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Jackson Bird: How to talk (and listen) to transgender people
傑克森柏德: 如何和變性人交談（及傾聽他們）
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一個人的性別應該是他身上最不引人著目的特徵才對，但變性人仍然太常被誤解。為了協助太害怕而不敢問問題，或是擔心會說錯話的人，傑克森柏德分享了幾種思考變性議題的方式。在這場有趣、直白的演說中，他澄清了一些錯誤的觀念，包括代名詞性別、轉變和廁所等等。
Jackson Bird - Digital storyteller, activist
TED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience. Full bio
TED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience. Full bio
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00:12
Hi, I'm Jack,
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嗨，我是傑克，
00:14
and I'm transgender.
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我是變性人。
00:17
Let me take a guess at some of thoughts
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讓我猜猜現在在座各位
00:19
that might be running
through your head right now.
through your head right now.
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腦中可能會有什麼想法。
00:21
"Transgender?
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「變性？
00:22
Wait, does that mean that they're
actually a man or actually a woman?"
actually a man or actually a woman?"
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等等，那麼他們到底
是男人還是女人？」
是男人還是女人？」
00:25
"I wonder if he's had the surgery yet ...
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「我很納悶他動手術了沒……
00:28
Oh, now I'm looking at his crotch.
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喔，我正盯著他的胯下。
00:30
Look to the right,
that's a safe place to look."
that's a safe place to look."
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向右看，看那邊是安全的。」
「我就知道！真男人
不會有那種臀部的。」
不會有那種臀部的。」
00:32
"Yes, I knew it!
No real man has hips like those."
No real man has hips like those."
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00:35
"My friend's daughter is transgender --
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「我朋友的女兒是變性人──
00:36
I wonder if they know each other."
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不知道他們彼此是否認識。」
00:39
"Oh my gosh, he is so brave.
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「喔，老天，他好勇敢。
00:41
I would totally support his right
to use the men's bathroom.
to use the men's bathroom.
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我完全支持他使用男廁的權力。
00:44
Wait, but how does he use the bathroom?
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等等，他要如何上廁所？
00:46
How does he have sex?"
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他要如何做愛？」
00:48
OK, OK, let's stop
those hypothetical questions
those hypothetical questions
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好了，好了，在我
開始感到不舒服之前
開始感到不舒服之前
00:51
before we get too close for my comfort.
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就停止這些假設性問題吧。
00:52
I mean, don't get me wrong,
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別誤會我，
00:54
I did come here today to share
my personal experiences being transgender,
my personal experiences being transgender,
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我今天來到這裡分享我
身為變性人的個人經驗，
身為變性人的個人經驗，
00:57
but I did not wake up this morning
wanting to tell an entire audience
wanting to tell an entire audience
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但我並不是今天起床
就想要告訴所有觀眾
就想要告訴所有觀眾
01:01
about my sex life.
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我的性生活。
01:03
Of course, that's the problem
with being trans, right?
with being trans, right?
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當然，那是身為變性人的問題，對吧？
01:06
People are pretty much always
wondering how we have sex
wondering how we have sex
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人們幾乎都會好奇我們如何做愛，
01:08
and what kind of equipment
we're working with below the belt.
we're working with below the belt.
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以及在腰帶下我們用的是什麼器材。
01:12
Being trans is awkward.
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身為變性人是很尷尬的。
01:15
And not just because the gender
I was assigned at birth
I was assigned at birth
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並不只是因為我出生時分配到的性別
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mismatches the one I really am.
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和我真正的性別不匹配。
01:19
Being trans is awkward
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身為變性人很尷尬，
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because everyone else gets awkward
when they're around me.
when they're around me.
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因為其他所有人
在我身邊時都會感到尷尬。
在我身邊時都會感到尷尬。
01:24
People who support me and all other
trans people wholeheartedly
trans people wholeheartedly
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全心全意支持我以及其他變性人的人
01:28
are often so scared to say to wrong thing,
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通常都非常害怕會說錯話，
窘於對於他們自認
應該知道的事一無所知，
應該知道的事一無所知，
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so embarrassed to not know
what they think they should,
what they think they should,
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01:33
that they never ask.
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導致他們從來不問。
01:35
Part of what was so nerve-racking
about coming out as transgender
about coming out as transgender
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以變性人身份出櫃的煩惱之一，
01:38
was knowing that people
wouldn't know what I meant.
wouldn't know what I meant.
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就是知道人們不懂我的意思。
當有人以同性戀身份出櫃時，
01:42
And when someone comes out as gay,
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人們知道那是什麼意思。
01:43
people know what that means,
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01:45
but when you come out as trans,
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但當你以變性人身份出櫃，
01:46
you have to face the misconceptions
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你得要面對錯誤觀念，
01:48
that will color other people's
impressions of you
impressions of you
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那些觀念會影響其他人對你的印象，
01:51
even after you've educated them ...
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即使在你教育他們之後也一樣，
01:53
And you will have to educate them.
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而你將會需要教育他們。
01:55
When I came out,
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當我出櫃時，
01:56
I wrote at 10-page encyclopedic document
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我寫了十頁的百科全書式文件，
01:58
with a zip-file attachment
of music and videos
of music and videos
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附上一個壓縮檔，內有音樂和影片，
02:01
that I sent to every
single person I came out to.
single person I came out to.
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我會寄給每個我出櫃的對象。
02:03
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:04
And I kept it in my email signature
for months afterwards,
for months afterwards,
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我之後還把它留在我的
郵件簽名檔中好幾個月，
郵件簽名檔中好幾個月，
02:07
because you also
don't ever stop coming out.
don't ever stop coming out.
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因為你也永遠不會停止出櫃。
02:10
I came out to the accountant
helping me with my taxes
helping me with my taxes
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我對一位幫我處理稅務的會計出櫃，
02:14
and the TSA agents who didn't know
which one of them should pat me down,
which one of them should pat me down,
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也對運輸安全管理局職員出櫃，
因為他們不知道該派男人
或女人來替我搜身。
或女人來替我搜身。
02:17
the man or the woman.
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02:19
I mean, I just came out
to everyone watching this.
to everyone watching this.
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我剛剛也對所有
看這場演說的人出櫃了。
看這場演說的人出櫃了。
02:23
When I came out to my dad,
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當我向我爸爸出櫃時，
02:25
to my great relief, he was totally cool
with me being trans,
with me being trans,
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我鬆了一口氣，
他完全能夠冷靜接受，
他完全能夠冷靜接受，
02:28
but as soon as I started talking
about physically transitioning,
about physically transitioning,
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但當我開始談到身體上的轉變時，
02:31
he freaked.
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他就失控了。
02:32
And I quickly realized it was because he,
like so many other people,
like so many other people,
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我很快就了解到，原因是
他和許多其他人一樣，
他和許多其他人一樣，
02:36
think that physical transition
means just one thing:
means just one thing:
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認為身體轉變就只意味著一件事：
02:39
the surgery.
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手術。
02:41
Now, listen,
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聽著，
02:42
if there were one magical surgery
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如果有一種神奇手術
02:44
that could turn me into a tall, muscular,
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可以一夜之間就把我變成
高大健壯有著完美社會形象的男人，
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societally perfect image
of a man overnight,
of a man overnight,
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02:50
I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
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我一定馬上報名去做。
02:52
Unfortunately, it isn't that simple.
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不幸的是，沒那麼簡單。
02:54
There are dozens of different
gender-affirming surgeries
gender-affirming surgeries
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有許多不同的性別確認手術，
02:57
from chest surgeries to bottom surgeries
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從胸部的手術到下面的手術，
03:00
to facial feminization and man-sculpting.
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到面部女性化以及男性雕塑。
03:03
Many trans people will only ever undergo
one procedure in their lifetime, if that.
one procedure in their lifetime, if that.
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如果進行手術，許多變性人
一生只會進行一次手術，
一生只會進行一次手術，
03:07
Maybe because they don't
personally feel the need
personally feel the need
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也許是他們個人不覺得有必要，
03:10
but also because they're expensive,
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但也因為手術很貴，
03:12
and health insurance
is only beginning to cover them.
is only beginning to cover them.
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健康保險才剛開始給付這些手術。
03:15
Instead, the first step for a trans person
seeking physical transition
seeking physical transition
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取而代之，變性人
尋求轉變身體的第一步
尋求轉變身體的第一步
03:19
is usually hormone replacement therapy.
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通常是荷爾蒙療法。
03:22
Hormones are why I have a deeper voice
and some sparse whiskers on my neck
and some sparse whiskers on my neck
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賀爾蒙造成我的聲音低沈、
脖子上有些許鬍鬚，
脖子上有些許鬍鬚，
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and a giant pimple on my chin.
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以及下巴上有個大丘疹。
03:29
Basically, they put you
through a second puberty ...
through a second puberty ...
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基本上，賀爾蒙會讓你
經過第二次青春期，
經過第二次青春期，
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it's a blast.
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很好玩。
03:33
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:34
Now, because our transitions
are slower and steadier
are slower and steadier
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因為比起過去人們誤解的錯誤觀念，
03:38
than historic misconceptions
can lead people to believe,
can lead people to believe,
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我們的轉變較慢且較穩定，
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there can be some confusion
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可能會造成困惑，
03:42
about when to call someone
by their new name and pronouns.
by their new name and pronouns.
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不知何時要叫變性人新的名字
或改掉性別代名詞。
或改掉性別代名詞。
03:45
There's no distinct point
in physical transition
in physical transition
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身體轉變並沒有明確的區別點，
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at which a trans person
becomes their true gender.
becomes their true gender.
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不是過了某個點就變成真正的性別。
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As soon as they tell you
their new name and pronouns,
their new name and pronouns,
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當變性人把他們的新名字
和代名詞性別告訴你，
和代名詞性別告訴你，
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that's when you start using them.
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那就是該改用的時候了。
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It can be difficult to make the change.
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要改變可能很困難。
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You might slip up here and there;
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你可能一不小心就會弄錯；
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I've slipped up myself
with other trans people.
with other trans people.
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我自己就把其他變性人弄錯過。
04:01
But I always think to myself,
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但我自己常想，
04:03
if we can change from calling
Puff Daddy to P. Diddy,
Puff Daddy to P. Diddy,
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如果我們能把吹牛老爹
（Puff Daddy）改稱為 P. Diddy，
（Puff Daddy）改稱為 P. Diddy，
04:06
and if we apologize profusely
when we've used the wrong gender pronoun
when we've used the wrong gender pronoun
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如果我們因為對某人的寵物小貓
再三用錯代名詞性別而道歉，
04:10
for someone's pet cat --
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04:13
I mean, I think we can make
the same effort
the same effort
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我們應該可以為
我們生命中的人做同樣的努力。
我們生命中的人做同樣的努力。
04:15
for the real humans in our lives.
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04:17
Now, there is no topic that makes other
people more awkward about trans people
people more awkward about trans people
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對其他人來說，
面對變性人時最尷尬的話題，
04:22
than public bathrooms.
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就是公共廁所了。
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Ah, the bathrooms --
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啊，廁所──
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the latest political flash point
for LGBT opponents.
for LGBT opponents.
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LGBT 對手的最新的政治爆發點。
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Here's a fun fact about bathrooms:
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關於廁所，有個小趣聞：
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more US congressmen have been convicted
of assaulting someone in a public bathroom
of assaulting someone in a public bathroom
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因為在公共廁所裡攻擊別人
而被判有罪的美國國會議員人數
而被判有罪的美國國會議員人數
04:35
than trans people have been.
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還比變性人的更多。
04:37
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
04:39
The truth is we trans people are so much
more scared of you than you are of us.
more scared of you than you are of us.
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真相是，雖然你們怕我們變性人，
我們卻更怕你們。
我們卻更怕你們。
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It's a huge point of discussion
in trans communities
in trans communities
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在變性人社群中，一個很大的討論點
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about which bathroom
to start using and when,
to start using and when,
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就是開始用哪個廁所、何時開始，
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so we don't attract attention
that could lead to violence against us.
that could lead to violence against us.
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才不會引起注意，
造成對我們的暴力行為。
造成對我們的暴力行為。
04:51
I personally started using the men's room
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我自己開始使用男廁
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when I started getting confused
and frightened looks in the women's room,
and frightened looks in the women's room,
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是我開始在女廁遇到人們
對我出現困惑及害怕的神情時，
對我出現困惑及害怕的神情時，
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even though I was petrified
to start going into the men's room.
to start going into the men's room.
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即使我開始去男廁時也感到很害怕。
05:01
And often we opt to just
not go to the bathroom at all.
not go to the bathroom at all.
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通常我們會選擇完全不要上廁所。
05:03
A 2015 national survey of trans people
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2015 年有一項關於變性人的調查，
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found that eight percent of us
had had a urinary tract infection
had had a urinary tract infection
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發現過去一年間，
8% 的變性人有尿道感染，
05:09
in the past year
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05:10
as a result of avoiding restrooms.
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這是避開廁所的結果。
05:13
These bathroom bills
aren't protecting anyone.
aren't protecting anyone.
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這些廁所法案並沒有保護到人，
05:16
All they're doing
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它們所做的，
05:17
is ensuring that when trans people
are assaulted in bathrooms,
are assaulted in bathrooms,
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只是確保變性人在廁所會受到攻擊，
05:21
the law will no longer be on our side
when we report it.
when we report it.
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當我們告發時，
法律不會站在我們這一邊。
法律不會站在我們這一邊。
05:25
Being trans means a daily onslaught
of these misconceptions.
of these misconceptions.
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身為變性人，意味著每天會
受到這些錯誤觀念的猛攻。
受到這些錯誤觀念的猛攻。
05:31
And I have it pretty easy.
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我的狀況算輕微。
05:33
I am a white, able-bodied guy
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我是體格健全的白人，
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sitting nearly at the peak
of privilege mountain.
of privilege mountain.
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坐在接近特權山山峰的位置。
對於非二元的人、
（註：是男性也是女性）
（註：是男性也是女性）
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For non-binary people,
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05:41
for trans women,
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變性女性、
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for trans people of color,
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有色變性人而言，
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it is so much harder.
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就辛苦很多。
我今天給各位的，
是關於變性人的初學者知識，
是關於變性人的初學者知識，
05:48
So I've given you a starter pack
of trans knowledge
of trans knowledge
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05:51
that I hope will lead
to more learning on your own.
to more learning on your own.
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希望能讓各位能自己去了解更多。
05:55
Talk to trans people.
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和變性人說話。
05:57
Listen to us.
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傾聽我們。
05:59
Amplify our voices.
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將我們的聲音放大。
拿掉我們所受的壓力，
教育你們身邊的人，
教育你們身邊的人，
06:01
Take the heat off of us
and educate those around you
and educate those around you
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06:04
so we don't have to every time.
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才不用由我們時時刻刻去做。
06:06
Maybe someday, when I say,
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也許有一天，當我說：
06:09
"Hi, I'm Jack, and I'm transgender,"
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「嗨，我是傑克，我是變性人。」
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the only response I'll get is,
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我會得到的唯一反應就是
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"Hi, nice to meet you."
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「嗨，很高興認識你。」
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Thank you.
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謝謝。
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(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jackson Bird - Digital storyteller, activistTED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience.
Why you should listen
After publicly coming out as transgender in 2015, Jackson Bird has been committed to amplifying the voices of transgender people and breaking down the stigma attached to their experiences. He shares the stories of fellow transgender people on his podcast, Transmission, as well as on his ongoing YouTube series, "Queerstory."
Bird is also known for his work with the Harry Potter Alliance (HPA), a nonprofit that activates online fan communities towards social action. A 2017 TED Resident and 2016 YouTube NextUp Creator, Bird was also a 2015 LogoTV Social Trailblazer nominee and hailed by MTV as a "Social Media Warrior Who Helped Restore Our Faith in 2016."
Jackson is currently a Craig Newmark Organizer-In-Residence at Civic Hall and runs the monthly LGBTQIA+ Creators Group at YouTube Space NY. He currently lives in New York City.
Jackson Bird | Speaker | TED.com