnim problemima. Također, u ovom šaljivom i iskrenom govoru, on razjašnjava nekoliko krivih shvaćanja u vezi s rodom, preobrazbom u drugi spol, korištenjem javnim WC-ima i drugo.
Jackson Bird - Digital storyteller, activist
TED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience. Full bio
TED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience. Full bio
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00:12
Hi, I'm Jack,
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Bok svima, ja sam Jack
00:14
and I'm transgender.
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i ja sam transrodna osoba.
00:17
Let me take a guess at some of thoughts
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Pokušat ću pogoditi što bi vam moglo
00:19
that might be running
through your head right now.
through your head right now.
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prolaziti kroz glavu čim ste to čuli.
00:21
"Transgender?
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"Transrodna?
Čekaj, znači li to
da je zapravo muškarac ili žena?"
da je zapravo muškarac ili žena?"
00:22
Wait, does that mean that they're
actually a man or actually a woman?"
actually a man or actually a woman?"
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00:25
"I wonder if he's had the surgery yet ...
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"Hmm, pitam se je li već imao operaciju...
00:28
Oh, now I'm looking at his crotch.
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Ups, sad mu zurim u međunožje.
Gledaj udesno, sigurnije je.
00:30
Look to the right,
that's a safe place to look."
that's a safe place to look."
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"Ha! Znao sam! Muškarci
ne mogu imati takve bokove!"
ne mogu imati takve bokove!"
00:32
"Yes, I knew it!
No real man has hips like those."
No real man has hips like those."
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00:35
"My friend's daughter is transgender --
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"Kćerka moje prijateljice je transrodna,
00:36
I wonder if they know each other."
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možda se poznaju."
00:39
"Oh my gosh, he is so brave.
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"O moj Bože, pa on je tako hrabar.
00:41
I would totally support his right
to use the men's bathroom.
to use the men's bathroom.
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Potpuno podupirem njegovo pravo
da koristi muški WC.
da koristi muški WC.
00:44
Wait, but how does he use the bathroom?
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Čekaj, ali kako on obavlja nuždu?
00:46
How does he have sex?"
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Kako se seksa?"
00:48
OK, OK, let's stop
those hypothetical questions
those hypothetical questions
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Dobro, prestanimo s ovim
hipotetskim pitanjima
hipotetskim pitanjima
prije nego što postanu
previše intimna za mene.
previše intimna za mene.
00:51
before we get too close for my comfort.
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00:52
I mean, don't get me wrong,
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Nemojte me krivo shvatiti.
00:54
I did come here today to share
my personal experiences being transgender,
my personal experiences being transgender,
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Namjera mi je ovdje govoriti
o svojim transrodnim iskustvima,
o svojim transrodnim iskustvima,
00:57
but I did not wake up this morning
wanting to tell an entire audience
wanting to tell an entire audience
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ali to ne znači da sam se probudio
ujutro s namjerom da cijeloj publici
ujutro s namjerom da cijeloj publici
01:01
about my sex life.
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pričam o svom ljubavnom životu.
Naravno, to i jest problem
s transrodnim osobama, zar ne?
s transrodnim osobama, zar ne?
01:03
Of course, that's the problem
with being trans, right?
with being trans, right?
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01:06
People are pretty much always
wondering how we have sex
wondering how we have sex
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Ljude pogotovo uvijek
zanima kako se seksamo
zanima kako se seksamo
01:08
and what kind of equipment
we're working with below the belt.
we're working with below the belt.
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i čime raspolažemo u gaćama.
01:12
Being trans is awkward.
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Biti transrodan je čudno.
01:15
And not just because the gender
I was assigned at birth
I was assigned at birth
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Ne samo zato što rod
koji mi je određen pri rođenju
koji mi je određen pri rođenju
ne odgovara onom koji jesam.
01:17
mismatches the one I really am.
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01:19
Being trans is awkward
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Biti transrodan je čudno
01:20
because everyone else gets awkward
when they're around me.
when they're around me.
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jer svi ostali postanu čudni
kad sam s njima.
kad sam s njima.
01:24
People who support me and all other
trans people wholeheartedly
trans people wholeheartedly
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Ljudi koji podupiru mene
i transrodne osobe općenito,
i transrodne osobe općenito,
01:28
are often so scared to say to wrong thing,
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prečesto su preplašeni
da će reći nešto krivo,
da će reći nešto krivo,
01:30
so embarrassed to not know
what they think they should,
what they think they should,
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ili ih je sram što ne znaju
ono što misle da bi morali,
ono što misle da bi morali,
01:33
that they never ask.
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da nikad ni ne pitaju.
01:35
Part of what was so nerve-racking
about coming out as transgender
about coming out as transgender
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Ono što toliko kida živce
kad se izjasnite kao transrodna osoba
kad se izjasnite kao transrodna osoba
01:38
was knowing that people
wouldn't know what I meant.
wouldn't know what I meant.
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jest kad znate da ljudi neće shvatiti
što to podrazumijeva.
što to podrazumijeva.
01:42
And when someone comes out as gay,
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Kad se netko izjasni kao gay,
ljudi znaju što pod tim misli,
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people know what that means,
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01:45
but when you come out as trans,
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ali kad se netko izjasni transrodnim,
01:46
you have to face the misconceptions
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suočen je s krivim shvaćanjima
01:48
that will color other people's
impressions of you
impressions of you
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koja će odrediti dojmove
drugih ljudi o vama.
drugih ljudi o vama.
01:51
even after you've educated them ...
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Čak i nakon što ih malo
educirate o tome,
educirate o tome,
01:53
And you will have to educate them.
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a morat ćete svakako.
01:55
When I came out,
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Kad sam se izjasnio,
napisao sam enciklopedijski
dokument od 10 stranica
dokument od 10 stranica
01:56
I wrote at 10-page encyclopedic document
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01:58
with a zip-file attachment
of music and videos
of music and videos
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s datotekom u privitku,
punom pjesmama i videa
punom pjesmama i videa
02:01
that I sent to every
single person I came out to.
single person I came out to.
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i zatim to poslao svima
kojima sam se izjasnio.
kojima sam se izjasnio.
02:03
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:04
And I kept it in my email signature
for months afterwards,
for months afterwards,
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Držao sam to u potpisu svoje e-pošte
mjesecima nakon toga,
mjesecima nakon toga,
02:07
because you also
don't ever stop coming out.
don't ever stop coming out.
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jer izjašnjavanju, zapravo, nema kraja.
02:10
I came out to the accountant
helping me with my taxes
helping me with my taxes
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Izjasnio sam se računovođi
koji mi je pomagao s porezima
koji mi je pomagao s porezima
02:14
and the TSA agents who didn't know
which one of them should pat me down,
which one of them should pat me down,
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i djelatnicima sigurnosti u zračnoj luci
koji nisu znali tko će me pretresti,
koji nisu znali tko će me pretresti,
02:17
the man or the woman.
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muškarac ili žena.
02:19
I mean, I just came out
to everyone watching this.
to everyone watching this.
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Eto, sad sam se izjasnio
i svima vama ovdje.
i svima vama ovdje.
02:23
When I came out to my dad,
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Kad sam se izjasnio ocu,
02:25
to my great relief, he was totally cool
with me being trans,
with me being trans,
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odahnuo sam što me prihvatio
kao transrodnu osobu,
kao transrodnu osobu,
02:28
but as soon as I started talking
about physically transitioning,
about physically transitioning,
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ali čim sam počeo govoriti
o fizičkoj preobrazbi,
o fizičkoj preobrazbi,
02:31
he freaked.
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uplašio se.
02:32
And I quickly realized it was because he,
like so many other people,
like so many other people,
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Ubrzo sam shvatio da je to zbog toga
što on, kao i mnogo drugih ljudi,
što on, kao i mnogo drugih ljudi,
02:36
think that physical transition
means just one thing:
means just one thing:
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misli da fizička preobrazba
može značiti samo jednu stvar:
može značiti samo jednu stvar:
02:39
the surgery.
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operaciju.
02:41
Now, listen,
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Dakle,
02:42
if there were one magical surgery
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kad bi postojao magični zahvat
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that could turn me into a tall, muscular,
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koji bi me pretvorio u sliku
visokog, mišićavog,
visokog, mišićavog,
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societally perfect image
of a man overnight,
of a man overnight,
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društveno prihvatljivog,
savršenog muškarca preko noći,
savršenog muškarca preko noći,
02:50
I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
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smjesta bih pristao na to.
02:52
Unfortunately, it isn't that simple.
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Nažalost, nije to tako jednostavno.
02:54
There are dozens of different
gender-affirming surgeries
gender-affirming surgeries
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Postoji niz operacija za promjenu spola,
02:57
from chest surgeries to bottom surgeries
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od operacija poprsja do promjene spola,
03:00
to facial feminization and man-sculpting.
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pa sve do konstrukcije
ženstvenosti ili muškosti u licu.
ženstvenosti ili muškosti u licu.
03:03
Many trans people will only ever undergo
one procedure in their lifetime, if that.
one procedure in their lifetime, if that.
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Mnoge transrodne osobe podvrgnut će se
jednoj operaciji u svom životu, ako i to.
jednoj operaciji u svom životu, ako i to.
03:07
Maybe because they don't
personally feel the need
personally feel the need
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Možda zato što ne osjećaju potrebu,
03:10
but also because they're expensive,
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a u isto vrijeme su i poprilično skupe.
03:12
and health insurance
is only beginning to cover them.
is only beginning to cover them.
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Zdravstveno osiguranje ih tek
od nedavno počinje pokrivati.
od nedavno počinje pokrivati.
03:15
Instead, the first step for a trans person
seeking physical transition
seeking physical transition
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Umjesto toga, prvi korak
u fizičkoj preobrazbi transrodne osobe
u fizičkoj preobrazbi transrodne osobe
03:19
is usually hormone replacement therapy.
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obično je hormonska nadomjesna terapija.
03:22
Hormones are why I have a deeper voice
and some sparse whiskers on my neck
and some sparse whiskers on my neck
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Hormoni su razlog mom dubljem glasu,
nekoliko dlačica na vratu
nekoliko dlačica na vratu
03:26
and a giant pimple on my chin.
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i prištu na bradi.
03:29
Basically, they put you
through a second puberty ...
through a second puberty ...
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U biti, prolazite kroz drugi pubertet.
03:32
it's a blast.
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Baš je divno.
03:33
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
03:34
Now, because our transitions
are slower and steadier
are slower and steadier
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Budući su naše preobrazbe
sporije i postojanije
sporije i postojanije
03:38
than historic misconceptions
can lead people to believe,
can lead people to believe,
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nego na što vas navode
povijesno kriva shvaćanja,
povijesno kriva shvaćanja,
03:40
there can be some confusion
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može doći do zbunjenosti
03:42
about when to call someone
by their new name and pronouns.
by their new name and pronouns.
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kod obraćanja transrodnim osobama
njihovim novim imenom i rodom.
njihovim novim imenom i rodom.
03:45
There's no distinct point
in physical transition
in physical transition
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Ne postoji neka prekretnica u preobrazbi
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at which a trans person
becomes their true gender.
becomes their true gender.
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kada transrodna osoba postane svoj rod.
03:51
As soon as they tell you
their new name and pronouns,
their new name and pronouns,
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Čim vam kažu svoje novo ime i rod,
tada ih počnete upotrebljavati.
03:53
that's when you start using them.
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03:55
It can be difficult to make the change.
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Znam da je teško priviknuti se.
03:57
You might slip up here and there;
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Možete tu i tamo pogriješiti,
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I've slipped up myself
with other trans people.
with other trans people.
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i meni se desilo
s drugim trasrodnim osobama.
s drugim trasrodnim osobama.
04:01
But I always think to myself,
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Ali uvijek si mislim,
04:03
if we can change from calling
Puff Daddy to P. Diddy,
Puff Daddy to P. Diddy,
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ako možemo prijeći
od zvanja Puff Daddyja na P. Diddyja
od zvanja Puff Daddyja na P. Diddyja
04:06
and if we apologize profusely
when we've used the wrong gender pronoun
when we've used the wrong gender pronoun
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te ako se previše ispričavamo
što smo upotrijebili krivi rod
što smo upotrijebili krivi rod
04:10
for someone's pet cat --
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za nečiju mačku,
04:13
I mean, I think we can make
the same effort
the same effort
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onda se možemo potruditi isto učiniti
04:15
for the real humans in our lives.
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i za osobe u našim životima.
04:17
Now, there is no topic that makes other
people more awkward about trans people
people more awkward about trans people
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E sad, tema koja kod ljudi izaziva najviše
neugode u vezi s transrodnim osobama
neugode u vezi s transrodnim osobama
04:22
than public bathrooms.
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su javni WC-i.
04:25
Ah, the bathrooms --
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Ajme, ti WC-i...
04:26
the latest political flash point
for LGBT opponents.
for LGBT opponents.
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najnovija točka erupcije
za protivnike LGBT zajednice.
za protivnike LGBT zajednice.
04:29
Here's a fun fact about bathrooms:
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Jedna zanimljiva činjenica o tim WC-ima:
04:31
more US congressmen have been convicted
of assaulting someone in a public bathroom
of assaulting someone in a public bathroom
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više je kongresnika SAD-a osuđeno
za zlostavljanje nekog u javnom WC-u
za zlostavljanje nekog u javnom WC-u
04:35
than trans people have been.
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nego transrodnih osoba.
04:37
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
04:39
The truth is we trans people are so much
more scared of you than you are of us.
more scared of you than you are of us.
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Stvarnost je da se mi transrodni
više bojimo vas nego vi nas.
više bojimo vas nego vi nas.
04:43
It's a huge point of discussion
in trans communities
in trans communities
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Velika točka rasprave
u transrodnim zajednicama
u transrodnim zajednicama
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about which bathroom
to start using and when,
to start using and when,
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je upravo koji WC
početi koristiti i od kada,
početi koristiti i od kada,
04:48
so we don't attract attention
that could lead to violence against us.
that could lead to violence against us.
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tako da ne privlačimo pozornost
koja bi mogla navući nasilje protiv nas.
koja bi mogla navući nasilje protiv nas.
04:51
I personally started using the men's room
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Osobno sam počeo koristiti muški WC
04:53
when I started getting confused
and frightened looks in the women's room,
and frightened looks in the women's room,
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kada sam počeo dobivati poglede straha
i zbunjenosti od žena u ženskom WC-u.
i zbunjenosti od žena u ženskom WC-u.
04:58
even though I was petrified
to start going into the men's room.
to start going into the men's room.
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Iako sam bio prestravljen
odlaskom u muški WC.
odlaskom u muški WC.
Često se jednostavno odlučimo
strpiti i ne ići na WC uopće.
strpiti i ne ići na WC uopće.
05:01
And often we opt to just
not go to the bathroom at all.
not go to the bathroom at all.
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05:03
A 2015 national survey of trans people
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Državna anketa iz 2015.
među transrodnim osobama
među transrodnim osobama
05:06
found that eight percent of us
had had a urinary tract infection
had had a urinary tract infection
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otkrila je da je 8% nas imalo
infekciju urinarnog trakta
infekciju urinarnog trakta
05:09
in the past year
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tijekom godine,
05:10
as a result of avoiding restrooms.
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zbog izbjegavanja javnih WC-a.
05:13
These bathroom bills
aren't protecting anyone.
aren't protecting anyone.
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Ovi zakoni o javnim WC-ima ne štite nikog.
05:16
All they're doing
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Sve što oni čine
05:17
is ensuring that when trans people
are assaulted in bathrooms,
are assaulted in bathrooms,
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je da osiguraju da, kad transrodne
osobe budu napadnute u WC-ima,
osobe budu napadnute u WC-ima,
05:21
the law will no longer be on our side
when we report it.
when we report it.
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zakon više ne bude na našoj strani
kada prijavimo napad.
kada prijavimo napad.
05:25
Being trans means a daily onslaught
of these misconceptions.
of these misconceptions.
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Biti transrodna osoba znači svakodnevno
suočavanje s navalom krivih shvaćanja.
suočavanje s navalom krivih shvaćanja.
05:31
And I have it pretty easy.
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A meni je još i dobro.
05:33
I am a white, able-bodied guy
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Bijel sam i sposoban momak
05:35
sitting nearly at the peak
of privilege mountain.
of privilege mountain.
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pa sjedim na samom vrhu
planine privilegiranih.
planine privilegiranih.
05:39
For non-binary people,
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Za nebinarne osobe,
05:41
for trans women,
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za transrodne žene,
05:43
for trans people of color,
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za transrodne ljude drugih rasa,
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it is so much harder.
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mnogo je teže.
Dakle, dao sam vam osnovni paket
znanja o transrodnim osobama,
znanja o transrodnim osobama,
05:48
So I've given you a starter pack
of trans knowledge
of trans knowledge
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05:51
that I hope will lead
to more learning on your own.
to more learning on your own.
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za koji se nadam da će vas potaknuti
da dalje istražujete sami.
da dalje istražujete sami.
05:55
Talk to trans people.
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Razgovarajte s transrodnim osobama.
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Listen to us.
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Slušajte nas.
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Amplify our voices.
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Pojačajte naše glasove.
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Take the heat off of us
and educate those around you
and educate those around you
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Smanjite paljbu protiv nas
i educirajte one oko vas,
i educirajte one oko vas,
tako da to ne moramo mi svaki put.
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so we don't have to every time.
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Maybe someday, when I say,
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Možda će jednog dana, kad kažem:
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"Hi, I'm Jack, and I'm transgender,"
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"Bok, ja sam Jack, i ja sam transrodan",
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the only response I'll get is,
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jedini odgovor biti:
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"Hi, nice to meet you."
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"Bok, drago mi je".
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Thank you.
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Hvala vam na pozornosti.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jackson Bird - Digital storyteller, activistTED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience.
Why you should listen
After publicly coming out as transgender in 2015, Jackson Bird has been committed to amplifying the voices of transgender people and breaking down the stigma attached to their experiences. He shares the stories of fellow transgender people on his podcast, Transmission, as well as on his ongoing YouTube series, "Queerstory."
Bird is also known for his work with the Harry Potter Alliance (HPA), a nonprofit that activates online fan communities towards social action. A 2017 TED Resident and 2016 YouTube NextUp Creator, Bird was also a 2015 LogoTV Social Trailblazer nominee and hailed by MTV as a "Social Media Warrior Who Helped Restore Our Faith in 2016."
Jackson is currently a Craig Newmark Organizer-In-Residence at Civic Hall and runs the monthly LGBTQIA+ Creators Group at YouTube Space NY. He currently lives in New York City.
Jackson Bird | Speaker | TED.com